i know there is barley any information on the game but do you think we may be able to mod it because surly Microsoft knows that all successful pc games realistically need modding communitys to keep the game fresh and at the moment my guess is it will be on the halo 3 engine gear box may even help nothings saying they won't

seriously another halo PC game this has to scream some sort of hope for future modding maybe next year we won't even be playing CE any more and have moved fully to bootcamp.

I don't think it would've been possible to make halo work well on PC anyways, {GBX would've needed more time than microsoft originally gave them}
Since the Xbox runs on a superset of DirectX8 and an NVIDIA chipset, its version of halo probably used a lot of proprietary NV extensions(since directX back then was very proprietary and had different render paths for each brand of cards, NOT a problem in directX 9b and newer)

They'dve needed more time than microsoft gave them to translate those damn extensions and get them working universally, not their fault.

the netcode was also microsoft's orders, again lol, not GBX's fault

GBX has been a pretty crappy company overall. I'm grateful for HEK, but just go look through their forums or do a google search on their games. Their support for even their big titles is pretty lackluster.

You DO know that a number of the PC's titles were
1. Ported over from consoles.
2. Broken beyond measure upon it's release. Gta IV is a prime example of that.
3. Have terrible online. Gta IV is once again an example.
4. Because of being ported straight from consoles to PC (usually), little care is put into the expansion of said game. Halo 2 Vista is an example of that. We got an amazing free expansion to Combat Evolved called "Halo Custom Edition" and have went on to push the game to it's limits. Halo 2 Vista, however, served only as gimmickware to sell the Vista OS and rather than shipping with the same freeware SES, It shipped with nothing but a degraded version of Halo CE's Editing kit.
Not saying that you're wrong or anything but PC's are NOT better in every possible way. To be honest, I can't even name an exclusive game for the PC besides maybe Planetside 2 that I was really excited about getting to play.
Tf2 was fun at first but got meh when the noobs invaded, Garry's mod is fun for 5 seconds until you realize that you're not DasBoSchitt and you're comically inept and let's be honest; Half Life 2 was incredibly overrated. It was fun but it was overrated. It beat the grav-gun to death within minutes and overall, it showed how dated the series was in both graphical design and story design.
Gordon Freeman was yet another nod to 1 dimensional characters seen in games of yesteryear, Alyx Vance was a good character but honestly wasn't good enough persuasion to force such a dull plotline and the only entertainment I really got from Dr. Breen was when I welded his hands to a combine soldier's butt and launched them into space.
The only true purpose for the PC in my opinion is modding, the communities and the graphical enhancements. With that being said; I've also never been impressed with Crysis 1's graphics. After seeing what the game WOULD have been in the Alpha, I was sick to my stomach when I saw the actual release.
Edited by AllySuzumiya on Jun 1, 2013 at 05:20 PM

I wouldn't be too quick to thank them given that it's not as though they made it. There wasn't much of a reason other than their ineptitude for not providing custom map support out of the box.

and also you can get the orange box xbox

and whats with all the hate towards xbox one its essentially got all the stuff that xbox360 had just with a better controller and a kinect that actally works i don't see why people complain about the kinect so much personally i like the idea of it and what else are they going to add xbox 360 was a extremely highly polished console and reallistiaclly the only things it is leaving out is modding which im sure could be done but it would have to be like the game is designed like halo 1 you mod the map on pc then upload it to a server then download to your console which would be too hard

and


I'm gonna go ski in hell want to come with?

The reason custom map support was not released in the PC version of Halo is because Microsoft's contract dictated that the game fit on a single CD since DVD's were not mainstream yet. Gearbox originally proposed custom map support and other things like broadband netcode but were restricted to a single CD and a maximum 56K dial up data rate.

If they do release modding tools, it will probably be a $40 kit DLC that would be extremely strict in terms of what one can and cannot mod.

not to be a grammar nazi but you spelled Hourly wrong

Actually no I am not assigning fault to anyone. At the time they were all valid options. Halo PC would most likely not done as well with broadband only support since broadband connections only had less than 10% market penetration and the production cost would have more than doubled going to 2 CD's and alternate packaging. It is easy to second guess years after the fact but when the game was produced the technology and infrastructure was not what is is today.

