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Unoriginal doesn't mean bad.

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Lodex, I would agree in a lot of cases, but CMT seems to be actually making major changes so this isn't just a dull remake. This has the potential to be a decent remake.

This isn't like Halo Anniversary. This is a gameplay overhaul as well as a graphics overhaul.

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A remake, exactly.
Whereas there's other projects that are actually custom being made. Those deserve proper attention more than this rehashed work nr x. It's amazing how people will follow this kind of stuff more just because the people "behind it" somehow managed to get a known name. The sad reality of these forums, so much potential always going to waste thanks to the leadership of the same people...driving the same old rehashed machine over and over...and indeed over again.

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Yeah, give everyone a chance. this is a beast project. And Masterz, did you ever get the gondola AI working?

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If you considered ripping assets in the past as being a beast project, then this is beast too.
There will always be those less critical people who love everything made by someone with a big name, even if it's just a remake. Another remake. A remake which has shown zero of what it's all about: gameplay, encounters. All that's been shown so far is some BSP screenshots and a few cinematics. You cannot call a project beast based off just that. And if you realise Masterz is doing the encounters...shrug. Shrug indeed. He doesn't even understand the scripting syntax...he just copy-pastes from other maps and messes with it till it somewhat does what he wants it too. And that aside, his encounters in the past have been absolutely terrible...just look at some of the vids he had on his xfire, you'll know what I mean :p

Open your eyes people, there's alot more interesting creative stuff out there.
If you want to bump threads per sé, why not bump those? That's my original argument here. Hiralis bumped this, whereas he could have bumped a number of much more interesting topics. But ultimately, it's subjective. I can only try and open the eyes of those who do not (yet) see the value of such other projects, and open the eyes of those who worship the guy who's making...or rather leading yet another remake.

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But if you don't like this campaign, why not just ignore it? You have no right to demand that people look at 'more interesting creative stuff'. It's their choice.

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L2structureYoPost master noob, nobody's gonna waste their time reading that!

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L2structureYoPost master noob, nobody's gonna waste their time reading that!

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I read it.

And he's right.

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I second this.

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Reading a poorly formatted text establishes acceptance for poorly constructed posts.
Driving a car over a broken bridge establishes acceptances towards bridges that could break.

I don't expect you kids to understand my point though. It's like talking to kindergarten about derivatives.

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Reading a poorly formatted text establishes acceptance for poorly constructed posts.
Driving a car over a broken bridge establishes acceptances towards bridges that could break.

I don't expect you kids to understand my point though. It's like talking to kindergarten about derivatives.

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maybe we support this not because of who is making it, but rather because we want to see halo 2 in halo 1?

Halo 2's engine has features this engine does not, a remake would mean a tuned down version. I cannot imagine that most of you haven't played halo 2 in it's true form, be it xbox of PC. Therefore it makes little sense to play a bad version of it. But of course, I understand if some people did not have the chance to play halo 2, although I consider that to be unlikely.

Who are you to tell us what we like and do not like? we all have our separate interests. me, I couldn't care less about what CMT does with whatever campaign. I have halo 2; if I wanted to see the halo 2 campaign I would just play halo 2.

I'm not telling anybody what to like. I'm suggesting that there are other threads out there that deserve bumps more than this.

The fact that CMT is porting halo 2 crap into halo 1 is not what is novel about this; it is the fact that they are working to recreate halo 2 in their own vision that makes this unique. It might be horrible; they could mess everything up. It could be moderate; halo 2 may still be better. It could be fantastic; and that is what you are leaving out.

It's not CMT's vision being put in here, it's Masterz' vision. I know it will be bad...

Your only argument is that this project will fail because it is a remake, and that CMT is a bad team. so what? there have been many bad companies of whom create amazing gems once in a while, and there have been good companies that spit on their fans. you harp on people who support CMT; the same people who support many other projects of which you are speaking. do you mention them? one person bumps this and you claim that we are "less critical". congrats.

CMT isn't a bad team. But they could use their talent to make much better stuff. I also never said you were less critical for bumping this. That's just taking my suggestion out of context.

"I can only try and open the eyes of those who do not (yet) see the value of such other projects, and open the eyes of those who worship the guy who's making...or rather leading yet another remake." again; says who? why you? what is wrong with supporting something that garners interest? is that not how Lumoria gained support? nobody is really saying this is the best thing ever, yet you claim we know not the value of other projects. And if you are so against ripping assets from other games, then why does Lumoria use ripped and vanilla assets where, like CMT, you could have made your own? tech limits are no excuse; looking at all the other custom projects, many have their own custom assets(albeit most are bad).

The reality is that the CMT projects get the most attention for some reason, and their topics often derail into general purpose chat forums. This doesn't happen to other, smaller projects that have more potential. Why it doesn't happen? Who knows, perhaps this forum has been going on long enough that it has learnt it to be acceptable to use the CMT threads for random chat. As for comparing Lumoria to CMT...it doesn't make much sense. Our goal was to add on to the halo universe, not remake it. Therefore it made sense to use vanilla content. I don't think we ripped much either, and if we did it was only because we didn't have the manpower and time to make everything custom. For the rest it was nice new additions such as the Shadow vehicle and EM jammer. Lumoria isn't a ripped piece of work, nor a rehased remake. It added on to the beautiful halo universe in an original way.

I feel like your argument is purely directed toward Masterz for no real reason other than taking interest away from Lumoria. the way you word each and every post you make feels like you think of others as lesser people; opening our eyes? you, only?

If you can explain to me why CMT threads always become the centre of attention, often not even being about the CMT work (general chat threads), then feel free to correct me. But yes, people on this forum direct their attention to the most generic projects, even if there is nothing new to discuss about it. It doesn't happen in other project threads. Log in on halomaps, and it's always the same boring stuff at the top. Where nothing new is even being discussed or contributed. It's the sad truth of this forum nowadays. I do indeed miss the days when smaller projects got more attention, and there was alot more variety. Since CMT returned, the quality of the forum has gone downhill...

also, this thead was pretty buried and I had forgotten about it until this bump. the others are pretty recent on the "view new posts" thing.

It shouldn't have been bumped at all, that's even against the guidelines.

edit: reformatted for the lodemaster's eyes.

I thank you for taking the effort, and I have granted you a detailed reply :-)
Edited by master noob on Jan 6, 2013 at 03:49 PM

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Yes, Lodex, you make some good points. Though I can't really accurately comment on Masterz's skills, I suppose CMT's encounters aren't really amazingly well done.

But if you don't like this campaign, why not just ignore it? You have no right to demand that people look at 'more interesting creative stuff'. It's their choice.

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Thanks for reformatting your post, I shall adress it now!
Halo 2's engine has features this engine does not, a remake would mean a tuned down version. I cannot imagine that most of you haven't played halo 2 in it's true form, be it xbox of PC. Therefore it makes little sense to play a bad version of it. But of course, I understand if some people did not have the chance to play halo 2, although I consider that to be unlikely.

tuned down or not, we have yet to see. just because something has less features does not mean it is worse. things can be introduced, and bad things can be made better. some features may not be present, but that doesn't mean they can't be compensated for.

I'm not telling anybody what to like. I'm suggesting that there are other threads out there that deserve bumps more than this.

you are telling us what not to like, saying this project is bad. you are suggesting that there are other threads that deserve bumps more than this in your opinion.

It's not CMT's vision being put in here, it's Masterz' vision. I know it will be bad...

A personal vendetta against a single person does not destroy a project.

CMT isn't a bad team. But they could use their talent to make much better stuff. I also never said you were less critical for bumping this. That's just taking my suggestion out of context.

The members of CMT could use their talent to make whatever they want; currently, they want to make a halo 2 campaign for halo 1. otherwise, they would have opted out. also, "There will always be those less critical people who love everything made by someone with a big name, even if it's just a remake."

The reality is that the CMT projects get the most attention for some reason, and their topics often derail into general purpose chat forums. This doesn't happen to other, smaller projects that have more potential. Why it doesn't happen? Who knows, perhaps this forum has been going on long enough that it has learnt it to be acceptable to use the CMT threads for random chat. As for comparing Lumoria to CMT...it doesn't make much sense. Our goal was to add on to the halo universe, not remake it. Therefore it made sense to use vanilla content. I don't think we ripped much either, and if we did it was only because we didn't have the manpower and time to make everything custom. For the rest it was nice new additions such as the Shadow vehicle and EM jammer. Lumoria isn't a ripped piece of work, nor a rehased remake. It added on to the beautiful halo universe in an original way.

for something that gets a lot of attention, it sure was buried deep by new posts. The threads derail because of people who try and succeed to start arguments with hate-mongering and argumentative posts. CMT threads also get a lot of attention for their HD tags, namely effects, animations, weapons, etc. while their encounters and level design may suck, at least everyone wins HD resources(except the carbine and AR; those need more work). Original does not always mean good; a giant spinning floating chunk of metal with strep throat borders that line.

If you can explain to me why CMT threads always become the centre of attention, often not even being about the CMT work (general chat threads), then feel free to correct me. But yes, people on this forum direct their attention to the most generic projects, even if there is nothing new to discuss about it. It doesn't happen in other project threads. Log in on halomaps, and it's always the same boring stuff at the top. Where nothing new is even being discussed or contributed. It's the sad truth of this forum nowadays. I do indeed miss the days when smaller projects got more attention, and there was alot more variety. Since CMT returned, the quality of the forum has gone downhill...

One team does not define a whole forum; generations are changing for better or worse, and this forum happens to be in a depression what with HR bloodgulch maps and H3/R/CoD box maps being the next big thing. like dubstep(odd comparison) it is new; not everyone is partial to it, but there are still people who like it. The halo engine is pretty old; with all the new moddable games like skyrim, gmod, natural selection 2, etc around, modding for an old FPS engine seems low in priority.

It shouldn't have been bumped at all, that's even against the guidelines.

"Open your eyes people, there's alot more interesting creative stuff out there.
If you want to bump threads per sé, why not bump those?"