Hello Halo Maps Forum members.

This is a trailer for an upcoming video about one of the greatest tricks/glitches ever accomplished in Halo: Combat Evolved (PC), the Ghost Froom. This trick is one of the most elaborate and complex tricks I have ever performed. It took several months to create it. If you have any questions about the trick please ask. I'll do my best to respond without spoiling too much before the final video.

Please watch and enjoy the trailer. I worked very hard on it. Feedback is appreciated.

Note: Asides from the use of flycam for detached-camera footage no third party programs, mods, trainers, hacks, or dev commands were used in the creation of this trick.


Direct Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHnDvnL1T0I


If you're scratching your head thinking "What did I just see?" Here's a hint:
It's a Ghost floating in the sky.


-Mator


P.S. This is a trailer. You're not supposed to understand the trick. Just enjoy the video and wait for the explanation until the final video, which will be released sometime in the next three months.
Edited by Mator on Aug 20, 2011 at 04:26 AM

Its funny cuz this is essentially a Halo 1 modding forum/community.
Interesting, I didn't know that people did 'tricks' or anything.
By the way. clicking the link didn't work for me, I had to copy and paste.

Sorry, I posted this on many different forums, some which weren't about Halo: Combat Evolved. I thought I edited every message properly, but I must have missed it here. Fix't link and that little mixup.

-Mator
Edited by Mator on Aug 19, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Mator :D

I don't get it...

That's me! :)




It's a trailer. You're not really supposed to. (And it's not like you can even begin to grasp it unless you have a background in tricking seeing as it is a trailer. Most people have responded the same way. Be patient until the final video. Until then, know it will be epic.)


-Mator

From what I see, you just got the ghost passed the celing of bloodgulch. The ghost is just sitting on top.

Ah, close, but not exactly. If it had passed through the ceiling of Blood Gulch, I wouldn't be able to get above it, now then would I?

Also, it wouldn't be at the funny angle, would it?

In my first post I say "floating in the barrier". I meant this literally. You can get vehicles inside of walls, portals, pillars, the ground, etc. in Halo. In this case I got a Ghost inside of the barrier, the invisible wall that surrounds the map to keep players and vehicles from leaving the "playable area".

;)
Edited by Mator on Aug 20, 2011 at 01:34 PM

everybody knows this!!!!

this is not the best discovery from halo ce.. its not necessary a trailer!!! you can use too the flycam and use the "cheat_teleport_to_camera" command.. and WHO! will you make another trailer with this idea?
Edited by Mangenkyo on Aug 20, 2011 at 02:02 PM

That would be the skybox faces of the bsp. These faces seal the world into sealed-world geometry and are collision-only. Projectiles are consumed by these surfaces, and they do not have a shader applied to them. EDIT: Or it's the playerclip faces, those only stop players and vehicles, and are also collision-only.
Here's an eample of the physics nodes on the scorpion tank, I don't know what the ghost's physics look like but I assume there are only like 5 bounding spheres.

Edited by SlappyThePirate on Aug 20, 2011 at 02:08 PM

I did this in Halo: Combat Evolved (fv). Not custom edition. We don't have access those dev commands in Halo: Combat Evolved. I did this legitimately, without assistance from such "dev" commands. Don't believe me? Look at my history. I've been tricking in Halo: Combat Evolved since 2006, I've been an active member on HIH and now jumprs.org for the past 4 years. I've created new and extremely difficult tricks on many occasions. See "Touching the Halo Ring in SP" and "Completing the Pillar of Autumn in a Ledge" for video examples. If that's not enough for you, you can wait until the final video comes out. Upon seeing it you shall certainly understand the legitimacy of this trick. I can guarantee it.




It's the playerclip faces. The skybox faces of the BSP are one layer out beyond the barriers I'm using. The barrier I'm using does not absorb particles.

I don't know what you're trying to show with the physics nodes of the vehicles, care to elaborate?

-Mator
Edited by Mator on Aug 20, 2011 at 02:19 PM

No, he didn't get outside of the skybox. He got the ghost ontop of the vehicle ceiling it looks like, or the playerclipping.
Edited by Higuy on Aug 20, 2011 at 02:32 PM

So, why are you posting here on a halo custom edition forum?

Since this is halo custom edition, we will do it the halo custom edition way, with debug_camera_save, debug_camera_load, and cheat_teleport_to_camera. Also, if you have enough force, you can get physics pieces through the walls, because they dont have extreme friction levels; this is easier on sharp geometry. I still don't see whats meant to be so special about forcing the physics nodes out of the map, other than players are unable to really use those vehicles until they respawn. If you didnt want the ghost useable, you would of turned it off in the gametype settings.

i dont know why do you want to trick Combat Evolved.. if you can trick Custom Edition in a more easily way...

It's actually inside of the playerclipping barrier.




