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Edited by lockon0830 on Nov 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM

nah, i dunno what happend on that one

dont jump down my throat here because this is just an example, but its kind of like the crusades. if you dont agree with my religious view, then i kill you. i mean this is obviously way less extreme, but thats how iv always felt about the situation. i understand that we have no legal rights to anything we make, but i also feel an obligation to the creator of a map to respect their wishes and not rip from their map if its protected.

can somebody answer: why is it so difficult to ask the tag creators for the tags?

You see this map here, yeah? Well it proves the point that protection is needed...

Why?
Well, the guy has downloaded a load of tags other people have made and banged them in a default map... I have seen no credits saying who made what, all I see is H3MT Bloodgulch by sphinxbio.

Well, for one the map looks like crap, seeming as it is just a load of contents stuck in the same map, no BSP upgrades or anything either :/

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The reason I support protection:

• Fail maps like this.
  
• There will be no maps with unique content...
  
• Why not make people learn something in their life and learn how to do it there selves?
  
• Why should someone new to the community instantly have access to the top tags? It will make them think they can get anything and won't learn...
  
• The creator of the tags has spent a lot of time making them, so why not respect their wishes for the tags to be in their maps alone.
  

And yeah, ripping causes drama, so stop being biatches and ripping (stealing/taking without permission). The people who spent their time finding a way how to rip from the maps could of learnt something "usefull", I doubt an employee will give 2 shizens if you can steal from a protected map from one game.

Dratt, you are just one of those people who are to ignorant to understand other peoples wishes and to respect people. You might of noticed, but I strongly despise you :) Biatch.

Oh, and all the questions in this post are Rhetorical for those of you who do not notice :/ So I doubt I will reply unless someone starts being a complete ass.

*Note the above post is based of personal opinions, and partly fact.
Edited by anonymous_2009 on Nov 29, 2009 at 09:21 AM

Your post was very good; good enough for me to read seventy-five percent of it despite it being too damn long.

/thread.

Responses in bold.
Edited by CLS_GRUNT on Nov 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Just because i pick a side in this, does not make me ignorant toward the other side's opinions.
It simply means i disagree.

If you cant protect your stuff well enough, then you should expect it to be ripped and used by others.

The single reason for protection is to make tags exclusive to maps/teams.
Dont try to convince me that its to protect your portfolio, thats a lie.
If you are really stupid enough to upload anything that you wish to use in a portfolio, into a video game that others can rip from, then you are doing it wrong.

ohh maniac <3

People still don't get it! You can't own these things. You are playing with someone else’s toys.

Maybe this analogy will make it sink in. Making tags and maps is like going to the park and playing in the sandbox. You can spend hours building a four story sand castle but you can’t take it with you and unless you are physically there you can’t keep others from playing with it. Once you have gone home (analogy for uploaded it to the internet) you can’t stop people from playing with it, making changes to it or wiping it clean.

this thread needs to get locked /thread

pure poetry


besides,what does it matter what the tags look like or who they're made by,I've been told by xel numorous times when I need help with a map and my debug exposes the fact I use ripped tags that "ripped tags don't make your map cool" and I fully knew this since the day I started modding,but what does make a map cool,is the gameplay,you guys (most of you) wouldn't give a rat's ass if a map had cmt content in it if it was extremely fun to play, so seriously, quit flaming each other just because one person released an unsuccsessful map that just happens to contain ripped content.

quit trying to build a forcefield over your sandcastles and get over it!

had to say something on the subject b4 lock.
Edited by Delicon20 on Nov 29, 2009 at 01:42 PM

You know, there is a simple solution.
OPEN SOURCE

hey i think this map would be cool. all maps here are cool. so what he has CMT tags. SPV2 has it. so I'm guessing your not gonna play that cause there a certain tag set now are you? Seriously guys there just tags its not gonna kill you if some one uses them. any ways there not even yours once they pass through tool all content belongs to M$ Bungie and Gearbox. so stop complain your not bleeding are you or damaged in any way? no. so stop crying and deal with the truth. you just made it. so lets get this fight over with here and now.

JEEZ why does'nt Dennis lock this thread, is it ammusing for us to fight?

lol yeah Dennis is probally laughing at this thread.

Just let it die and, we will all be happy :]

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Not even if we use a scarab gun?

Wow Dennis must really be ammused with all this thread going around that's why he does'nt lock it until we act mature enough to understand what he's saying...

Or maybe, you know, he's offline?

Adding on to my post above^

I kind of think of this way. People who want to rip from protected maps think it's wrong to protect right?
Well, two wrongs don't make a right. In other words, even if it is wrong to protect maps, forcing your way in, taking them (without asking) and using them (without credit) and even releasing them online for others download, is definately wrong. No matter which way you think of it, and you know it's wrong too. Maybe not legally wrong, but morally wrong. And no matter what you say to justify it, it's still morally wrong and if you really want tags, you can just ask. I've been asked for protected tags a couple times, and I've given the tags out each and every time, except for one time because I actually didn't have the tags anymore.

tl;dr. ask first, then if no, respect creator's wishes and back off.

E:
don't think I'm all pro-protection either, I'll be the first to say you can learn a ton from ripping tags, but there's also something to be said for learning it for yourself. I know when I started, I wanted to rip that flame hog from Immure2 SO BAD. SO BAD. But I didn't. And eventually I started to create my own warthog variants and then got into tagging and all that stuff, etc etc. And I learned how to do it MYSELF. All by myself. And there's something to be said for that.
Edited by UnevenElefant5 on Nov 29, 2009 at 05:09 PM

I'm waiting for Christmas. You're waiting for Christmas. We're all waiting for CHRISTMAS.

um, wrong thread Dwood? don't know why that is in this thread.....

seriously... I don't understand what keeps you guys here arguing... like ik you guys are young, but do you know how many girls are out there???? or guys since you guys are gay???? I mean for the love of love, go make some love and receive some, instead of hating on the hated for being hated. Please.

...I'm 13........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos

so much flamin

I am 13, but that was stinking HILARIOUS!

You can't open source something you don't own. The concept is simple. You can't own anything such as tags or maps you make for or from the Halo Game becasue Microsoft and Bungie hold the Intellectual Propery rights (copyrights) to it Therefore you can't open source it because you can't own it. These are not your toys (the halo game) you are just allowed to play with them.

Elefant fails three post's late xD http://youfail.org/

You're ten posts late.

Your mom is ten posts late...

OMFG LMFAO ROFL

I said "above" not "directly above"
I was fully aware that there were posts in between mine.
Derp.

THIS TOPIC FAILZ :smug: