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LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 20, 2016 05:58 PM    Msg. 1 of 77       
Not going to lie, the only reason I registered was to make this request;

Simply put I'm not a fan of the fact you can see a bunch of user created content in the Universal UI that you haven't even downloaded, never-mind the fact that when played you may not like it. This is the only fault with the UI IMO.

So basically, I'd like to request a version that only has the "Silent Cartographer Evolved" Part included, not SVP3 or the other community created maps.

Or if possible a version in which it only lists the community created campaign and firefight maps whenever I put it in the maps folder.

For example, SVP3 would only appear in the menu if it was in the maps folder.

If not, the original request- I would be eternally grateful if someone could do this.
Edited by LuciTheAlien on Aug 20, 2016 at 07:45 PM


ThatGuyWhoLikesCats
Joined: Aug 3, 2015

"If God is love, then you can call me Cupid"


Posted: Aug 20, 2016 07:33 PM    Msg. 2 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: LuciTheAlien
Not going to lie, the only reason I registered was to make this request;

Simply put I'm not a fan of the fact you can see a bunch of user created content in the Universal UI that you haven't even downloaded, never-mind the fact that when played you may not like it. This is the only fault with the UI IMO.

So basically, I'd like to request a version that only has the "Silent Cartographer Evolved" Part included, not SVP3 or the other community created maps.

Or if possible a version in which it only lists the community created campaign and firefight maps whenever I put it in maps folder.

For example, SVP3 would only appear in the menu if it was in the maps folder.

If not, the original request- I would be eternally grateful if someone could do this.

Get HAC2


lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015

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Posted: Aug 20, 2016 07:41 PM    Msg. 3 of 77       
Wew, this would be hard to pull off I think


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 20, 2016 07:42 PM    Msg. 4 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: ThatGuyWhoLikesCats
Quote: --- Original message by: LuciTheAlien
Not going to lie, the only reason I registered was to make this request;

Simply put I'm not a fan of the fact you can see a bunch of user created content in the Universal UI that you haven't even downloaded, never-mind the fact that when played you may not like it. This is the only fault with the UI IMO.

So basically, I'd like to request a version that only has the "Silent Cartographer Evolved" Part included, not SVP3 or the other community created maps.

Or if possible a version in which it only lists the community created campaign and firefight maps whenever I put it in maps folder.

For example, SVP3 would only appear in the menu if it was in the maps folder.

If not, the original request- I would be eternally grateful if someone could do this.

Get HAC2


That's not what I asked for.

Quote: --- Original message by: lolslayer
Wew, this would be hard to pull off I think


Which one? lol


Edited by LuciTheAlien on Aug 20, 2016 at 07:43 PM


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 06:29 AM    Msg. 5 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky
Do you want the default behavior but with the custom ui.map file?


Yes, exactly. But with Bungie Studios Campaign and the CMT Silent Cartographer listed there by default.
Just as they are right now in the current version of Universal UI; just removing SVP3 from the CMT list.
Then the rest of all the maps should behave with;
"the default behavior but with the custom ui.map file" as you put it.


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:21 AM    Msg. 6 of 77       
This entire request goes against the spirit of the universal UI. Is it so hard to ignore those other maps that don't reach your expectations?


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 08:41 AM    Msg. 7 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: DaLode
This entire request goes against the spirit of the universal UI. Is it so hard to ignore those other maps that don't reach your expectations?


Yes, I don't like those other maps and I don't want to see them.
Sorry, but I'm not big on inconsistent content and bad VA work.

But don't get too hung up on my standards- it's my belief that all fan VA is bad VA and I don't like a single Machinima; so it'a no wonder I'm not a fan of the community SP content.
Edited by LuciTheAlien on Aug 21, 2016 at 08:52 AM


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 09:24 AM    Msg. 8 of 77       
You seem to imply that voice acting heavily makes or breaks SP content here.
While it's not an unimportant aspect, it's a shame you can't appreciate quality community content because of some mediocre voice acting.

Anyways, I doubt some UI guy is going to jump on this and fulfil your personal request. But who knows, sillier things have happened.


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 09:49 AM    Msg. 9 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: DaLode
You seem to imply that voice acting heavily makes or breaks SP content here.
While it's not an unimportant aspect, it's a shame you can't appreciate quality community content because of some mediocre voice acting.

Anyways, I doubt some UI guy is going to jump on this and fulfil your personal request. But who knows, sillier things have happened.


Mediocre in VA, might as well be bad.
& No, I consider it an extremely important aspect- if you aren't immersed or can't believe in the story that's being told then there's no point.

How is it silly in the slightest?


