meh to each his own. personally for me i have two lists, campaign and mulitplayer.

Campaign:

halo3
odst
halo 2
halo1
reach
halo4


Multiplayer:
halo3
halo1
halo2
halo reach
halo4

My problem with H2 is that the gameplay is ass sucky terrible in all aspects. It's hard to see any resemblance to H1's gameplay in H2. The campaign and MP maps do have a lot of good things going for them, it's just a shame they're not to fun to play (don't just take my word for it, bungie makes fun of them both at every turn and doesn't believe h2 is a good game). I think people have fond memories of H2's MP because it was the first time we really got to play Halo online on a console and not on the PC with a crappy netcode.

The story is complex, but I don't think it's good per say. I still can't wrap my head around how the whole story is written around eliminating elites from combat. The elites and their ai and shields and weapons were what made H1 so much fun. In H2, elites are your primary enemy for the first 4 missions, although 1 of those missions you play as the arbiter and you are given only covenant weapons which kind of defeats the fun of elites as an adversary because you don't have the dynamic of human weapons for flesh, covenant for shields. Once you hit Sentinel wall, you are up solely against flood (not even 3 way fights!), Brutes (dear god) and the occasional elite in Gravemind. High Charity is a tacked on mission that lasts 20 minutes, but is to short to take advantage of the interesting gameplay that part of the story could bring. It's like the story was designed to either ignore or get rid of the most memorable experiences of H1.

The idea of the covenant perspective is a nice idea and it was cool to see that part of the universe opened up, but there are a lot better ways to do it, without so much exposition in the cutscenes and writers part. How much more awesome would it to unravel the history and political structure of the covenant through your experiences as the chief than having it given to you in long speeches in cutscenes.
Edited by Masters1337 on Feb 18, 2013 at 02:49 PM

As stated above, it's fun to glitch and trick.

You stated an opinion as fact again.
If the gameplay was so terrible, it wouldn't have been THE most played xbox live game on original xbox.
The same sandbox applies to single player, except with enemies that are more intelligent and challenging than those in H1. Aside from perhaps the brutes.

To each their own opinion, but don't state it as fact. That's something you have a real problem with.

The issue is that pointing out that something is an opinion is rather difficult. If you're trying to make a point, it's debatable whether it's a good idea to show lack of surety. It can lose you an entire argument depending on the reader :P

So it's probably a good idea to simply interpret statements as such as opinions. ;)

When you write an essay, you don't try and say "I think that" or "In my opinion". You just get straight down to what you want to say and you say it. I see nothing wrong with Master's post, it's however you want to interpret it. "His facts" can be considered opinions to others like you, or even facts to people who think like masters :)

don't get me wrong though, I'm not supporting masters or you, just want you guys to stop arguing less.
Edited by XlzQwerty1 on Feb 18, 2013 at 05:37 PM

Yup^

It's not the writer's job to separate facts from opinions; that's all up to the reader.
(Though, to be fair, being adamant about your thoughts isn't always the greatest idea in the world.. but whatever.)

As I've only actually played H1 and Reach, I really can't say which games are best... But story-wise, I do agree that H2 and 3 didn't venture as far into its characters and settings as it could have. Reach's story had interesting details but was kinda limited overall, while.. ... ODST. Haha..no.
That's probably why I like H1 and 4's stories the best -both were innovative and fresh for its time, and (especially the opening and epilogue of H4) gave you something interesting to think about.

Halo 2 had a lot of potential, but failed. Everyone knows it..bungie knows it, and the fans know it. I will admit XBL was a blast at the time, but the single player was a HUGE disappointment. The majority of the trailers for the game had good stuff that we didn't even get to see or use in the final. Marty even states that the high-anticipated E3 level was supposed to be in the game but they had to instead split it's features between Outskirts and Metropolis. You can find it on youtube, I forget the exact quote. But if you look at the two earth levels.. they look like complete utter crap. The roofs for the opening sequence in outskirts use one of the garage door textures (wtf?), and everything is square and dull.

I'm also Iffy on the Arbiter, as bad-ass as his character set is to the series, Halo 2 probably could have been better without him. The Heretic Level is complete BS, it seems like it was there just to fill in a spot in the game. In my opinion, the sentinels, and the flood were introduced way to quickly. I think about it now, and I feel as-if Arbiter's side of the Story should of been a DLC similar to ODST.

We also have all these cut levels.. Covenant Ship, New Mombasa, Forerunner Tank.. etc etc. Cut content also, like mongooses, flamethrowers falcons, etc. You can tell just by playing half of these levels that they are unfinshed. Some parts just have a single texture applied thrown on with crap UVW's.

Bottom line, Bungie set the bar to high for the amount of time they had, and with the system they had to work with.


Halo 3 was better, but still wasn't mindblowing. To much to quick. There needed to be more levels, I feel like it was just straight to the point.
Edited by Ki11erFTW on Feb 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM

I actually take great care to write like that. It's really not that hard. Personally I find not doing so makes you come across as a know-it-all, and as it's already easy enough to be misinterpreted on the internet, the extra effort is greatly worth it.

Sometimes I think Masters is about to turn over a new page, and then he goes out of his way to post his "opinion" in the most terrible way. "Halo 2 sucks terrible ass". I mean come on, that's not how you participate in a debate/argument. Especially when it's been pointed out it's all just opinions.

