http://www.forwarduntodawn.com/fudcast18/

I discuss our changes behind the lore and the development of SPV3 with the forward unto dawn crew

What is the need to dub step every piece of music these days?

R.I.P Ears.

You little child, what did you say about Halo2. Even if it is my least favorite halo from the original trilogy, stills better than all 343i games. Im mad with you, very mad.

To Masterz1337 (not to flankars)

Q: And why the spv3_b40 has weird yellow-lights in the bsp's?

Q: Why you see Halo 2 isnt that bad? the game has good things to offer... like better vehicle combat (overshadowed by halo 3) but at the time when h2 was released the vehicles where much fun to use than HCE. Still prefer hce and h3 over h2 but you are trying to hard to make h2 look bad as the 343i games.
Edited by Halonimator on May 19, 2016 at 01:20 PM

A word of advice.

Watching you trying to fault/takedown/xpose Masterz is like a microbe chatting smack to a shark.







It's never going to work.







He's better than you in nearly every way which doesn't make him great, just greater than you.


So bide your time, get a little prettier, a touch smarter, and create a mod nearly 4367 people have downloaded and then you can bring your chainsaw back to the party.

Look at the map. cmt didn't answer me... its because i have the same error.
https://youtu.be/1ZNT-vqtVpI?t=161
Edited by Halonimator on May 19, 2016 at 01:28 PM

No CMT didn't answer you because I am guessing CMT knows that you are likely to dismiss the answer and somehow try and turn it back on it's self.

Humble thy self and hold thy tongue. - Echo - And whoever he/she stole it from.

I've seen the vid clip, the yellow glow looks intentional if not an idea which may never make it to final, it doesn't perturb me one bit, I actually like the spookyness vibe it gives off.



Enjoy the nightmares muahahahahhahahahaha!

I must agree with Halonimator, the yellow lights look fairly strange

I nearly Always agree with Masterz1337 about game design decisions. But he tends to forget one really important part of a game. The experience

Games with bad game design are sometimes really popular, like Halo 2 and Undertale. Both games lack great game design and maybe even gameplay, but when you finish the games it feels like you did something special. You felt great playing it and you want more of it.

Halo 2's story was dubious, but it was intriguing. Playing the game was maybe not as good as playing Halo 3, but experiencing walking upon Delta Halo felt special. There was some kind of connection with the player and the game and you wanted more, you want to explore the world.

Don't miss this in SPV3 Masterz1337, the experience is the main reason what made Halo CE and 2 great

H2 is a terrible experience, it was then for anyone who played the campaign back then and still is now, and it's multiplayer is pure garbage without the online play. The experience of H2 is one of unfairness and frustration. Whatever emotional satisfaction you get out of it's cutscenes and atmosphere.. that's not a game. A game is something you play. What you are trying to say is that you enjoy the experience of it's presentation, like you'd enjoy a painting... or the cinematography in batman vs superman. Actually H2 is basically Halo's Batman vs Superman. Garbage with a fancy name and pretty visuals. Except H2 has actual music. So yes, sometimes bad things are popular, like Batman vs Superman. But should you try and emulate it.. hell no.

Halo 2 was never considered a great sequel, even back in it's day. It was universally panned as being less fun as the original, despite the advancements made. Did it sell well, yes. Did it look better, yes. Was it a popular game yes. There is a reason H3 is more popular and considered BETTER than H2, and that's because it's more like H1. If you didn't live through H2's release you can't understand it.


The yellow lighting is something bungie had in, but either never re-ran lightmaps to include it, or had it internally disabled when they did run it. I do not have the ability atm to go and look.

Also frankly, it doesn't matter what you find "enjoyable". Maybe you like sticking red hot aluminum tubes up your butt, I don't know. But I rather have a sparring match using them as swords. Why? Because one is interesting and nuanced, and the other is just... a sadistic form of fun.
Edited by Masters1337 on May 20, 2016 at 05:38 AM

I want to see your web browsing history.