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 10:28 AM    Msg. 10 of 77       
Ah, right. Making an account with the sole purpose of requesting people to cater to your individual "high quality" UI needs is indeed far from silly. Slightly shaming a community's work in the process makes it éven less silly!


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 10:47 AM    Msg. 11 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: DaLode
Ah, right. Making an account with the sole purpose of requesting people to cater to your individual "high quality" UI needs is indeed far from silly. Slightly shaming a community's work in the process makes it éven less silly!


It is far from silly, to me- it means the memory (However little-) that Halo Custom Edition takes up is worthwhile, with such a fantastic piece of work as
"The Silent Cartographer Evolved" being the reason and ONLY reason for it's installation.

It's not my fault that the community's work isn't up to the standard of say-
something like KOTOR 2's TSLRCM.
The fact that requesting the community's work be of a higher standard to me; is not an insult but a request through a belief that in some cases, they are so close to professionalism and true high quality but then it's squandered in some fashion.

It's especially frustrating & I seen it happen over and over with different mods from different communities.

To quote Xuul "The best mod is one that fits in perfectly, you wouldn't know it wasn't there in the first place unless someone told you. & If you remove it, you really feel it's absence."

That's what the Universal Interface should be, not an amalgamation list of community content- but a superior interface.

Edited by LuciTheAlien on Aug 21, 2016 at 10:55 AM


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 11:04 AM    Msg. 12 of 77       
I get the feeling you didn't even bother to try out the other maps.

If you did, please list all the maps you tried. And even better would be to provide a detailed review, so the community's "novice developers" can learn from the great insights you surely can provide.


cippozzo
Joined: May 7, 2013

"I... I am a monument to all your sins."


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 11:06 AM    Msg. 13 of 77       
About four weeks ago I got some ideas about that.
But trying to work with assembly and cheat engine it felt a pain in the ass.
My idea was to follow the blasphemous Halo Online way and the battlefield's.
So that over the UI scenario it would open up a chromium embedded application as a new UI. Btw I'm too lazy and not so good at programming to write such a thing.


tanju77
Joined: Mar 12, 2016

Doing moderator's job


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 11:21 AM    Msg. 14 of 77       
@OP


Ever tried takedown dude? (NP) teams levels?
Lumoria? Convert ops? FF descent? Portent? Airlock? Cleanup? Dmt_air???????

Personally, I want more and more community created stuff.


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 11:26 AM    Msg. 15 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: DaLode
I get the feeling you didn't even bother to try out the other maps.

If you did, please list all the maps you tried. And even better would be to provide a detailed review, so the community's "novice developers" can learn from the great insights you surely can provide.


This isn't helpful feedback. It's not really about the quality of the content, quality is of course subjective and I've laid out my opinion on WHY I don't like the content.

But I still think it's a valid request to have at least a toggle option to see, or hide community content- as it is- it's shoved down my throat.
If I want to use the universal UI, but not using it isn't an option either simply because it's so well made.



& Really, I only played "Descent" the firefight map- which was to it's credit very well made; but I decided that personally if I wanted to play Firefight I'd rather just jump on the MCC.

The other I played was Operation Takedown, Project Lawson and this was extremely well made apart from the fact that there shouldn't ever, be so many spartans and I cringed, genuinely at nearly every third line spoken.

I'm not alone in this either as I allowed my brother to play it, he's a huge fan of RvB and I'm to date not, & even he disliked the spoken dialogue immensely.


So no, I don't think it's silly to request a version of the UI that means I only should see the content I've downloaded. In fact, I don't see how this wouldn't be superior in every sense for testing and modding as well.

Quote: --- Original message by: tanju77
@OP


Ever tried takedown dude? (NP) teams levels?
Lumoria? Convert ops? FF descent? Portent? Airlock? Cleanup? Dmt_air???????

Personally, I want more and more community created stuff.


I'd love to try the other content that you listed if it wasn't shoved in my face, but rather I could try it myself and see if they should be in my "maps folder" and on the menu in the first place, in this regard.
Edited by LuciTheAlien on Aug 21, 2016 at 11:30 AM


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 02:51 PM    Msg. 16 of 77       
Is this DSali? Everyone in here is being trolled so hard right now (even if it's not Sali).


BipolarAurora
Joined: Aug 16, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 03:00 PM    Msg. 17 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Is this DSali? Everyone in here is being trolled so hard right now (even if it's not Sali).

Yup, OP is DSali.


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 03:26 PM    Msg. 18 of 77       
Sali seemed somewhat normal for once.


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 03:33 PM    Msg. 19 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Is this DSali? Everyone in here is being trolled so hard right now (even if it's not Sali).