Edited by Jesse on Jun 2, 2013 at 01:02 AM

that's not the PC's fault, that's your own bad taste.





plus, why would companies sell only to PC when many people own up-to-date software in consoles? PCs have to be upgraded; consoles have all the parts needed for their games. saying "no PC exclusives I like" means nothing when being PC exclusive means very little.
Edited by master noob on Jun 2, 2013 at 01:23 AM

Yeah... The Xbox one is really turning me off. I may go with the PS4 if I ever decide to get a new console, but even that doesn't look promising. I don't watch movies or sports on the Xbox.

I've heard the excuses before but I don't buy them. Custom map support is a few trivial code changes that wouldn't have been hindered by launching on a CD.

Having to support 56k connections, not that it really worked, isn't an excuse for how poor the netcode is either.
Edited by Btcc22 on Jun 2, 2013 at 05:13 AM

let me guess you one of those people who is like PC IS THE BEST IT HAZ THE PRETTUY GRAPHICS

Its not online for single player and that's the only time i really have it offline
it collects information about you that's not new its like facebook or any other form of social media
IT is not focusing more on tv its just they didn't really have anything game related ton announce because xbox 360 nailed it so they just added tv things to make life easier because face it most gamers are lazy and whats wrong with being able to use kinect to change the the whats on? the tv feature is it trying to get more normal people and casual gamers

how are they letting you down and don't say backwards compatibility because how often do you play original xbox games from the disk?





No it dos not it need to be online constantly to play single player games.
it will require some connectivity so for example if a patch comes out it will probabley force you to download the patch or play online like steam
And in the article you quote it even mentions this


Yes i looked at the article and no its not bad it is just as invasive as anything else the difference is unlike apple there is no evidence microsoft is going to hand it out or make it available its just some PC gamers opinion


What the hell did you want them to release this was enitrly aimed at causals and what more can they do as far as gaming goes there adding more achievements better online servers and more exclusives the problem is its hard to drag that out for a hour so yes they had things like cod because i'm not sure if you have noticed but its the best selling game of all time so i'm sorry that Microsoft made a good marketing choice and you disprove of this personally i don't like cod and the new game looks terrible but it has so many fanboys they have to cater for them and putting the reveal of ghost in it probable got it more views

just because you personally don't like it does not mean its that bad i'll admit that as far as games went it was terrible but for navigation and voice commands it looks allright like tom clancys patriots is coming out this year so maybe you will be able to order your suad mates with your voice rather than controller which would make the game more enjoyable i spent too much time telling them to move to that door because i had to point at the door rather than the enemy


And as far as gaming goes more exclusives, achievements and better servers is all i want anyway (beside modding) so i am not seeing your problem

seriously whats wrong with the sports stuff like i won't use it (doubt it would even be available anywhere besides america(although if they had local sports like AFL would )) there nothing wrong with them putting it in for people who like that kind of thing its not hurting you


IN FINAL

HALO NUFF SAID

The Kinect is worthless. The only reason the Kinect existed in the first place because Microsoft saw that the motion control gimmick on the Wii was selling well and Microsoft want the piece of pie.
john 117 how original
and i'd rather not we are bringing up good points from opposing views why not let people see because realistically xbox one is that bad its better than ps4 and wii u isnt even a contendor and you know what its going to be half the price of a gaming PC but will be able to play at the same rate as a high end one for a couple of years so i say its worth it

Xbox One:
1. The announcement was only FOR movies, sports, and the likes. It was an announcement for the general public as in what many consider 'casual gamers'.

2. The games are being announced in E3. In fact, Microsoft's confirmed that ONLY GAMES are being shown.

3. Kinect 2 might actually be alright if it's used well. It still might not be so good for games but for general purpose and apps, it's potentially very useful. It's certainly got more potential than the ridiculous-looking Playstation Move which has never been used well and it's LESS gimmicky than the Wii remote, though the Wii's still great because the Wii remote has actually been used well in some cases.