Maybe video games are worth looking as a painting, maybe it is great to emulate the feeling of just experiencing something INSTEAD of playing it.

All the people I know of really like Halo 2, and I've also seen Halo 2 in top 50 games of all times so I really don't know what you're talking about that everybody dislikes it O.o

And you're still forgetting undertale, can you explain why it's great to play it withough good gameplay and game design? Because maybe you should research this a little bit more if you can't answer this

Please dont be a snob Marsters1337... You know better than me that your gamemod has less experience than H2... what some bsp's in the same HCE map i have played for years with some new enemies and guns ? "which i like" please, masters you need to do something more bigger than overlaying the same HCE SP expecting the players to feel a new experience. Unlike TSCE you mod is inferior in many ways to both the Original HCE and TSCE or lumoria (all of them have many new things nexplore, play) If you played HCE SP before spv3 you will have almost any new REAL or AMAZING experience.



Masters thinks he knows everything about halo, but he dont redo the whole game... He just credit him self with spv3 content from the whole CMT crew, and thinks that TSCE isnt fun or new as his mod. He thinks any other halo proyects arent good... Arrogant.
Edited by Halonimator on May 20, 2016 at 12:31 PM

I'll just say again that Halo 2 is to date, my alltime favorite Halo game and experience.
Both in single and multi-player.

And I mean that.

For me aswell :), maybe not in multiplayer but definitely in the campaign

I'm glad to see that Masterz1337 isn't completely right about everybody hating it



I like it that people finally defend Halo 2 :)

But don't be too harsh on SPV3, it's a great mod aswell, but Masterz1337 should definitely stop looking down too much on other things like Halo 2 and TSC:e, I'm pretty sure that people would still find the Halo 2 experience better then the SPV3 experience when it releases (Not that I'm saying I won't enjoy SPV3, I'm fairly sure that I'll really like playing through the mod ;D)
Edited by lolslayer on May 20, 2016 at 12:37 PM

I don't know what game Masterz played, but the Halo 2 I played was fantastic

I welcome you in the league of Halo 2 defenders

Halo 2 was crud. Rushed, ugly, pile of poo

I never played halo 2 to be frank...maybe, will someone send me the highly compressed pirated version of halo 2 ?? Plz :3

Aye, but you've also admitted to me you don't play it on legendary.

Same all though I've played it only on OG xbox and xbox 360 not vista.

And I would have liked to use tartar sauces hammer.

I just wish the weapons had slightly better details.

This is such a nonsensical excuse.
I've enjoyed every Halo the most on Heroic, the way it is "meant to be played". I don't care if one of your friends at 343 says that's not actually the way he meant for it to be player, it's how I enjoy it the most.

Everyone is free to enjoy any game any way they want. You are essentially trying to argue that your opinion > other people's opinion.

Well Bungie has publicly stated the first game was designed and tuned for legendary, all easier difficulties are just watered down versions. This was the philosophy behind H1, and it fell apart in H2 when encounters had to be massively retooled near the end of dev.

Yes, everyone can enjoy the game in the way they want. If the ONLY way you can enjoy it is with it watered down because it doesn't play well then that indicates it's poorly designed. You can still enjoy it, but are you really enjoying the game the way they wanted it to be played... no.

I think you don't understand, if so many people like it, it did something good, nearly nobody likes a plain 'bad' game

We've had this discussion a thousand times by now.
We disagree.
In life, people tend to sometimes disagree.

What can you do. I say: cheers and beers.
Or cheers and wine, if that's your thing.

Perhaps we should all play gears of war.

Then we could cheer with our beers whilst playing gears!




Hopefully I haven't reduced you to tears.

DaLode, the problem was that Masterz1337 was lying about it being as bad as he said it was and that everybody hated it, because clearly a lot of people do like it and that means there is something great about Halo 2

*finds kindred spirit* *cries because he is pathetic fanboy*

You haven't played through SPV3.