Stop it with this nonsense, I'm being serious and genuine.
I didn't come here to troll anybody and I have no idea who you're talking about.

Dismissing my request as an attempt at trolling is a garbage attitude to have and I won't put up with it.
So much for welcoming new members.
I can even link my FB page to let you guys know that I'm not this person; but I shouldn't have to in the first place.


EtchyaSketch
Joined: Apr 11, 2014

S P I N


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 06:22 PM    Msg. 20 of 77       
"I play games for good voice acting, not fun and good gameplay"


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 06:36 PM    Msg. 21 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
"I play games for good voice acting, not fun and good gameplay"


No, I play them for both.

This has got to be one of the most childish of communities I've come across; judging by the responses I've gotten. Also, I like my Games to have been spellchecked- which for instance SPV3 hasn't.

Basically I want my single player experiences to be immersive, not to make me cringe.


EtchyaSketch
Joined: Apr 11, 2014

S P I N


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 06:51 PM    Msg. 22 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: LuciTheAlien
Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
"I play games for good voice acting, not fun and good gameplay"


No, I play them for both.

This has got to be one of the most childish of communities I've come across; judging by the responses I've gotten. Also, I like my Games to have been spellchecked- which for instance SPV3 hasn't.

Basically I want my single player experiences to be immersive, not to make me cringe.

Then use the default UI and type in map_name every time you want to play TSC:E.
Better yet record yourself making the perfect run of TSC:E and play it back over and over. That way you wont have to launch Halo at all. You wont have to be pressing buttons or look at all of those other awful maps! Perfect immersion!

These are mods and maps made by passionate hobbiests. No one here is getting paid to do it. They do it for fun. Sorry it doesn't live up to your quality expectations. Sorry that other communities made content that you enjoyed more. Sorry that you can't just scroll past the things you don't like and move on.

When you go to a restaurant and see something you don't like on the menu do you whine about it to the staff to have the item removed? No, you don't because that would be stupid.

Guess what, you look pretty stupid here too.


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 06:58 PM    Msg. 23 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
Quote: --- Original message by: LuciTheAlien
Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
"I play games for good voice acting, not fun and good gameplay"


No, I play them for both.

This has got to be one of the most childish of communities I've come across; judging by the responses I've gotten. Also, I like my Games to have been spellchecked- which for instance SPV3 hasn't.

Basically I want my single player experiences to be immersive, not to make me cringe.

Then use the default UI and type in map_name every time you want to play TSC:E.
Better yet record yourself making the perfect run of TSC:E and play it back over and over. That way you wont have to launch Halo at all. You wont have to be pressing buttons or look at all of those other awful maps! Perfect immersion!

These are mods and maps made by passionate hobbiests. No one here is getting paid to do it. They do it for fun. Sorry it doesn't live up to your quality expectations. Sorry that other communities made content that you enjoyed more. Sorry that you can't just scroll past the things you don't like and move on.

When you go to a restaurant and see something you don't like on the menu do you whine about it to the staff to have the item removed? No, you don't because that would be stupid.

Guess what, you look pretty stupid here too.


Unbelievable- why should I even bother at this point.

Asking for a different version of the universal UI is hardly the insanity you make it out to be.


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 06:58 PM    Msg. 24 of 77       
Everyone just kick back and relax. Enjoy this cool song that Altis used in his Bigarse trailer yesterday: http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=Lcf-s_XZhdE#RIOT_87_-_We_Are_Back_%5BDrum_and_Bass_%2F_Rock%5D


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:02 PM    Msg. 25 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: DaLode
Everyone just kick back and relax. Enjoy this cool song that Altis used in his Bigarse trailer yesterday: http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=Lcf-s_XZhdE#RIOT_87_-_We_Are_Back_%5BDrum_and_Bass_%2F_Rock%5D


I appreciate your optimism.

& I apologise for getting heated, but I don't think my request is absurd or invalid.


EtchyaSketch
Joined: Apr 11, 2014

S P I N


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:02 PM    Msg. 26 of 77       
Oh wait what is it called again? Universal? Oh woah! Woah hey now, calm it down, we wouldn't want to include anything other than TSC:E into the Universal User Interface now would we? Everything else is just so sub-par in quality.

None of these other maps can possible be fun! Oh wait I don't care about fun, its all about "immersion".


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:06 PM    Msg. 27 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
Oh wait what is it called again? Universal? Oh woah! Woah hey now, calm it down, we wouldn't want to include anything other than TSC:E into the Universal User Interface now would we? Everything else is just so sub-par in quality.

None of these other maps can possible be fun! Oh wait I don't care about fun, its all about "immersion".


