I think I shall plan to do that in time.

Isint that just turning it into a Beaver Creek on its side.

not really, I was thinking a wide river (not to deep though)

If it runs through the middle it will flood bloogulch lol. I'm gonna try to make the terrain equal to the river so I can give it a nice flow.

could you put a bridge in as well?

I was thinking about that but, I don't know where to get a bridge.

hmmmm, what about a light bridge from like a30, but smaller?

Possibly I can do that. Just need a tutorial for making a bridge shorter.

What about plastering it with gay pornography? It would be admired by the people who make bloodgulch mods, because they all just love gay pornography.
Edited by gruntfromhalo on Nov 28, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Hmm indeed.

Eh? I see. If that stuff in the chatbox really pissed you off, you aren't really the administrator type. You can't let that stuff get to you. Ah well, you banned me from the chatbox so I'm actually glad the site died now (lolfag).

It's not his.. That's why

No, but we can still respond to your comment, no?

He's explaining why your statement is true.

no, he's explaining why people are flaming him.

Damn someone lock this thread already o just let it die...

All I can say is wow. I can honestly say that I have not seen this kind of abhorrent behavior in many, many years. I would take the time top point out just how noxious most of the posts were but it wouldn’t matter because those who made them are so far gone with their heads and up their own behinds they wouldn’t be able to hear.

I weep for your parents. Either contribute positively to the thread or don’t post. Troll or post negatively at your own peril.

Dennis, although I don't agree with how the users have been posting, they are telling the truth.

The Halo CE Community does not like people who use "ripped" tags, end of story.

Did you ever look at this map? All it is, is a Bloodgulch mod with ripped tags from HCERippers site (which is now closed)

Now, I am not flaming him in anyway possible, I just stated what the map is. Many people frown on this because maps like these take at the most 5 minutes to do.

Simple Layout for this:

1. Obtain Ripped Tags.
2. Use a default map as your scenario.
3. Place tags on map.
4. ???
5. Profit!!!

No one from any Halo CE community appreciate people using ripped tags and/or default bsps, except other rippers.

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Dennis, aunque no estoy de acuerdo con la forma en que los usuarios han estado enviando mensajes, están diciendo la verdad.

La Comunidad CE Halo no le gusta la gente que utiliza "rasgado" tags, fin de la historia.

¿Alguna vez mira este mapa? Todo lo que es, es un mod Bloodgulch con las etiquetas arrancadas de sitio HCERippers (que está cerrado)

Ahora, no me llamas lo posible, de todos modos, me acaba de decir lo que el mapa es. Mucha gente con buenos ojos porque estos mapas como tener en la mayoría de los 5 minutos para hacerlo.

Diseño simple para ello:

1. Obtener Etiquetas Ripped.
2. Usar un mapa por defecto como su escenario.
3. Colocar etiquetas en el mapa.
4. ???
5. Sin fines de lucro!

Nadie de la comunidad de cualquier CE Halo apreciar a las personas mediante etiquetas rotos y / o PCB por defecto, excepto rippers otros.

Although BloodGulch is a famous map we don't like people using ripped tags because it just upsets the people that created the tags for you using them without there permission just bugs us and, them dude.



Aunque BloodGulch es un famoso mapa que no nos gusta la gente que usa etiquetas arrancó porque sólo molesta a la gente que crea las etiquetas por usted utilizando sin permiso no sólo los errores de nosotros y, a dude.

Gee when people describe your actions you get offended. Maybe there is hope for you. Now if you would only see how offensive your actions are you might not commit them.
What you don’t know is more often than not what gets you in trouble.

that is incorrect more than ten times over.

I know full well how people think about ripped tags. I also know that the people who get upset about ripped tags have a erroneous understanding of the situation.

It doesn't matter if it's your style or not, because you will not get far in life if you only speak what's on your mind.

I agree with Xel.
Edited by PVT Jenkins on Nov 28, 2009 at 09:11 PM

Dennis, its not the issue of people thinking ripped tags are bad because it's not made by them, its by a moral factor.

Not trying to argue with you, it's just that some people believe ripping tags is immoral.

Of course, when it is absolutely necessary (Like the beginning of Halo CE, HEK, and Hek Plus) then its generally accepted as a moral thing.

The only thing you have here to whine and moan about, is the fact that he is not giving credit to the actual makers of the tags and assets he has placed in his map.

