Look what I found on Bungie.net! :O

Lulz, the shotgun is out there.

lol its brian, not brain lol i get it alot so its not a big deal

the new update for halo 3

Multiplayer Design Lead Tyson Green checked a week ago in with a lengthy explanation of the melee system in Halo 3, how it’s different from Halo 2’s what worked about both versions, what didn’t work and how it’s being addressed by the auto update. here's a reminder of what he explained.

Tyson says:

The Short Version

Melee contests will only produce a winner if he has a sizeable health advantage over the loser. Otherwise, both players may die in the clash.

What Halo 2 Did

Put simply, in Halo 2, whoever threw the first melee won. Sounds perfect, right? Not quite.

Get your Einstein on, we’re going to talk about relativity. Specifically, the relative observations of host versus client. In Halo 3, across our entire population, we observe an average latency between host and client of around 80-100ms, which is around three frames. Assuming 90ms of latency, consider what happens when the host and client both throw melee attacks at exactly the same time. The host will see the client’s melee attack as many as three frames later, while the client will see the host’s melee attack three frames later. Who attacked first?

Well, in the halcyon days of Halo 2, the host made that determination. Which means his melee was first and the client lost the melee fight far more often than they should have. And in the event of two clients attacking simultaneously, the one with lower latency to the host would appear to have attacked first, and would be the winner. In a peer-to-peer environment with latency, it is nigh impossible to determine exactly who attacked first.

Over Halo 2’s three years online, many people adapted and got used to preemptively throwing a melee, but it was still fundamentally unfair in favor of the host or people with faster connections.

So, to be clear and upfront, we will not be returning to those days of letting the host win when the outcome is in doubt, aka. first melee wins.

The Halo 3 “Fix”

In Halo 3, there is explicit special treatment for what is called a “melee contest”, which occurs when two melee attacks occur almost simultaneously. Specifically, when the host starts to throw a melee attack, there is a short window after that (three frames, or approximately 100ms) during which the host will watch for a retaliatory melee attack. If one arrives inside that window, it is a contest. Besides smoothing out the latency differences between clients (it works the same way when one client melees another), this allows a client with a ping as high as 100ms to compete with the host on a far more even footing than Halo 2 allowed.

So now we have the contests, but how are they resolved? Having determined that we cannot trust timing in an environment with latency, we instead use the remaining health (including shields) of the contestants as the tie-breaker. This is about as fair as you can get, within the conventions of Halo—the guy who did more damage comes out on top. Specifically, the winner of the contest still takes melee damage from the loser, but is protected from death and lives to fight another day.
Edited by Brian on Feb 26, 2008 at 01:07 AM

So what dose this have to do with our topic?

nothing really just bored

Its abit smaller in H3 but its already been unwrapped and being skinned. I'm sure most people won't notice it.

I allready saw that

Brian showed me

We should really do that after we get done with High Ground

I can help too because I may be able to do those insides pretty easily

WHAT DO I DOOO

Well from what Chocolate Nugget posted we could kinda make it

But it would be better if it was out before we started modeling it so we can get it allmost perfect

I gots bored okay?

:O. I showed you!


Oh, and..
http://timcrowson.smugmug.com/photos/231689788_kfuZm-O.jpg

Here's a pic of Standoff. I dunno, I'm bored.
Edited by aDirtyShisno213 on Feb 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM
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Edited by Dennis on Feb 27, 2008 at 09:59 AM

Get bored again and make a power drainer....

Actually both of you guys showed me

But Brian showed me it first

Oh yea on a side note I am making a SP map that we could use for something

Oops, that's a gigantic picture. :P

really!? i didnt notice lol

anyway standoff(the BAP) bap=big ass pic is sort of a coag-bloodgulch remake from h1 and 2

when i played it for the first time, i thought "this reminds me of coagulation" be cause of the spartan laser in the middle

nice bubble shield btw
Edited by Brian on Feb 27, 2008 at 01:41 AM

It looks squishified. :(

EDIT:


Shotgun WIP. I'm tired of working on this one so anybody in the team who wants to finish it can go ahead and do it. x_x
Edited by ChocolateNugget on Feb 27, 2008 at 03:36 AM

i'll take it off your hands. on second thought... barrel's abit off.. I might try to make one from scratch. ( no promises)
Edited by aklass on Feb 27, 2008 at 02:11 PM

Who cares about the barrel? The handle is yucky.

I agree, it SLIGHTLY off but otherwise very good

That shotgun is not done. Hurr.

we gathered. you shouldn't have shown it off at that stage though unless you want crit or advice on what to do next. and "Hurr"? doan is the only one i have ever seen talking like that... are you trying to be a doan?
anyway, about the shotgun, the back looks like an plane you shaped then extruded, and the front looks like pieces mashed together. you are supposed to do that, but when it becomes very obvious, you may want to evaluate your methods of modeling

yea its not good....at all

I've been using "Hurr" for awhile now. See, I only posted it like this so that one of my team members knew what they would get and could evaluate which parts they could keep. Also, it IS pieces mashed together. I do that when making my models. First I make a simple version, then I detail. :-/

You also sounded like doan when you showed off incomplete work in the first place.

Well, lucky me then. I don't give a s**t who I sound like.

Thats why im doing one from scratch

Uhh hurr translates back from COD2, many people would use it when killed wilst playing S&D. Also, what do I do.........................................

actually this is just 1 hour of modeling I'm adding detail don't worry.

looks like a good start to me

Looks just like mine, but without the front part. :|

One hour.... :S

in a way it does look like yours to tell the trusth I'm not 100% sure how this will turn out.

WOW that is so true.

I take it that the shotgun is kinda awkward to model?

it is... i don't even want to model it its like some oval square shape