Despite what Bungie may say themselves (or rather, a few of their employees), the game is still an absolute blast. Delta Halo has got to be one of my all-time favorite levels of the Halo franchise, along with Outskirts and Uprising. And even High Charity. I know some of you can't see past a few graphics glitches and focus on that endlessly, but that's your loss.
Edited by The Lodeman on Feb 19, 2013 at 01:24 AM

What kind of grades did you achieve in English essays back in school/college? :/

I was the top of my class, often correcting my own english teacher...
In class she would even ask me questions when she was unsure, it was generally accepted that I was the best english student there.

Of course this is logical, as I am half Canadian in a country that doesn't have english as mother-tongue.
Stupid question though Jaz. Speaking "in your own opinion" is communications 101. I also had a class on that.
Getting A's on essays really means nothing unless you want to be a paparazzi journalist.

so you are harping on someone about stating their opinion while stating your opinion.

why do you type like that, and why do your posts not get removed because of it? pretty sure there's something in the rules about that.

guys seriously

destiny looks cool, but I keep hearing that it will have MMO elements, which worries me. I play games for their stories mostly, and I like to do that alone. In my experience, mixing story and multiplayer elements usually doesn't end well. The story usually ends up suffering, or the other players completely break your immersion.

That said, the new enemies look pretty interesting, and the traveler looks like it could be cool too. Also, that screen with the ship gets me excited for space combat (like that one level in reach) which I think would be pretty cool.

Geez you are a moron. I was quoting Masters there. Hence the quotes. Did you see them?
They look like this: "

Really, you and your friends who set up the fraud lodeman account are the reason you cannot have serious debates/arguments on this forum. It's like kindergarten.

Go spam other threads with your mindless nonsense, and learn to read and interpret. Absolutely amazing what this place has become.

you seem more viable for that position, making assumptions and calling masterz out every chance you get, and insulting others for no valid reason.

My thoughts exactly.

outskirts rules. so...much...exploring...
not to mention the great IWHBYD skull.

I'm quite aware that the grades mean nothing in terms of your understanding of the English language. But if your marking scheme was anything like our (terrible) one here, stating opinions as if they're facts is a very important rule. :P

Uprising is a terribly designed mission. Anyone who disagrees... watch Hokiebird's walkthrough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdeow3U6W2Q
Edited by Masters1337 on Feb 19, 2013 at 07:49 AM

I loved Halo 1. I exploded when they announced Halo 2 and I loved and still love that game dearly. Some of the best times of my life were spent playing Halo 3 with friends. I'm sure most of us around here remember the H3 craze while we were all waiting for the release. ODST was fun for a while and I still like to occasionally play it (System link co-op is fun!) and Reach was... unique. Let's just say I have a love/hate relationship with it.

I think Halo 3 was the Climax of Bungie's Halo games. That game was legendary.

On-topic: I think Destiny looks pretty cool from the little that we have seen. I am really excited for when it comes. I'll have it reserved.
Edited by Corvette19 on Feb 19, 2013 at 10:20 AM

i definately agree, that was the one mission i always hated in halo 2
Edited by killzone64 on Feb 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Who cares? Some people like stuff, other people don't.
I loved uprising. It was awesome. Although I played it on foot instead of in a Ghost. And in co-op, with the Spectre. Co-op makes everything ... twice as good :-)

The things I loved about uprising was the up-close, nitty gritty combat between elites and brutes. The first bit where you have a Ghost, try that on foot. It's a very different experience, and I loved it. It had plenty of memorable moments, stuff Halo Reach and H4 really lacked on for me.

I know you dislike Halo 2, but repeatedly bashing it, using "tough" words such as "absolutely terrible" is just uncalled for. And I agree with Jaz' post about stating opinions as fact on essays, it's a stupid way to mark papers. Over here actual content is judged on essays, rather than sensation.

absolutely hated the brutes. they were no fun to fight at all, knowing that somewhere out of your line of sight was the last brute who would rush up and beat your face in. especially since they used brute shots, shotguns, rocket launchers, etc.

I disagree. Brutes were fun to fight even if their animations were less polished.
Especially if you had one of them Zealot allies on foot with a sword, a true sight to behold indeed.
Also, shooting their helmets off was good classic fun.

I freaked out the first time i saw a shotgun brute, i was like "wtf is going on?". the brutes sucked in H2, they were like brick walls with extra bullet-sponging properties.

I said it was a terrible designed mission. You're welcome to have fun playing it. some people have fun having sex with horses too.

EWWW BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm going to lower myself to your level here and say: you're a moron who is obvlious to rational argumentation.
Opinions != facts, how hard is that to get in your bovine skull? Yes, the animals that you take in the butthole daily to get them to do your work for you.

Cheers and beers good man, I'm out of this thread since you + pals are trying to ruin it again.

Nobody here's bragging about grades. Just pointing out that to get great grades, you usually have to state all opinions as facts.

Please try reading posts properly next time.

My only real problem with Halo 2 i guess, is the fact that it was rushed... The game had so much more potential, to be even greater than what it was. That, and those Jackal snipers on legendary... There is still some balancing issues to that i don't find to be good gameplay, but other than that the game was fine...Story and gameplay were okay, except for what was stated above. Halo 1 will still always be the best game in the whole franchise, to me Gameplay, story, weapons, encounters etc. I never have a problem replaying it...

I really hate this myth, because its not true. Bungie had 3 years to do H2. Three. In fact, they were given almost the entire console life to do the game. Had they waited any longer, Halo 2 would be coming out just as the 360 was being promoted. Bungie had plenty of time, they just didn't know how to operate as a big studio and f'ed up managing their time and their game.

I'll have to stop you there buddy, stereotyping other ethnic backgrounds is a no-go on the interent. plz k thnx bai

Well, it kind've is true seeing as they wasted their time with the demo...


Edited by Caboose 14 on Feb 19, 2013 at 06:06 PM