Answer my question, what is wrong with having an alternative version that only displays the content the user downloaded?


EtchyaSketch
Joined: Apr 11, 2014

S P I N


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:09 PM    Msg. 28 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: LuciTheAlien
Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
Oh wait what is it called again? Universal? Oh woah! Woah hey now, calm it down, we wouldn't want to include anything other than TSC:E into the Universal User Interface now would we? Everything else is just so sub-par in quality.

None of these other maps can possible be fun! Oh wait I don't care about fun, its all about "immersion".


Answer my question, what is wrong with having an alternative version that only displays the content the user downloaded?

Its not a problem its that it can't be done. Halo checks for your MP maps. But not SP maps. When you download a SP map it doesnt show up in your MP maps section because halo doesnt work like that. If it did there wouldn't need to be a UUI other than that its aesthetically nice.


Halonimator
Joined: Dec 15, 2014


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:13 PM    Msg. 29 of 77       
So, you are saying every other community maps are sheit compared to tsce, even spv3_tsce? what?


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:16 PM    Msg. 30 of 77       
I just want to reiterate.

"But don't get too hung up on my standards- it's my belief that all fan VA is bad VA and I don't like a single Machinima; so it'a no wonder I'm not a fan of the community SP content."

Basically, I don't intend to personally attack the community and I'm sorry if it came off that way.
It's just my opinions and preferences at the end of the day.

Quote: --- Original message by: Halonimator
So, you are saying every other community maps are sheit compared to tsce, even spv3_tsce? what?


No, I'm saying I don't like them. Not that they're sheit as you put it

But I do think TSCE is on a whole other level than anything else I've played so far.
Edited by LuciTheAlien on Aug 21, 2016 at 07:20 PM


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:39 PM    Msg. 31 of 77       
Well keep playing then.
TSCE is good, but once you're over the graphics, it's not that different from other popular SP maps. Let alone "on another level".

Ultimately comparing TSCE to other SP maps isn't entirely fair from a graphics POV, since that team had exclusive access to new graphical features because they bought the developers of Open Sauce many beers and cheezits back in the day.


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:50 PM    Msg. 32 of 77       
I have a request. Can somebody make me a UI but one that only shows the servers I personally like to play on and that I find fun?


LuciTheAlien
Joined: Aug 20, 2016


Posted: Aug 21, 2016 07:54 PM    Msg. 33 of 77       
Quote: --- Original message by: DaLode
Well keep playing then.
TSCE is good, but once you're over the graphics, it's not that different from other popular SP maps. Let alone "on another level".

Ultimately comparing TSCE to other SP maps isn't entirely fair from a graphics POV, since that team had exclusive access to new graphical features because they bought the developers of Open Sauce many beers and cheezits back in the day.


Well, I don't think it's graphics or gameplay necessarily that makes it above the rest.

More graphical consistency in which it's made.

For example in SVP3 you can see different texture quality all over the place. I just don't get that impression with TSCE.


DaLode
Joined: Oct 4, 2014

Ho ho hooooly doodle!


Posted: Aug 22, 2016 12:32 AM    Msg. 34 of 77       
Well now you're just talking nonsense, so I'll assume you're indeed trolling.


Idaho
Joined: Mar 19, 2015

Mihi Libertas Necesse Est


Posted: Aug 22, 2016 04:07 AM    Msg. 35 of 77       
OP's entitlement is so huge, Halo:CE modding is primarily community driven, therefore I think it makes sense that the Universal UI promotes mods from people of the community, having stuff from the community not showing up and not being promoted via the UUI would make sense if Halo:CE modding wasn't community driven.

Now you should deal with it and stop whining, the content is not "pushed down your throat", it's just a friendly intention because the maker of this mod assumes you're also a friendly member of the community that is interested by the content fellow members of the community will create, also it's easier to make the menu behave that way instead of showing up only the content that is installed...

Some mods like Lumoria come with their own UI because their intention is to bring a complete experience to the player and adding a custom UI to it just adds to that but if you don't like UUI feel free to not use it and use command lines instead or some other UI mods.

You can make friendly suggestions but if you see people oppose your view, don't get upset about it, it makes you look like a brat, you have to understand that the people of the community or the maker of the UUI doesn't want it to be made that way or just don't want to spend the effort to make it behave that way.

Additionally if you really want it that way you could try doing it on your own, if you don't have the patience to gain the skills to do it, then you should just resign to using UUI, command lines or alternate UIs, ranting on the forum is just not constructive...

Personally, I like to the see the UUI as a kind of mod/map store for the Halo map/mod enthusiasts.
Edited by Idaho on Aug 22, 2016 at 04:39 AM

 
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