It's not "protection" so much as obfuscation, if you don't people to use your tags or maps than the only safe way is to not release them.

And that saying is just pointless, stupid and arrogant.

It's not pointless or stupid, because he's right. Anything you put on the internet can be modified by others.

That is true.
Don't release anything that you want to keep to yourself.A ripper can't rip what's not there.

Even with map protection.a person who wants something WILL find a way to get it,with or without permission.

If no one truly cared about their content getting unprotected, ripped, leaked,
overused or spammed, then there would be no protected maps.

Some may not care at all and some people will care a lot cause its their
time, sweat and soul that went into making something awesome or private.

Our of respect for that, protection is a great tool. And yes people will find a way around
as I have, and others can too. But sweeping protection under a rug would bring up
endless Variant maps with maybe great ripped content, but no quality of play or design.

Why don't we just improve the protection? Renaming just doesn't work as effectively anymore.

Because there is no point.
I am happy whenever the things that i choose to be free and in the wild are used by someone else.

Guess that's why he's a Dumb AI.

jokes



Yeah there is no point in protection

Edited by XlzQwerty1 on Apr 26, 2012 at 09:33 PM

Very funny,guys. You guys are just hilarious!

obviously,it was sarcastic

I get what you guys are saying but seriously,XlzQwerty,no need to insult my intelligence.

Edited by Dumb AI on Apr 26, 2012 at 11:24 PM

But your name is an oxymoron :(

Not really, if you put anything on the internet, unless it's copyrighted, you pretty much wave your right to call it your own, or keep it out of other people's hands.

No use in re-inventing the wheel, just let it rip.
Just say thank you, when you do.

Because it's a sign of respect. If you don't give a crap about how the person took their time in life to make something that you used to make your map, it shows you're not a decent person. Hence making people hate you. See what I'm getting at?

Probably some immature 10 year old who doesn't know proper manners and proper grammar.

You can't use Bungie's tags then

Bullox, if anything using ripped tags is a compliment to the original creator.
Using ripped tags in a non-profit engine really harms nobody + it saves time...it does not make you a bad person.

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Avé Wim.

DaniloC ripped Ghost from MW2 (obviously) and then Sphinxbio just asked him for the biped...

Isn't Sphinxbio a ripper?

Good idea!

*Lets it rip*

Ah... much better.

(Sorry, had to do it)

yeah, he's kinda the first person that comes to mind when I hear the word ripper :P

You might say he's the representative of all rippers, or the king of the rippers



Basically, if they had a medal for ripping, he'd get gold

Silver is Altheros.

I would be tin.Or garbage.

Really? When I hear the word ripper, I think Altheros pretty much instantly. Then again, I don't hold grudges, and Altheros is the only major ripper still active...

True, but nah, Sphinxbio is still probably the king of the rippers in history of ripping.
And Altheros is Shinxbio's chosen one.

Oh heck no.

Like Maniac said... when someone uses my stuff, it makes me happy. I honestly dont care if they credit me or not either, I wont be that stuck up about it. Its nice enough to know that someone likes your stuff either way and its interesting to see what they do with it. Its also nice for younger modders to rip content in case if their looking how to do a certain thing with a tag or learn from it.

...like ripping more stuff for bloodgulch?

Or check out it's properties in HEK and try to understand what each property does based on how the tag itself works in-game visually.

Tbh, if it weren't for rippers, I would have no knowledge AT ALL about Halo modding. Though I've barely really learned yet, more in-depth studying of ripped tags would help a lot. ;)

Seriously if your that hung up about Blood gulch mods, DONT PLAY THEM. I seriously dont understand what the deal is here. There will be a person who makes blood gulch mods no matter what if a map is protected or not.

My first map was a blood gulch mod, and look were I am now.

darkness samurai, you arent the first to be able bypass the protection. It has been worked out in the past and the programmer, on advice from the rest of the community - decided not to release the app.

The problem you have is even with the majority of people saying "yeah sure let people rip", even if one person says they wish for their content to be protected then you are breaking the trust of that one person.

Jaz, What an ignorant thing to say, you've only learn everything you know from someone stealing? How do you think the original tag creators worked out all this stuff? How was Halo originally modded? People took the time into discovering how Halo worked, they didnt rip any content. They worked at dicesting Halo and modifying the maps.

Personally I feel the app shouldnt be released, it will cause more harm than good and I really dont think people will genuinely learn how to make new tags by gaining access to ripped tags.

My point isn't about bloodgulch. It's that a lot of the rippers actually don't learn, and will just rip and don't care about the guy that actually took time to create the tags.

I just found the most retarded thread in existence.

It isn't stealing. It's bypassing.

All mods are legally Microsoft's property. Get over it.

I am against releasing rips without the creator's permission, but ripped content can be very helpful in teaching new modders.

And those people who worked at disecting Halo were already professional modders who probably learned to mod through other means at the time. No newbie to modding could look at the game scripts and check out maps and just somehow work it all out.

And those people who worked at disecting Halo were already professional modders who probably learned to mod through other means at the time. No newbie to modding could look at the game scripts and check out maps and just somehow work it all out.

Please dont assume. Considering you werent around then, and I was and I spoke to them on a regular basis - I'd say I'm more than 'qualified' to say it how it is.

You do realise, no game is exactly the same? To mod Halo you'd still need to learn everything about Halo, even if you were a master at modding other games (which by the way, most of them weren't). People still had to work out how the map file structure worked in Halo.

If its Microsoft's property, that just means you are stealing from them...Is it your write to own those tags that were compiled and protected by another map maker?
Edited by Limited on Apr 28, 2012 at 08:49 PM