4. The Xbox One is actually a fairly powerful console and likely matches the PS4 at least.

5. Until Valve do something decent with the 'Steambox', which I doubt, the Xbox One and the PS4 are the only decent consoles out there... oh and consoles DO have advantages. They contain pre-defined hardware. They're easy to develop for. This might seem indicative of laziness to you but it's actually more a matter of MONEY. Production costs do matter and I'm sure you'd rather walk away with £2 million profit than £1.5 million profit if you were an executive.

6. The Xbox One does have great exclusives. There just isn't much detail on them yet.

7. Neither the Xbox One or the PS4 have backwards compatibility. Picking on the Xbox One for not having backwards compatibility is an incredibly biased thing to do.

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PS4:

1. The PS4 also has awesome exclusives and more of them, yes. There isn't much more reason to get a PS4 though. The online infrastructure certainly isn't great and the interface is only designed for games.

2. The PS4 is still a great console. It's just only a games console. However, this is NOT an advantage. Having less features doesn't make it better in any way. That's like saying that a restaurant that sells meals other than yours is at a disadvantage. Just because you don't like those other meals, doesn't mean the restaurant is bad. You're not the only one that uses the restaurant.

3. Yeah, can't say much more about the PS4. It is pretty much only a games console and has no advantages over the Xbox One except that some might prefer it's exclusives to those on the Xbox.

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PC:

1. The PC IS difficult to use for a lot of people, though certainly excluding myself, and does have some disadvantages compared to consoles. It does have to be administered manually at least for an initial period of time and some people do find this difficult or tiring.

2. The PC DOES have a lot of exclusives. At least 20 times as many as the Xbox and the Playstation combined. The PC, at least in the case of Windows, has maintained backwards compatibility for decades. Throughout that time, millions or even billions of games have been produced. A lot of these are of excellent quality.

3. The PC does get a lot of multi-platform games and there aren't that many exclusives that don't come to PC/Windows. Microsoft has already shown that it cares at least a bit about PC by allowing Remedy to publish Alan Wake on Steam.(not that they had much choice since Remedy could cut their publishing contract but heh)

4. The PC is a variable platform. There is an infinite number of hardware arrangements and not all of these can be supported. That is why consoles have an advantage. The PC doesn't have many disadvantages for consumers but for developers, it is a tricky platform.

5. As the PC is a variable platform, the 'PC master race' concept is ridiculous. Game visuals are only superior if you've got a high-end PC that can handle the higher settings and not so many gamers have high-end PCs.

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Halo Bootcamp is probably an MMO, as pointed out by a lot of journalists. So no, it probably won't have modding capabilities. Unfortunately, it appears not many MMO devs have realised the potential of building a modding infrastructure on an MMO, perhaps in a similar fashion to NWN1/2.

Sooo.... About Bootcamp... there is not much information about it. We can just hope it will be something cool with modding support.

That's certainly one way of spinning a strength of the PS4 into a plus point for the Xbox One.

• Didn't know Tribes was out of beta. I'll give it a shot.


• I wasn't a fan of Myst when it first came out


• Deus Ex I was fun but it's not a console/PC seller. Human Revolution was, due to it's top-notch advertising to the mainstream world.

Also, Rule #1 of owning a console: You're never 'up to date'. Being 'up to date' on a PC requires hardware updates, software updates, hardware optimizations and software optimization. Physical drivers, downloadable drivers. It's a never-ending cycle. No PC user is 'up to date'. Console hardware is incredibly dwarfed in comparison to the PC. The same should apply. Only thing, here, is that your console can't update physically.
When Xbox ONE fails, people will still go over to the Ps4 and the WiiU. Not everyone can afford a PC and can afford to incessantly upgrade it to meet the demands of the latest games. Within two years time, you can find yourself spending near 4000 dollars on upgrading a custom PC, if you're going for the best stuff and not counting pre-built computers. A large demographic of gamers are under the age of 17.

Lastly, the 'next-gen consoles' are not even next-gen. They're actually current-gen. PCs are the ones evolving. All consoles wish to do is replicate the PC's current graphics while the PC goes beyond. The Ps4 might have some damn good eye-candy but very much like the Ps3, it will pale in comparison, both graphic-wise and performance-wise, to the PC. That's also why PC's aren't in the 'console wars'. If they went down to hard fact with the PC involved, PC would be the best choice of gaming device. Performance, graphics, replayability, It's all there.
However, It's not that way. Unless PC's get cheaper or the economy gets better, there won't ever be as much PC gamers as there were Xbox and Playstation gamers.

