After hearing an endless number of complaints about the pelican in hugeass and other maps, I thought: let's fix it. As it is, the pelican is horribly unsuited for gameplay. It has a huge number of homing rockets that kill everything in front of it, and everything on any other side kills the pelican because it's too slow. Also, the pilot has complete control of all weapons unless there is a copilot, in which case there is a massive amount of lag. So I think someone should redesign the pelican to make it usable in multiplayer. A Tactical Pelican, if you will. Here are my thoughts:

1. Change the rocket pods so that they fire about 1 launch (2 rockets) every 1.5 - 2 seconds. And make it semi automatic (like the plasma pistol) so you can't just hold the mouse down.

2. Increase the speed of the pelican.

3. Give complete control of the nose gun and rockets to the copilot, eliminating copilot lag and making a copilot neccesary. Similar to the way a warthog has a driver's seat and a gunner's seat.

5. Drop the nose gun and add a rear chaingun like the pelican in coldsnap has, but don't give the gun collisions. This will make it easier to get into the pelican.

6. Add a rear door, like the H3 pelican has, and make it open when the pelican touches down, like the wheels do in Hugeass, condsnap, etc.

I think that with these few simple modifications, the pelican could be an extremely valuable asset in any large multiplayer map. I think it would have to be at least the size of the Halo 3 map Sandtrap though, perhaps a little bigger. Any smaller and it wouldn't work out. I'm sorry to say that none of the programs needed to make mods or maps in Halo CE work on my computer, so I won't be able to do it myself. If anyone else wants to, awesome. If not, that's disappointing, but there's nothing I can do about it. I welcome any suggestions, or comments about how retarded my Idea is and how stupid I am. Thanks for at least reading this.

And wow, lots of edits lol
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lol

It could work I suppose but the rockets would have to be cut down quite a bit. And I'm not sure there would be anyone here that would actually do it. Oh, and your idea is retarded and you're incredibly stupid.

RED: That wont be possible unless you want the nose chain gun and the rear one to fire at the same time, both controlled by the copilot.
Edited by _TheArbiter_ on May 4, 2009 at 06:05 PM

Oh, and your pretty nice yourself.

I would agree, the Pelican should be better made for gameplay. It never has been that great in any of the Hugeass/Coldsnap maps.

make the nose gun controlled by an AI gunner.

Don't do the rear chain gun it makes it hard to get into the peli.

dont have it in the collision.

Or make the pilot and copilot seats enter from the outside.

Anyways, instead of rockets reloading, it fires continuously, but at a low rate of fire.

or there are no rockets, making it risky to land in an unsecured zone, making it important for your team to clear the area before they receive more reinforcements via the pelican.

It's not possible for a vehicle to have two gunner seats?

Oh, and this
I think was a joke. Because I said that in my first post.



@Advancebo: How low of a rate of fire do you think? It would have to be fairly slow otherwise it would be "whored" just like the longsword is now.

@headhunter: I like the idea of not giving the rear gun a collision model.

Thanks for the feedback though guys, I wasn't exactly expecting a positive response from this many people.
Edited by CrossFade on May 4, 2009 at 06:46 PM

Really, the only useful thing for a Pelican is rapid assault.

HEV pods anybody?

Or rapid reinforcements, which is why increasing the speed and adding a gun to the rear would help a lot. It's a dropship, not a fighter.

I agree. Make the rate of fire about 1 launch (2 rockets) every 1.5 - 2 seconds. And make it semi automatic so you can't just hold the mouse down. Giving rocket control to the copilot would also be a good idea.

All of it sounds great. I'll update my first post with the new ideas.

if you made the gunner seat a seperate vehicle and sctipted it on, you can have more than one seat. and it might sync, the pelican pickup script does (to an extent).

It would be easier just to make the nose gun rotate 360 degrees. That way, it would be sure to sync, and you could still fire behind you.

But then you have to attach and detach to make it sync, and you would see it bouncing around, making it harder to aim.

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Edited by Dennis on May 8, 2009 at 05:14 PM

Thats simple to do. all you have to do is make a trigger volume cover the whole map, and then script it with the pelican pickup tool and thats it =\

Then it will pickup every vehicle scripted to be picked up :\

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Edited by Dennis on May 8, 2009 at 05:14 PM

I think we should just stick with the landing pads, 1 at each base on a map, but make it so that any ground vehicle can be picked up.

But anyway, has anyone decided they actually want to do this when we get the idea finished?

I believe I can tag it, but I dont want to.

Then stop wasting space on my thread.

haha, I found this response mildely entertaining, seeing as how there is no limited space to waste.

Actually, I'd be glad to take it up, but someone else will have to do the modeling.

lol I know, i just wanted to say that. Glad someone wants to work on ith though. As far as modeling goes, you wouldn't really need to change the appearance, except for adding the rear gun, but I don't think that's possible with the copilot seat already being a gunner seat.

So: should we add a rear gunner seat and drop the nose gun and rely on rockets for forward defense, or just keep the nose gun and make it swivel?

keep the front chaingun.
Also, I made an attempt at this, however the rockets don't reload, just low ROF.

Make several small "landing pads" all throughout the map. In sort of an invisible grid covering the ground.

As for multiple turrets not working,
I recall the pelican in hugeass has a "sniper seat" right where the rear gunner would stand. Only certain guns could be used in that seat (sniper obviously). So make a pickupable chaingun, and make it so that it's the only operable weapon in the rear seat.

If the ROF is low enough, I don't think it should have to reload.

You would still have the problem of running out of ammo. And for it to be an effective gunner replacement, it would have to be fairly powerful, which would make people (for lack of a better term) "whore" it.

Plus, I had a thought. We would need a copilot seat to control the rockets too, not just the chaingun, so if we wanted to put a rear gunner seat in, we would need to give control of the rockets to the pilot. What do you guys think?

wait, why wouldn't using object_attach work?

The way I look at it, you just attach another vehicle to the back, which has a swivel turret. Then you won't have to keep attach and detaching, just attach once and there, you've got a chaingun attached

Wouldn't it lag though?

im going to try to do the color thing again, so bear with me
weapons dont have to use up ammo when they shoot. there is a setting for the "number of rounds expended to produce a single firing effect"
what was suggested before was that you make use of animation labels. make it so people spawn with the weapon in question (turret), but the animation for crouch, stand, moving, and anything other than the pelican "gunner" seat does not have the label for the weapon in it.


i like this idea

why?