Right. I'll make sure from this point onward. Thanks once again. Now it's time to get to this modeling business......

I must admit. Ive wanted a Unprotector so I could get H3T's splazer for some private maps. But I didn't try to. Because tags that are protected are protected for a reason. So that people cant steal them.

If I ever want tags like H3T's splazer. Id ask.

Yeah, this time I got too excited, I felt rushed, and I acted of the spur of the moment instead of being patient. I didn't feel like I could ask because of the answer I would get. Well, I have already asked Dennis to lock and delete this horrible thread of shame.

I'm gonna keep my mouth shut.

That was interesting. Only one person seemed to come close to understanding the issue fully and every reference to my past statements were completely misunderstood and contorted to fit both sides of the issue. I see that the actual facts have been completely ignored.

Make of it what you will but the fact remains that once a map/tag or any user created content is released to the public you no longer have control over its use. There is no legal mechanism to stop anyone from doing anything to or with it. This is just a fact you all have to live with.

This is not say that it is correct to claim someone’s content as your own, or that you are obligated to give over your work to everyone for them to use. All it means is what it is. People arguing both sides just seem to want to ignore the fact.

Yup that was interesting.

all of my mods have more strings than a gitaur.
Hey i actually made a map. Pluto Real. and i still took bacons jackhammer XD

who called it? I said exactly how this topic was going to go. The only thing I was wrong about was the fact that I have actually revisited this thread.

so what about maps with scripts that interact with specific tags to make them work.... ripping them then using them in maps without the script might cause an exception in the map, or the simple fact that some tags just arnt stable

I think if the map has such an established and recognizable scripting, like that of the orginal Halo in another mod, then people with immediately know whos' it is. However, I would never plagiarize, it is one of the things I am against the most, but it is the fact of curiosity "what would my map be like if it had this." And for the count, I quit trying and desiring to rip CMT and other protected content within the first few posts, about where I said I have a few new ideas to simulate the Ma5k. Now, however, I am going to model my own. =)

And Iron is right, which I knew would happen, but by the time I got back to post it became too full of implying "I hate you"s and "go die"s. I was too concerned with other matters at the time to actually post that I was done with trying and wanting to rip CMT and other protected content. Since I didn't post tha before I left, it turned things very ugly.
Edited by DarkHalo003 on May 10, 2008 at 05:47 PM

Ok, I think I finally will post in a map pretection thread. What I think is that, if the map is pretected, don't try to rip from it! Even if it isn't, I would use a ripped tag without asking. But, I always have seemed to think about this map prection a little different. I seem to have something against using other people's items. I have only used a couple of items that I didn't not make in my maps, and I always give credit if the maps are put up. I would even give credit or ask premission if the maps arn't pretected. One day, I thought about how cool it would be to be able to rip from pretected maps. I accually figured it out (yes, in about 2 hours). Then, I thought for a little, and deleted even the tag i used to see if my method worked. I also have never ripped anything pretected again.
To every one talking about Halo CE dieng.... Well, it's not exactly dieng. It does seem to have less people playing at 6:00 in the morning, but there never was that many. People still play. They just seem to play mainly only a few servers. The Coldsnap 24/7 servers are very popular, as well as the CMT_snow_grove ban free server. They also don't seem to like the maps that map makers prefere. The people tend to not care to much about overpowered weapons and such, plus they crave custom content. For an example, I will use my map Christmas Halo. That map was accually popular for about a week. People liked playing with the custom content. Now on to the technicle stuff about it. People liked it even though it had really bad modelling. They liked it even if, when I timed it, it took twice as long to walk then to drive (which makes warthog driver get an unfair advantage).
Now to give a lecture on some ways to solve arguements. I know the un-pretectors agrue that they would learn with the ripped tags. The way map makers could satisfy these aruments is upload tags (like a spartan lazer or something else hard to re-create), just nto include any effects or a model, to force the downloader to do the work that makes it unique by themselves, while getting the information required for learning in a downloadable tag. Some people argue that they can't make the models themselves because they somehow wont ever get enough talent to ever make something as good. Well, back in the beggining of summer in '07, I could only create a box in gmax. Now, I can create a plane-modeled level with fair modeled cliffs, ground, and bases. I also can create a gun model good enough to satisfy players who arnt playing the map just to test my modelling talent. If you blame your lack of talent on gmax... Well max only really gives fetures that are usfull for people who have been modeling for 5+ months. And if you think people who pretect maps are selfish, you spend 2-3 months or more on a project and see if you think it's selfish to open source it. The way to avoid that is to realise tags when your finished with them
fianlly to attempt to make all the paragraphs related to map pretection. Since most of the rip-addicts are mainly at the player mind-set (likes custom tags a lot more than any defaults), the maps they make might reflect that. Back when I was like that, I even would have liked a plain box as long as it had a cool custom tag. So, that plain box overloaded with custom stuff might come to be a reality (too late, there about 20 of them already). But not all rippers are like that. Some probably use the last agruement (think people who pretect maps are selfish), that really depends on the person who is pretecting (just to let people know, very few (if any) accually are that selfish). They might be not open-sourcing because they arn't finished using that tag, and they might open source it when they are done using it.