And didn't the Halo fogies try to make an MMO in the past for halo?

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To be honest, Halo Bootcamp needs to be an RTS. MMOs are so lackluster nowadays. They all want to copy each other. Guild wars is great but the real competition of WOW was always Runescape. Now, Runescape butchered their combat system in an attempt to mirror WOW.
Also, future MMOs are rather cheesy nowadays. There are some gems like Eve online, whose cheesy Sci-Fi tropes are charming at best, but others like 'Face of Mankind' fall flat due to lack of inspiration.

Edited by AllySuzumiya on Jun 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Why would you 'hate to break it' to me? I am a PC gamer, smartass. Seriously, you and your ridiculous assumptions.

Also, that $329 PC probably contains used components. It's also being compared to the Wii U, which gets most of it's price from it's controller.
I've spent two years looking at PC components and it's impossible to build a high-end PC for less than £300/$500 without either getting used components or getting lucky with sales.

Oh and I didn't mention the Wii U because it's irrelevant to the discussion. It is actually in a different generation of it's own. There's no way it can compete directly with the Xbox and Playstation because it gets most of its stupidly low price from the controller. It is a great console but it is at heart, designed to be a gimmick. Trust me, I have actually tried playing on a Wii U for an extended period of time.



I didn't think it would be a good idea to repeat the same thing in the PS4 part of my post is all.
The PS4 is also a powerful console, yes, which is why I compared the Xbox One to it.

They're also both likely to be cheap considering their specs which is a plus point for both.

No, it's not 'last gen'. It's a unique console and could be considered part of a seperate generation if there were ever any similar consoles.

It's still better than the 'current gen' consoles, it's just not likely to be as powerful as the Xbox One and the PS4 by a long shot.

Ah, the days when I made up blatant lies and talked nonsense. Such nostalgia.

Yeah, I was a serious head-case. Still am but trust me, I'm talking a lot less nonsense now :P

Though it doesn't actually take that much to run OS's features except for VISR and motion blur at least relatively well. It would only cost about £200 for a computer that can do as described above. Not £50-100 though, that's ridiculous unless you get lucky in sales.

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Edited by Jaz on Jun 2, 2013 at 11:04 AM

"It's also being compared to the Wii U, which gets most of it's price from it's controller."

Yeah, the Wii U's hardware is almost as bad as the current gen consoles.. The controller is the main focus point.

Crysis on PC is most certainly NOT better on Low than it will be on the Xbox One and PS4 though. They'll be far more powerful than a weak $329 PC without dedicated graphics. Even if they had the same specs, they'd use higher settings since the game would be heavily optimised specifically for that hardware setup. This is not debatable.

Now, if you want to discuss this further, please take it to PMs. We've gone off topic enough :/

I had a 7 year old Lenovo T61 notebook.. Even that could run OS with all of it's features enabled. Unless you're running on Windows 98, you shouldn't have much trouble with running OpenSauce in it's full glory.

If you want to see some awesome graphics, going outside continues to have the best looking environments, ultra-realistic physics, and is a mmo everyone plays. The best thing is that it's f2p. Also it has no lag.

Here is a screenshot.

Meh, very impressive graphics, but the gameplay is terrible sometimes.

Ah, but I hear it's very difficult to do anything fun in that game. Quite often, you're stuck in one place and can't leave without missing out on something important which would allow you to advance in the game's equivelant of leveling.

I also hear there are no save points and death is entirely permanent.

I'm already max level so...

Yes, and you should really try not to blow anyone's' cover.

i don't interact with the other players much, that game has a terrible community

Yes, but the currency used in pay2win can be obtained shortly after 18 years of tutorial and from quests given by your guardians. I've seen people earn this type of currency even before they finished the tutorial!

I don't have a graphics card powerful enough to run that game.

I tried to play that game once.

But it crashed to desktop