Anything and everything else is not of your concern. Dennis decides what to host, not you, and if he wants to be fair and allow everyone the same rights on this website and not promote superiority, then damn it he can and will do so. There's no arguments to be had.

I don't see ripping tags wrong, it's good for everyone to share just like there mum's have always told them. However, I do find it wrong when people rip tags, use it in there map, and do not give credit where due.. Even if it isn't legally owned by the mapper themselves, they still put there own hard work into making there very tags they wanted to create. And if they did not release it publicly to the community, the person who's ripping the tag should ask the creator for permission to use there creation.

This community has been broken up into 2 major group's when it comes to Protection nowadays. There's the older modder's who have been here longer, which in the most part seem to go towards my view or just complete protection, and then theres the newer modders who are all for ripping becuase well; thats what they think. I'm not someone who's like them so I don't have a view from there side. Some of the older modders go along side the newer people as well, they all have there own views.

But yeah, there's my 50 cents of information.
Edited by Higuy on Nov 28, 2009 at 08:46 PM

I can state comfortably and unequivocally that I in fact have a complete and full idea and understanding based on experience you have yet to have.
Our morality and our laws are closely intertwined be it from the state or religious; they are nearly inseparable. Your understanding and argument of the situation is based strictly on your feelings which disregard the actual fact of the situation. Our laws are there to prevent people from acting on feelings.

There is a single simple underlying fact to the issue of ownership of “ripped” or otherwise tags. They are not yours to determine how people can/cannot use them. Period. Only Bungie/Microsoft has the right to make that determination. Once you fully and completely understand the implications of that singular fact then all this nonsense over tags is pointless. You can’t own them you can only possess them. Without ownership you cannot force your wishes for them onto others. Since you can’t force your wishes you are left with either not making them or acceptance of the fact that they can be used in ways you may not wish. Berating people about how they are used is pointless and “noxious” because you have no mechanism to force your will on them.

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I often forget this nuance when discussing this issue because I take it for granted that people should always give credit and or recognition for the work of others they used; that is just good manners. However I rarely expect people of a certain age to act with good manners and although find it bothersome don’t get upset over it.

Edited by Dennis on Nov 28, 2009 at 09:06 PM

Wait when did this become a topic about religion? I don't understand why we all just can't get along...

True. This topic was like World War 2 a few hours ago xD

This is why it can sometimes be so tiresome having intelligent discussions about complex and misunderstood issues.

Read your own post:
This is the argument you gave for your actions. You infer with this statement that it is a socially acceptable moral imperative to berate people for using ripped tags. Since morality is tied to law and law is interwoven with religious tenants it required a full explanation to show that your actions are not morally motivated but strictly about your feelings.

and this is why dennis is right. f you cant even understand what hes saying then how can you carry out an intellectual conversation? (note how i didnt use the word argument)

youre talking about morals being associated with tag ripping. dennis is saying whether your morals are rooted in laws or religion or both, morals and laws coincide within each other.

you FEEL that its wrong to rip tags, and that is why LAWS exist. you can clearly see people's ideas of right and wrong differ just by the different stances we have here on map protection. laws exist so we are all on the same level when it comes to what is right and wrong. that is what dennis is saying.

You guys as I said before need to leave this game if you support protection. NOTHING you freaking make will make you become famous. You are helping a 7 year old video game for the computer. You're not making money off it of in ANY way so why keep it from everyone else?

If you don't like yours tags being used, then go to another game. Only problem is you will find that no other game has this kind of behavior to assets of the game. Grow up.

Do you HONESTLY think that if you make a level that someone will call you and ask you to join their company?

If you answered yes to that question you have a lot to learn.

This is the reason I left this game - that and the fact that the community is made up of 99% jackesses, even the RPG Maker and Gamemaker communities are more civil.

I don't see why mapping teams are as selfish as individuals themselves.

The main reason I believe for protection is for exclusive content.

I think regardless of whether it's right or wrong to protect tags, it's not ok to rip from them just because you don't agree with the creators views. It may be wrong to protect tags, but it's definately wrong to force your way in and take the tags without so much as politely asking first or even giving credit after. Regardless of who the tags belong to, it's just common courtesy that you respect the creator's wishes.

To close this, if your gonna rip or use someone elses stuff, Give credit(we went over this for a page) and talk about using it to the team.(if they say no dont if they say sure, use it) the end?