He said material, not weapon. I'm guessing it's just going to be like the normal shields except impervious to UNSC guns for whatever reason (to be pedantic here it'd make much more sense for them to be immune to plasma instead of kinetic, but eh, gameplay rezuns ftw)



that's blue white red tho

It's probably easier to make something bulletproof than it is to make something plasma-proof, and since the basic Covie shields are already pretty resilient against ballistics to start with, it makes enough since to think that they have a few different degrees of that technology that offer more or less protection. Covenant shields that are invulnerable to ballistic weapons already exist in the form of the stationary shield generators that can be found on the Pillar of Autumn, so I'd imagine that it'd just be a matter of implementing that technology in Honor Guard armor.

Blue=Minor
Red=Major (Officer)
White=Ultra
Black=Spec-ops and Savage
Gold=Field Master and Zealot
Outside Guys=Stealth and Honour Guards
Did I help?
Edited by Spartan_234 on Jul 31, 2014 at 03:38 PM

No they don't. They falter after a handful of shots just like any other covenant shield.

When you think about it humanity's a recent discovery. For an honor guard dedicated to defending VIPs the biggest threat came from within - heretics or conspirators with plasma weapons - not from bullets and such. To develop and deploy the technology to completely negate kinetic damage in the space of a few years when there was previously never a demand is less than believable. On that note, the hell are honor guard doing on I04 anyway? The Flood never mentions them in any capacity, only the Prophet, whom CMT hasn't really hinted at including either.

But again I'd reiterate that as long as it's fun to play none of this matters anyway. Enjoyability should always supersede the tiny details. An honor guard immune to plasma weapons would be a pretty crap boss, unless the level beforehand was starved of human ammunition.

Did a quick test on the stationary shield generators found on Gephyrophobia to make sure I hadn't imagined their immunity to ballistics. After expending four assault rifle magazines in quick succession, and after firing sixty rounds of pistol ammo into it just as quickly, there was never any sign that the field ever began to falter. You may be thinking of the deployable cover featured in Halo 3.
Edited by Echo77 on Jul 31, 2014 at 04:29 PM

Neither were Brutes, but they still added them. As long as it's fun, why the hell not? Also, wouldn't it make sense for the Prophet to have some Honor Guards? So I think we will first meet them on T&R.

There weren't any Prophets on I04 during Halo CE, though. It would make sense for common brutes to be there since they were pretty much cannon fodder before the schism. Honor guard was only around for the prophets, so there would be no reason for them to be there..

Anyway, I'm just nitpicking. I'm excited to see how the elites will play in SPV3.

In Halo: The Flood, it's mentioned that there was a Prophet aboard one of the vessels attached to the fleet that discovered the ring. I'm not sure that he ever actually went down to the surface of Halo itself, but I guess he could have dispatched some of his Honor Guards to oversee operations in CMT's canon.

The Brutes, as I understand it, weren't cannon fodder, but shock troops and guards prior to the Schism.
Edited by Echo77 on Jul 31, 2014 at 04:28 PM

and grizzly

Shock troops are cannon fodder, though, haha. They lead the charge in the battle and therefore always take the biggest losses.

Interesting about the prophet, though. Which one was it? I read all of the books except for The Flood, because I found the idea of re-reading the game plot a little boring.
Edited by AntonMK14 on Jul 31, 2014 at 04:39 PM

Please read.

@Echo

They're not immune in H3; I'd consider that a sufficient retcon. It's not like they'd suddenly abandon the tech if they had it to begin with.

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He's just a minor no-name that only serves as a foil to one of the Elite protagonists. And to die rather summarily in the later stages of the book
Edited by BKTiel on Jul 31, 2014 at 04:54 PM

On my phone.. But the honor guards are used to guard important religious sites, cartographer, control room, and index chamber.

Don't worry we're just arguing lore at this point.

I remember in previous videos you guys had jackals with purple shields.
Are they jackal ultras or something?

Needler jackals. Ultras/specops use white and those shields can only be taken down through emps

Okay.
How about the jackal snipers?

confirmed honor guard in TSC:E and assault of the control room



cool

The H3 model is also a temporary field (at least in multiplayer) intended to be carried by an individual soldier and deployed in an instant. The stationary shield generator from Halo 1 is stationary and not limited to thirty seconds of operation before collapse. Its base doesn't resemble the base of the deployable cover, which implies that the two units are different, distinct models of Covenant shield generators, one of which favors protection at the cost of mobility, the other favoring mobility at the cost of protection. There's no reason both models wouldn't be able to coexist with one another in the canon.

I would say that the Grunts take the biggest losses.

The Prophet of Stewardship was the one featured in "The Flood".

Edited by Echo77 on Jul 31, 2014 at 06:32 PM
Edited by Echo77 on Jul 31, 2014 at 06:36 PM

They're the same size. There isn't any mobility to be gained. Anyway, it can be inferred stationary generator tech was implemented in the Kig-Yar gauntlets given their identical appearance, and those are vulnerable to gunshots.
From that it's safe to assume the integration (and the required downscaling) of this tech on infantry comes at the cost of immunity to kinetic based firearms.

To make another leap in logic, you see this in the MJOLNIR project - a jackal shield or two was stolen and the technology of it and its counterpart in the stationary generator reverse-engineered to create the trademark shielding of SPARTANs, which itself is quite vulnerable to bullets.

Disregarding size differences and potential variations in weight, another way of looking at it would be to note the size of the fields they project: the deployable cover projects a wide, hemispherical field that you can get two or three people behind. The stationary generator projects a much narrower, oval-shaped shield that's really only wide enough for one person to get behind. So one could reason that bigger shield from a similar-sized projector would be spread more thinly than a smaller shield from a projector of "the same size".

But this is Covenant technology we're talking about. I don't think there's really much of a way to argue that something isn't believable considering most of their equipment seemingly runs off of unexplainable magic. Assumptions and inferences can be made all day, but the truth is that nobody really knows how their tech is supposed to work. We're judging fish by their ability to climb trees, here.
Edited by Echo77 on Jul 31, 2014 at 07:07 PM

Hehe mudskipper. And masters, does the shadow only have two variants and what levels will it be in?

I know I'm late to the party, but there was a minor prophet on board the truth and reconciliation. You just didn't encounter him in halo 1 because (insert bungie's/book author's cruddy lore excuse to cover up the fact that prophets just weren't invented yet during halo 1 here)

If you're wondering what significance a minor prophet is to the covenant, I believe the prophet in "The Return" is a minor prophet, and he had honor guards.

So is it really that surprising what you said has already been pointed out?

Where?

IIRC back then the Prophets were just elites with fancy headdresses and not their own species.

the low gravity be fun?

Hey masters are there any old new bsps from a30 spv2?
Edited by Spartan_234 on Aug 1, 2014 at 11:52 AM

a30 spv3 is 98% different from spv2.

And the other 2% has old bsps?
And arteen does b40 have any bsps based off augur and cmt snow grove?
Edited by Spartan_234 on Aug 2, 2014 at 10:33 AM

snow grove is a CMT MPV1

Doesn't matter.
Although I hope a10 has some of the old areas in spv3, spv2 was too buggy.

I hope to see this, although it doesn't matter if it does not come out

Maybe.
And I hope the impaler "is" the new covie sniper.

best parts of the CMT SPV2 bsp:



the worst part of the CMT SPV2 Bsp:


extra: