Edited by Unikraken on Mar 17, 2016 at 03:12 PM

http://www.moddb.com/mods/halo-sins-of-the-prophets

UniKraken is second 'in charge'. (Dev Lead)

Wasn't a leak. The guy just downloaded a Sins of a Solar Empire mod (Sins of the Prophets) and then from there ported one of the models from it.

The way I see it there wouldn't even be an issue had he just asked beforehand. To ask permission prior to porting to another engine hardly seems too much to ask.

e: But also Kraken, I have to say your behavior leaves something to be desired as well. If not the initial outburst of hostility then your continued removal of what you're saying. If you don't want to say something don't bother posting in the first place?
Edited by BKTiel on Jun 11, 2014 at 02:16 PM

Excuse me?



Alright, let me get this straight:


So you publicly release a mod for a game that's not your intellectual property, in which you import assets from another game that's also not your intellectual property, based on the concepts for an entirely different game (also not your intellectual property), then get upset when a member of the public releases its assets to a modding community of the original game your entire project is based off of.

But hey, that's quite understandable. Your people worked hard on that content. Know what? Plenty of the mappers here feel your pain; stuff gets leaked all the time.

You might know that if you invested an inkling of interest in who it is you were talking to. Instead, you waltz in a stranger, deride everyone on here, demand they fix your problem whilst flaunting you rancor towards them, then threaten them with some imaginary retaliation despite having absolutely no legal backing.


i think u just won the internet bro.
little pr@ck

You'd think he'd be a bit nicer, wouldn't you?

Release it anyway. It deserves to be released for CE

I agree; honestly, I think you should release this BECAUSE all this crap is happening... :3

I give your artist a lot of props for making such a beautiful model. Although, I do believe that microsoft owns the rights to the model once it's compiled within a map. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I do apologize that someone stole an asset of yours that required a lot of work, but at this point nothing can be done about it.

One does not simply
ask for permission to rip stuff

If you really want it (in lieu of the controversy here) just rip it from their mod yourself. It's not that hard.

Sheesh.

^ this, but dnt show to grumpy mod dev.

Edited by Unikraken on Mar 17, 2016 at 03:16 PM

I agree with this. Yes, the model shouldn't have been ported without permission, but, the approach that was taken to resolve the issue leaves much to be desired. The fact the he/she joined today for the sole purpose of getting that model taken down, and the disrespect they shown to all of us in the process, was... I have colorful words, but, I'm old fashioned, so, I'll keep it to myself. For that, I don't think I want to try Sins of the Prophets. Even then, the Halo RTS mods I'm looking at are Covenant at War and Campaign Commander (both Star Wars Empire at War mods).

Edit: Well, if he didn't respond to polite request, I guess you could get a little mean with the person in question. But, that doesn't give you the right to take it out on all of us.
Edited by austen1000 on Jun 11, 2014 at 05:31 PM

Honestly, I've seen rips from newer Halo games, but, never from other modders for other games. I think this was just an rare case (in terms of stealing from other modder's works in other games). Not all the modders here rip and port stuff. CMT does a lot of custom work (though the sounds for their guns seem ripped, or they are very good at mimicking the sounds). Some modders prefer to use stock assets. Yes, there is alot of ripping that goes on, but, the entire community can't be seen as rippers.
Edited by austen1000 on Jun 11, 2014 at 05:24 PM

The context isnt about the Microsoft Game Content Usage Rules, but the EULA.


Anything within the Halo: Custom Edition game is now Microsofts. But sure, sue someone for taking a model and putting it in a 10 year old game engine. You didn't have to come in here and make a huge deal out of it. Just simply say you wanted credit to the original artists. But being upset because someone took something you've distributed and did something with it is childish. It would be like the developers of Sins of a Solar Empire came after you for using their engine. Grow up.

This community isn't accepting of stealing work without credit, but we aren't going to be upset if we see someone took something and didn't give us credit. We like to call these "bloodgulch mods." If something I created ended up in a BG mod, or something I made was modded without credit, I would probably just shrug it off and go on with my day. If there was a bigger issue, I'd just ask for credit. There's no reason you have to come in and threaten legal action for something so incredibly stupid.


Please, explain more.
Edited by MatthewDratt on Jun 11, 2014 at 05:33 PM

Indeed. It's not like the ripper is making a profit off of the asset. You would waste more money attempting to sue, because their is nothing to sue.

That is hardly a ''polite'' request.

Now, I'm not entirely familiar with the law surrounding situations like these (and I'm sure that comment will now be used against me), but the model still isn't your IP.
Unless I'm completely mistaken - you've taken no legal steps currently to 'protect' your work.

Regardless of this, this community is not ''accepting'' of stolen content - we just accept that this happens when you release work and it's something you should prepare for and move on. People could share your work on some anonymous and niche website and you'd be none the wiser but a thousand people could see it.

People spotted that it was your work, and you could have simply said ''This is our work. Our Artist is "supermodelingman101" and he made this." or "Perhaps you could take this down please, you didn't make it and we'd appreciate if we received proper credit and you ask for permission".


These are VERY well done models and I'm sure this community would appreciate their release on this website for use in Halo CE.



TL;DR - What did you seriously expect when you released the mod? We don't 'accept stolen content', we accept reality and realise that things like this happen regularly.






Sorry for the lack of coherency, I'm quite tired. Feel free to rip this apart.
Edited by sos on Jun 11, 2014 at 05:41 PM

You had respect for the HCE modding community? Clearly you have a lot to learn.


Does anyone have the model up for download btw?

I'm sure if you threatened to throw money at some of the OP's 'adult' relatives, you could get him to put it back up. Because that is how everything should be handled.

In all seriousness: PMing the author might work. No one would know.



...Well now I've said this...

Unikraken fw

I see what you did there.


wait unikraken is a girlllllllllll?!?!?!?

take da model down rite now

Edited by Unikraken on Mar 17, 2016 at 03:16 PM

Alright, let's port the entire mod to CE guys.

Don't make the girl angry.

I also blame CMT for this.
cmt ripz



Downloading HEK now.
Also think i can do 1337 cross-game ripz with hek+?

Seeing what he thinks of the entire community, we'd better let Johnlex2 do it.

Btw unikraken do you happen to have the source PSD files from the textures ? I'm trying to learn texturing without doing highpolies and it looks like it's what have been done here. Or good tutorials.

I'm really just glad to see that you instantly generalize our community over one guy who ripped an asset from your game.

For the love of god, you need to get over it.

You cannot take this to court. Not only is this such a minor case, you have absolutely no rights to anything Halo related, nor is Sins of a Solar Empire your game. You are just like us, modding a game, stop making yourself out to be superior than you really are.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you are the leader of your group. Let me introduce myself, my name is Lucas (or Higuy) and I've been modding Halo CE since 2007. I've lead various mod groups, one of them creating multiple memorable multiplayer maps and a very large single player campaign project called Lumoria. Through my time on these forums and in this community working on projects, I've experienced quite a lot of instances of things similar to this. Maps and tags get leaked all the time and fall into hands that you may not want it to. The harsh reality is that when you work on things on the internet, you are instantly putting yourself out to have other people who you don't know at all take your things and use them, either for their own work, or even sometimes against you. Here on Halomaps, we've tried to battle this since a program came out (HEK+) that allowed you to rip assets from the compiled .map files, even by using the programs built in protection feature, but there are still ways around it. This is why we come to accept things like this, because its so prevalent in our community. Like I said, you are always putting yourself out to risk by releasing things on the web, and since it is not your IP, you have absolutely no grounds to sue this person over a ripped model. Look at Microsoft for example. People around the web rip Halo series assets all the time from the games and Microsoft does almost nothing about it, except for one little thing, which is actually giving you permission to use it, as long as you credit them and obviously not use it to generate revenue. you can read more about it here if you want:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/developer/rules

It may be hard to understand this, having your teams asset publicly available. But the best thing you can do is put a disclaimer saying that if they use your assets, to credit your teams hardwork.

Lastly, I highly suggest you get rid of your pompous attitude here. Your game that you mod for, Sins of a Solar Empire, is no better than Halo CE. We all want to get along and we all definitely have one thing in common, which is expanding the Halo Universe.

Thanks.

From the Microsoft 'Game Content Usage' rules;




As far as I understand it - these models count as just this.


Edited by sos on Jun 11, 2014 at 06:35 PM

We protect our own from outsiders
Edited by MatthewDratt on Jun 11, 2014 at 06:37 PM

Mostly what Dratt and Higuy said.
TL ; DR


You'd better try to work aside us than attacking people. It can be helpful for both sides.

Also LS Nicolas is from the spanish community which is educated all about rips from the beginning and they have a very different mindset than most of people here. Not saying they are worse than anyone else tho, they don't have the same ressources and motivations.

I think you do have a right to be angry to some degree. I understand that you may be a bit angry too because you also thought that the community here would also agree and take your side, but instead you got bashed a bit. I'm guessing because of a hinted attitude in your posts. I would like to say I am sort of a pacifist here on this forum and I do see both sides equally to a degree depending on the situation. Although, it would seem that you are taking the offense to the person who made this thread still even though he didn't disagree with what you said nor did he not argue with you. He did what you said and removed without bashing you. Don't think that the community here hates you or anything because of what you have said (I think... I hope not... >.>) other then the vibe that they are getting from your posts. :l

I would recommend if you don't want anyone ripping without credit, put some kind of encrypted protection or something. Or put in the team's name or logo, maybe both in the spec, normal/bump, or diffuse texture on you guys's content in places that is not as noticeable to the eye, or put it somewhere in the model that can't be seen. Like inside the model. But make sure it is hard to edit out or change from the model itself. Maybe even model or etch it into the model somewhere unnoticeable.

^ That would be what I would do.

Edit:
The guy who uploaded it didn't claim it as his either, so... :l
Edited by P3 on Jun 11, 2014 at 07:02 PM

If you don't know what do we do here, then how the fk can you have respect for us?

It's too late! The hate is spreading.

I was too late to saying anything wasn't I? :l
Edited by P3 on Jun 11, 2014 at 07:22 PM

Pretty much although it was a nice and logical post.