I see, well, I was just wondering.... Reload for PR was something new.

Worst thing ever... how so?

If anything, that's actually the biggest reason I hate using the plasma rifle.
(plus how each shot feels too weak to me xP)

It would be interesting to have a system where instead of swapping plasma weapons on the ground by moving over them and pressing E when the battery is low, the player would swap the weapon cores. It'd work exactly the same as regular plasma weapon swapping, but the plasma weapon would reload when pressing the swap button over a plasma weapon with a higher battery charge, making this system purely aesthetic. Of course if this is even possible it'd probably take too much work/memory to be an effective system. Oh well.

While it would be incredibly easy to swap battery levels between your held and a weapon on the ground, visuals wouldn't be. I dont really see much point though, other than if you rather use a PR and all the enemies had PP.. but really, should they use identical energy considering their plasma colors are different? Dont think anyone else is gonna buy your idea.

speaking of youtube videos on cmt spv3, concerning the plasma pistol, for the love of god, do not have a discharge rate like halo 4. that would be horrid, halo 3 is ok discharge

there isn't much of a point, just aesthetics (it'd likely be more visually pleasing than just regular weapon swapping animations) and a use for the reload animation, plus it's something that hasn't been done before.
Edited by Delicon20 on Jun 28, 2013 at 08:02 PM

hey a viewer from youtube wants to know if adding lan co-op to this would be difficult, what should I tell him?

It would be impossible because of the netcode.

lol move over xbox, you've just been replaced

I hope you aren't replacing a Xbox with a Xbox.

If by xbox you mean xbox, and by xbox you mean pc, then yes

Did you actually read any of that?

a year ago yesterday we did some stuff. i hope you are strapped in cause the tsc:e boys are in town this time and now we're ready for it

didn't want to click on that link? maybe clicking on the following link will suit your fancy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml8Uf4fIrtA
Edited by teh lag on Jul 1, 2013 at 11:08 PM

ily teh lag. <3

well that was very reminiscent of the first level of halo 3

I like

should we post gripes and criticism or is it too late/pointless?

Oooo! brute chieftain! will they be as much a challenge in this game as they were in Halo 3 Recon?

still a no go on assault rifle model, can it have something similar to the old halo ar fire sound? I like a gun that sounds like its gonna punch someone hard, and im not sure about the plasma pistol overcharge noise

I would imagine it's neither too late nor pointless considering the level isn't out yet

the environment is obscenely dark(especially in the video) to the point where enemies could only be seen when they are moving, perfectly demonstrated by the brute chieftain. some of the textures are muddy, with scratches/grunge patterns all over instead of selective areas as they should be.
If you are following canon, remember that the Autumn carries the latest in UNSC weapon tech, so the guns should not be as dirty as they are portrayed in SPV3.
If you are not following canon, take advantage of the improved graphics to really show some great shiny weapons rather than metal things that were dragged through the sewers and washed with newspapers.
the specular values for the cubemaps really dull the effect and make the cubemaps null and pointless. use less greytones for cube overlays and either make things shiny and reflective or not shiny and reflective; middle grounds look bad.
the sound of the AR is really weak and sounds watered down, similar to Halo 3.
I still have issues with the EMP grenade; make the particles less opaque since the effect lingers, so that it does not hinder the player's vision. 100% white followed by a short gradient to an equally bright color looks overbright and ruins the overall appearance. look at halo 2/3 explosions for examples of what I mean.
this is more personal preference, but I liked the magnum's smooth muzzle over the boxy one featured in SPV3. it just feels more streamlined and aesthetically pleasing to look at, while also showcasing the cubemaps of the time.
50 AR rounds? well, it's a start, I guess...
I feel that more appropriate sounds could be made for the spiker, given what it is. it just sounds really bogged down.
the plasma grenade spews too much fluid imo, could be rectified with smaller particles that fade faster/fall shorter.
I think that the regular scanline plasma shields could be improved by making the line look like it comes out of the emitter rather than a single straight line.
I think the damage arrows could be moved to the edges of the screen to act as peripheral rather than obstructing things in front of the player.
I think you could represent needler ammo better than holding solid blamite crystals, similar to how you don't touch the spiker's fluid metal used in the spikes. maybe a holding case/grip?
the flak cannon/FRG's muzzle flash should match the explosion colour rather than being a slight blueish hue.
update the FP shield overlay, it's outdated and looks too much like random noise.
no long needler trails? for shame.

i do not know what you mean with this one.

it means he wants ten more rounds
Edited by Delicon20 on Jul 2, 2013 at 01:09 AM

well, why not 60 rounds? why 50? I don't understand that particular decision.

Well why 60? What makes 60 so great? Because it's what Bungie did?

In terms of realism, the 50-60 round clip is quite unrealistic, as the MA5B/C both fire a 7.62x51mm NATO round, much too large to fit in the MA5B's magazine. Example of a 60 round clip on an M4 varient

In terms of gameplay, you don't want a rifle having too little or too much ammunition, too little and you need to bump up the damage, too much and you risk a slow Time to Kill due to low damage.

