No, no. It really is more of a political debate, with the losing side resorting to name callings after having strayed sooo far away from the initial statement.

Let us just recap for a moment.

Flanker said: "The skill and intellect of other people increases when CMT does a release"
I said: "The skill of a person is only affected by his/her own effort. Intellect is completely unaffected. But yes, tutorials can aid in improving skill, but it's not a magical process."

A very simple remark about semantics, rational posting in its basic form.

What happens?
The forum members go berserk because this post is not in-line with the expected post format:
- "cool"
- "omg so hype, such tags"
- "I had cheese for dinner last night"

Oh well. Halomaps will never change.

Really? Only like two people have called you anything unwarranted and it wasn't even OP.
I too love high horses though.

I am indeed a fan of horses, as well as donkeys.

See? Now we're back to posting at the average level of this thread :-)

I too love avoiding the subject. I do it every day at school but you seem to take it religiously.

If you think the creators are doing this for the community, you are all far beyond naive. They are doing it for themselves, exactly as they should.

People who have created content for this game know what I am talking about. The creators don't care about any single one of you. These big-scale projects are personal achievements, not mere Halomaps.org platinum releases. They are far more valuable in that form than anything ever created for the amusement and critique of the community.

That being said, I hold them to the highest possible standards - not out of self-entitlement, but out of respect for the enormous talent in the team.

After all, no self-respecting content creator will release anything that he doesn't deem complete and polished. Why do you think so many great projects go unfinished?

If you think it's because the creator suddenly realized he was creating content for ungrateful children, stop flattering yourself. They left it behind because they realized the significant amount of time it would take to bring their project to a level of quality that they themselves can deem acceptable.

Thank you, no seriously, i keep saying this too.

The things that happen on this forum are really miracles... no really no joke intended.
Edited by Infinite Guardian on Jan 12, 2015 at 07:53 PM

I know right xD.

you aren't one of them :3

well I am a bird

I guess you assholes don't realize that CMT is putting a crap load of their personal time, where they can be doing stuff with their family's, and you are talking crap about them

who the heck wants to spend time with their family?

They don't want to spend time with their family, they want to create mods for Halo. Who in their right mind would mod this game against their will?

you your self and you

I'm pretty sure that's code word for getting arrested.
Edited by gruntfromhalo on Jan 12, 2015 at 08:41 PM

MattDratt Orphan confirmed.

absolutely
or maybe he just doesnt want to spend time with his family but no im sure hes an orphan hes actually batman tbh

If he's batman he is an orphan :)

A badass orphan.

Someone please read through the comments and try to find ONE possitive comment towards CMT.





I would like to appologise for the stupitidy of all these people and I just want to thank every single one of you for keeping my favorite game still alive with such an ambitious project.I really appreciate your work over the years and I can't wait for this project to get released. Thank you.
Edited by AlekosGR on Jan 13, 2015 at 12:09 AM

That is a fair point and I suppose I do actually hold them to reasonably high standards myself because I know they want some external padding to their benchmark so that they know they're not setting the bar too low for themselves. I hold them to the standards that I believe they can achieve because I know they're a great team. So you do have a good point there.

However, people should still be respectful if they are to hold a team to high standards. High standards =/= The right to make stupid demands, especially when said demands would cause the creators to deviate from what they actually want to do.
Case in point: Bonehead and Lode were both complaining about CMT still modding the campaign maps rather than fully custom maps and neither went about it in a respectful manner. Lode resorted to namecalling Masterz and Bonehead decided to have a massive troll debate about the matter.

Though I'm doubting either was actually serious in the first place as both have made comments that make little sense.(I think Lode's at least a little better than this). But regardless, they have just acted as an example of disrespectfully making unreasonable demands and holding the team to ridiculous standards.
(and 'not a mod' is certainly a ridiculous standard. They both basically insisted that CMT ditch what they're doing and start anew with a custom map. That's a very ridiculous standard)

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Edited by Jaz on Jan 13, 2015 at 12:27 AM

Hey! Don't go around calling people stupid just because I or / and Other people didn't include CMT in our comment. I still appreciate what CMT is doing, but just because I don't say "Thanks for making this CMT" in every single comment I make, doesn't mean I'm / the others are stupid.

Heh, I adressed everything people said so far, even when unrelated to the initial "skill and intellect" statement. But when I see a great poster like you completely avoiding the initial statement, there is no reason to dignify it with a meangingful response.
The core-subject was simple, and you managed to completely go around it. Dare I say, almost religiously!

I recommend you to stick to the traditional "cool" posting. Things appear much more happy that way!

Alright? Awesome! Yay!
Indeed cool.

Well I for one hate CMT and everything they've done to ruin this game. CMT is personally responsible for the influx of mexicans, declining playerbase, closure of halomaps, global warming, and the terrible excuse for hot chocolate I got at the coffee shop today. I know I deserve the maps they make, it is my god-given right. Someone needs to put a stop to their madness!

ur mum lol

And I don't care about CMT and their mods.

WAR! WE NEED WAR!

calm down there Bush

I have had nothing but praise for this mod.

Thread has too much FanBoyRage

Respecting a creator's artistic vision, and holding them to any sort of standards, are definitively opposing ideas.

Respecting an artist's vision entails one assume that only the artist is the proper judge of quality and what the desired result should be. Holding said artist to any sort of standards implies that said standards are more important than the artist's judgement, should they conflict.

Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Edited by Infinite Guardian on Jan 13, 2015 at 01:44 PM

To add into the high standards thing: some say holding people to high standards is unrealistic, unforgiving and even disrespectful.

I disagree. Holding people to a high standard is probably the biggest compliment you can give them. It means you deem them capable of delivering something really nice, and that they have managed to raise your expectations.

You are just mad because lumoris had plain BSPs and bad voice acting.

How am I even remotely mad. And what is lumoris.
Whatever man #jeSuisCharlie