Sorry if this post was too long to read/comprehend. and ARG! The first time I posted this it got some error! Luckuly I copied it into notepad before I pressed the post button :)

Well, my opinion on protected maps is sort of both sides. I only think people should use tags if they give full credit to the person who made the tag. However, if they don't do neither,then that is just stupidand unacceptable. I always give people credit for thingsI didn't do. Even if I did rip the tags somehow, if I made a map for it, I would at least ask permission and give full credit where credit is due. But like I said, I was too concerned with other matters to post I was done with ripping protected content and that I would model my very own. Case closed for me. Use this thread to talk about "Should protected maps be protected?" or whatever it would be about.

The only reason I would want to unprotect a map is to grab effects and models. Everything else I can do myseld

That's still taking someone elses hard work.

And I agree with Dennis on this, cos he knows what he is talking about. Once you release a map, the tags are no longer "yours," they're Bungies.

I have to agree, this was a bit intresting. And Sim was corret, anything you make and release bungie own's. And if you don't work at bunge well...

Get outta here Canadian.

*gasp*

So, basically, Bungie could rip everything CMT has done once it is published. Bungie CAN take over the world. 0_o
Edited by DarkHalo003 on May 11, 2008 at 01:21 PM

Your misunderstanding of the law is almost as great as your lack of social skills. You are not exempt because of your age, even in Canada, because any suit would be brought against your legal guardians as it would in the US. Even in the land of the perennially nice people you do not get a free pass due to age. You just make someone else responsible.
Edited by Dennis on May 11, 2008 at 01:45 PM

Once again, pwned by Dennis.

But Halo CE wasn't made by Bungie. So it wouldnt be Bungies. It would be Gearboxes.

I would consider it an honor if they used it. USE MY STUFF BUNGIE. ITS ALL YOURS!

Indeed. I'd love Bungie to remake some Custom Edition maps. Fissure Fall, anyone?

Fissure fall would be auesome, same with like Dance (lol J.K)

Yeah, in Halo3, it would be sweeeeeeeet.

Yeah, too bad Prime 3: Corruption excluded multiplayer. :(

Another game dies away due to lack of multiplayer/coop (remembers Bioshock.)

I don't think Bungie would want to use stuff for a 5 year old game engine...

Your legal guardians are not exempt from any copyright violation you may make and are indeed responsible for your actions in all legal matters until you are either 18 or emancipated. The law you are referring to was designed to prevent things like child actors signing long term contracts, or you ordering CD’s through a mail order plan that locks you into purchasing more. It was also designed to prevent lawsuits against minors where their future earnings could be attached. It does not exempt you or more exactly, your guardians, from copyright violation or any lawsuits for that matter; it just prevents the child from the being the actionable party in favor of the legal guardian(s).

From the standpoint of using Bungie’s content within a Halo CE map you are correct, there is very little likelihood that they or anyone would initiate a lawsuit for the use of that content. It would not be in their best interest. The point is that they can. The secondary point is that your age does not exempt you or more precisely your guardians from a potential copyright lawsuit should someone decide to bring it. The third point is that your actions can have ramifications beyond your normal view.

i meant like they rip the tag and use it then get an exception and have no idea why. nothing to do with credit

I wonder if Bungie has a guy who looks at these forums and takes observations on everyones work. Like, if they even care about CE and keep track of it.

Dennis said they get visits from Bungie servers or something sometimes, weekly. Correct me if I'm wrong, which I probably am.

Pay attention, Were talking about the map prime t3, not metriod prime. and bioshock is awesome.

also, if bungie were to make a CE map into a halo3 map they wouldnt use the original map/model. they would have their profesional modelers remake it using the same design and layout, with similar weapon placements but fitted to the halo 3 weapon set.

Hey, I wasn't getting too of topic and I agree bioshock is awesome, but it became a bit redundant. Anyways, that is basically what they did for Blackout and Sidewinder.

All I can tell is that the sitet is visited by IP numbers that are part of Microsoft's IP block and are not the sub-net that their search engine resides.

So someone IS watching us O.o?

So that's what those 2 yellow things were. I thought they were 2 suns. Thanks for telling me they are eyes.

How about just get banned asking about it?