Small Clip + High Damage = Slightly Overpowered (Fast Time to Kill, fast Reload)
Small Clip + Low Damage = Underpowered (Slow TTK, Maybe 1 standard elite or brute with clip)

Large Clip + Low Damage = Underpowered (Slow TTK, Wasteful Ammunition)
Large Clip + High Damage = Overpowered (Fast TTK, players don't need any other weapon)

You need to find the balance between the 4, and a 50 round clip that can kill a brute in roughly 30 seems okay.
Edited by olly12345 on Jul 2, 2013 at 01:53 AM

because I liked the 60 rounds.
is there a problem with this, or are you just trying to argue?
in that case, I liked the 60 rounds because it felt like an assault weapon, constantly peppering the enemy with gunfire until they are but mulch on the floor. being the only weapon like this, I preferred the large clip size because most of the other automatic weapons failed to give that lasting duration of suppression that the AR gave, since the plasma rifle overheated too easily, the needler generally expelled its clip too fast, and the flamethrower has a low range.

because plasma cores inside a dual prong gun produces projectiles.
because a gun absorbs crystal and shoots projectiles that aim towards organic flesh.
because robots can talk and fly and teleport.
because giant ring worlds float in space.
because there is a parasite that feeds on organic tissue and mutates its host.

I guess we should get rid of those too, since they're not realistic either.


Edited by master noob on Jul 2, 2013 at 02:04 AM

They probably use some really advanced shells with an incredible propellant and are able to store them in the clip back-to-back because of how compact they can make their casings

Much like how the Fn-P90 can carry 50 rounds because they're caseless.
And It shouldn't be ruled out, because there's also the H&K G11 which is almost a full-sized machinegun yet it too uses caseless rounds
Edited by OrangeJuice on Jul 2, 2013 at 02:25 AM

So basically, you aren't a fan of the art style?

Looks to me like its supposed to be dusk or dawn, based on the sky coloring and the position of the sun, so it follows that the area in the encounter would be dark, especially because it takes place in a canyon where the light from the sun wouldn't reach it xP

The vast majority of the environment textures are dark and muddy as it seems the environment you are in is a swamp... which is dark and muddy... Also, you must be blind if you couldn't see the enemies moving about.(Also, making a darker map with less obvious enemies isn't exactly a bad thing... See: 343 Guilty Spark)

Looks like the damage arrows are bugged, sometimes appearing at the edge, and sometimes right next to the reticle... So I wouldn't worry about that one too much.

Might want to remind yourself that this is not the finished product as well.

The size of the bullet won't change, you can only fit so much into a box.
I don't mean they should change it, I was merely stating that fact.

Besides, I understand about the gameplay element over realism, I never said everything unrealistic should be removed. Which is why I put the second bit there, which stated that the current magazine size and damage seems to be okay.

I agree with Master Noob that the environment is a bit too dark. Even if its dusk or sunset and the shadows are indeed dark, this does not mean there cannot be some other light sources, for example forerunner lights or covenant torches. Both of those light sources can also be used to guide the player through the encounter and help find his/her way out. Another thing I'd like to mention is enemy placement and interactivity. It seems as if stealth really isn't an option here, even when attempted, shown in the video. There are so many enemies and the player so close to all of them that doing so becomes impossible, even an overshield was added right in the players path so the development team should have known this was a problem. Lower the amount of enemies, and encourage multiple different ways to play the encounter.

Exactly what Higuy said! Because the map room from Halo would only be protected by a low number of Covenant.

Brighten the map more, and swap out the grunts.
Even if you guys don't have new ones, use a different place holder like the Halo reach grunt, or the Halo 3 grunt. Kind of like what you guys did with the phantom. Just so it would be a bit better to look at. Just me though.

so i left out the thing that i am meh about, but i strongly agree or disagree with these points however.
umm... the autumn crashed, most of the gear they used past the first few missions was gear the pulled out of the autumn, so yeah. maybe shiny new for the first few levels, then afterwards make them used like they are now, maybe towards the end have them look ready to fall apart (what can i say, i love seeing the use i put into my gear) preference only
please, more shiny
i'd actually LOVE to see what masternoob could cook up for CMT (give them better cubemaps so we can't complain about it)
for the sounds,please don't take after 343, all of their guns sound suppressed and weak. (i'll cover my issues with CMT's lack of knowledge on suppressed weapons later.)
i've always wanted to hear the spiker get some menacing sounds to it. i mean, come on, it shoots a friggin' 10in (approx.) semi-liquid metal spike, it shouldn't sound like a toy.
for the plasma, if u guys wanna insist on it phase changing into a liquid, have the particles show the gas phase too. no complaints on quantity of plasma/liquid though.
needler crystals are really only lethal after they embed in an object so i guess their reload is fine.
better fp shielding please, multilayered if it can be done well.

All lighting is also WIP, as we polish new areas we are constantly experimenting with how bright or dark an area should be. Part of it is certainly the dark atmosphere, since it is swamplike, but the video might also be to blame. Regardless, rest assured if an area is not lit the way we like it it will be changed.
Edited by slashrat on Jul 2, 2013 at 11:29 AM