Oh just wait for my youtube videos. Just because something is popular doesn't mean its good. You just seem to turn a blind eye that Bungie mocks H2 and looks at it with nothing but contempt and disappointment. They knew it was bad and there is a reason every game since works to undo the damage it caused to the franchise. Hell, 343 tried to emulate H2, and many of the complaints of H5 these days are identical to that people had about H2.



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/better-than-halo-the-making-of-halo-2-article?page=6

So here you have inside bungie, people who didn't believe in the game. Utterly destroyed the franchise. Yet, the numbers on papers say that people enjoy the game. Because Halo 2 is basic and full of cheap thrillers. It's like COD in that regard. The interesting nuanced gameplay of the first isn't there. But in it's place is accessible multiplayer, gorgeous graphics and presentation, and a really cinematic complex (but flawed) story. It's why I don't like it, because the fun factor of it is a polar opposite of H1, where the fun came from the interesting level design, enemies and weapons. H2 is dumb, its a walk into a room game, get the weapon you need, kill the bad guy you need to kill with it, fight off several more waves, and move onto the next room.
Edited by Masters1337 on May 20, 2016 at 05:44 PM

Another mistake, COD isn't bad, it's just cheesy

And maybe Bungie was wrong aswell, maybe it had something they didn't see

And I would love the next halo games to be like halo 2 enviroment and atmosphere wise



Halo 2 was the game that made me feel connected with the Halo universe and made me want to know more of it, that's excactly what games need to do, this amount of immersion. I don't care how good CE's game design is, if it isn't immersive it isn't a real Halo game (Halo CE was immersive aswell, second on my favourite halo games list)

My final thoughts https://web.archive.org/web/20070224045326/http://7hr33.org/index.html?commentaryfiles/woe

I can't even imagine why you'd want a return to h2's linear campaign design. It's worse than that of even h4's

This argument again. Lets put this metaphorically. Halo is the narcissistic kid at school, whom everyone secretly hates and sort of admires because he talks a big game and only delivers a quarter size of said game (Get it?) . Halo isn't as great as people make it out to be, it's enjoyable sure. But as far as i am concerned, there are better games out there and there sure as down under (Synonym for the homestead of antichrist) will be even more innovative and interesting games.

Now, I still find modding for this game cool because people in this community has always strived to improve the tools and content that already exists. They bend the rules of what can be done and just pushes it even further. But this community is also the worst at following things true, might be because it's such a small group of people (And always has been) and thus the incentive to finish things are not as great as it would be for other games. I admire what Masters, Higuy, Kornman does and there is a long list of people in this community who does and did some awesome things with the limitations they have or had.

So to put into context for you people. You should all stop trying to be better than one another and enjoy the content that you create for each other. Who cares about which of the halo games are better, you are obviously never going to make it as good by talking circles around yourself. Make it your own, brand it. Whatever. Outside the box, because Halo needs it. And finally, stop being such little wimps (In this case synonym for the female dog) and grow the down under (Anti christ) up.

Tl;dr I probably wont play SPV3, but i will look at the pictures and think of something in the lines of "I didn't waste 10+ years on this, at times awful community"

Thank you, and god bless America. (I am not American).

It's almost as though people have different opinions and everything is subjective! :o

The guys that defend H2 got inside in the franchise because it was their first Halo game, they played it as childs and hace great memories. But if they play it forma the first time your reactions are diferent. As example i played H3 odst first and for me it was better than H4 and H2, for me the best ones where H1, H3, ect.

Besides every one is diferent, so its opinions. And i loved Crysis 3

First halo I played was 1, followed by 2, then 3, and so on in order.

I like 1 mostly because of CE, but I like 2 more than 3 to be sure. 4 was pretty interesting, and ive not played 5 because I have better things to purchase in stead of a xbox one, but what ive watched I quite like. Id still say 2 is my overall favorite. I liked the campaign and the mp is pretty solid.

Never played H2V by the way, this is all xbox im talking about