You mean having the pilot controlling the rockets and adding the rear gunner seat, or having the copilot control rockets and keeping the nose gun?
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Edited by CrossFade on May 10, 2009 at 09:13 PM

re: object_attach lag, that's because the joining client-side's vehicles are unnamed. The client's script has no handle on them, only the server's. Any vehicles the client's script can control are forced to spawn, and are local only, not synch'd

yeah youve got it right, the part about the starting weapon
as for the pelican weapons, let the driver control the rocket, and have the gunner use the gun.

You could use a mounted AI weapon on a vehicle if it has no aiming. It would fire when an enemy is directly in it's line of fire (even while unoccupied :p), and so it would 'synch' in multiplayer. Even homing rockets would synch, as well as the needler's needles synch, which I've never heard any complaints about, so there's that option too. Just do whatever Bungie did with the covie drop ship's mounted gun, but make it's aim fixed forward.

its because bipeds sync.

Like on CMT's pelican. I like that idea a lot.

Nose gun or rear gun? I think if the pilot has forward weapond and a gunner has rear weapons, it would work ok.

My vote is this.

Pilot has rockets, and rear gunner seat has a powerful chaingun.

have the gunner sit in a seat in the back with the gun he spawned with

CrossFade, are you making or modding a map with the improved Pelican ?

My peeves with the Pelican is:
1 - No Rear Gunner
2 - Lack of speed (maybe make the Ctrl button give the Pelican a speed and height boost but with a 8 second cool down time in which turbo boost cannot be used - or Ctrl has a count down timer, after 5 or so seconds - turbo boost)

if you dotn give the rear turret no collision then people can shoot trough the turret
i think you should stick with the copilot idea that controls the rockets and a turret at the front

Sorry, but no. I really want to do it myself, but my computer is crap, and a couple of the programs neccesary for modding/map making do not work on it. I'm stuck submitting ideas :(

So we'll have to go with donut's idea.

Hey donut, mind if I quote your first post about the rear gunner idea for the first page?

I also wanted to throw this out there. Make it so that 1 rocket doesn't kill everybody, except the Pilot and Co-Pilot, this way its more "realistic". Because that crap gets annoying on hugeass.

Is that possible? Because shooting a vehicle does damage to everyone in a vehicle, unless an individual player is hit and not the vehicle, which would no be the case because the rocket would hit the pelican, not the pilot/copilot.

you should be able to do that

if you shoot the pelican in coldsnap with the big sniper you only kill the pilot adn not the other people

Isnt that something to do with the sniper rifle though, and not the pelican?

no, its the hierarchy of the seats and how damage is distributed.

The driver and passengers are supposed to take damage to make it balanced.

only anti-vehicle weapons should work. Destroying a pelican with a pistol isn't really balanced

no

damage effect impact material modifiers

Yeah but then you change its damage for everything using that material.

so change the materials that things use. i dont think iv ever seen metal, metal thin, or metal thick used differently. they always all have the same effect attached to them

yeah

To balance the Pelican you should remove the guns and make it vulnerable to AA weapons like the Rocket Launcher. Or a sniper at least, I mean sniping someone out of a Pelican is hard!

And it'd be cool to have a door like the ones on Halo 3 that you can open and close to protect the troops inside.

this
seriously, how does a vehicle like the pelican not have a door by default? its not like it was a balance issue

Well, since it was Halo CE, there was no need for a door since you just get dropped off into battle. And you werent in space. In the novels, it said they had a cargo bay door, when they were evacuating the pelicans from the POA during crash flight.

right, thats what i was referring to. how the pelicans were in space. but also just the way it is in halo 1. flying at those ridiculous angles with the back wide open. how easy would it be for somebody to fall out? they dont even wear seatbelts lol
e: i understand its a game, but i have this OCD thing where something like that in a game makes me really uncomfortable
Edited by Donut on May 16, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Just make sure you never ride anything called a pelican :P

I like this guy. He's got good attention to detail

A suspension animation could animate the door to open when it touches down. Just put the masspoint where it wont bump into other stuff.

What do you mean?

But if someone dropped out of it, the door wouldn't contain them, at least not while the Pelican was moving, because you can't stay inside a vehicle while it's moving and not be in a seat. :\

Like bobby said, the door can be part of the suspension animations. Its the same thing that makes the wheels come down on the pelican like in Coldsnap or Hugeass.

Wow, lots of new stuff. It seems we've figured out the gunner seat problem, and are now adding a door to the rear lol. I'll update the first page with all the new ideas and crap.

This would be nice :D