I'm posting here because I posted this everywhere. I have some friends who are Halo: Custom Edition modders/map makers, and I wanted to post this somewhere where they could see it. Also, I figured some of those who are here might appreciate it. Perhaps I was wrong. (though some posts seem to suggest otherwise.)

Why do I not do it the custom edition way? Because that way is easy. Do you know what percentage of people could do that? Type in a few commands? Hmmm... I'd wager 100%. And do you know how long it takes to do that? Hmm... I'd wager a few minutes, counting starting Halo up and getting the camera to the right spot. So why do I do it my way? Because it's harder. It's about the challenge. There's a aphorism out there that goes "It's about the journey, not the destination." In this case, that applies quite nicely. The way I do things, though it results in the same thing which you can achieve with dev commands, is much more satisfying because it's much more difficult to do, and time consuming for that matter. To discover this method I had to wrack my brains and try things over and over for three months. That alone makes it pretty flipping impressive.

With enough force you can indeed force movable objects, like vehicles and players, through walls. Vehicles cannot be forced through flat surfaces (save through sinking, but that's a different method that doesn't involve force). Vehicles can only be forced through surfaces at sharp geometry. This means you can't just "launch" a Ghost into the player clipping barrier and expect it to end up inside of it. It just won't work. You have to use a much more complex method to get it inside of the barrier, which I'm not going to reveal before the final video.

What's so special about it is the process. The process reflects a deep understanding of how the game works as well as ingenuity and creativity. You're thinking too much about the applicability of the trick in the world of the game. You're thinking about things from the objective standpoint the game designers wanted you to think at. E.g. "the point of the game is to kill the enemy players in a slayer gametype." But what is the point of video games? Mainly to have fun, right? It's a form of entertainment. I entertain myself by solving puzzles to find and create tricks and glitches. This isn't how you're supposed to play the game, but if you have fun doing it, who's to tell you you're playing the game wrong? No one. Don't even get me started on how fun is relative, else I'll eat you up and spit you out like a dragon (like my avatar maybe? :P)




See my response above^ ;)



-Mator

@mangenkyo

convincing him to stunt custom edition is like trying to get a donkey to talk not gonna happen.

I would know been trying to get him to do it for years

Probably, I dunno, the trailer was kinda short and I dunno bloodgulch's geometry too well.
The vehicle stuff, I dunno, it looked like you got the ghost shoved into some bsp. Just trying to show that in Halo Custom Edition, you can really get to see why the game works the way it does... vehicle physics, bsp, and much more. By now I see you're basically a combat evolved player, you should try HCE.

I experiment on custom edition sometimes, but tricking/stunting no custom edition is uhh, what? Ok, if you do it without using cheats, like "cheat_teleport_to_camera" and such, it's exactly the same as doing it on combat evolved. And if you do use cheats you're ruining the point of doing the stunts because everything becomes easy. It's really stupid, tbvh, to use cheats or mods to do tricks. It gets old fast and offers no challenges.


Edit:


It's in the player clipping barrier, the one that keeps you launching vehicles on top of the cliffs.

I have Custom Edition and I have used it to experiment once or twice. I've done some basic modding/map making, including scenery creation. I've used 3ds max to open models and confirm my theories. Yes, confirm them. I have managed to get to know the game really well without Custom Edition through hypothesis and experiment (the scientific method). This is a founding principle (though most people don't reference it directly) of tricking.


-Mator
Edited by Mator on Aug 20, 2011 at 03:52 PM

I don't see much point of this video except for the fact that a ghost is stuck in the vehicle ceiling.

It's a trailer for a video about a trick.

It's supposed to show you "there's this cool trick out there that's super complex that involves getting a ghost stuck in a barrier floating above the map." So you can be like "that's really cool I'm excited for and curious about the final video!"

;P

Well, good luck, I wasn't excited but I hope others are.

50% are excited. 30% aren't. 20% are raging about it.

oh no... i need to say something?? lol

i dont care lol


ok Mator, you should continue wasting 5 hours of your time tricking combat evolved..

Mangenkyo out.. ;)
Edited by Mangenkyo on Aug 20, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Who are you? And why do I care about your opinion?

best lawl all day.

You come here, try and DEMAND an EXACT opinion lolol

This thread is entertaining, although the topic isn't. Keep arguing, and try to force opinions on people while telling them you don't care about their opinions, it makes great entertainment for me. Also, you are getting more views because this topic isn't taken seriously (idk if you would like to use that to your advantage, or weather it will lead to further entertainment for me, but either way, I am saying that to be informational.. weather it benefits my entertainment is up to you) The fact you have your video so over done, makes me want to facepalm, but then when I see the dislikes higher than the likes, if makes me feel at easy, and lawl as I look through the comments. Also, if my opinion means nothing to him, he wouldn't respond to this, would he? moar entertainment lol

Learn English, trying* to* demand an exact opinion. Also, he clearly is of the opinion that "I'm wasting my time" tricking in combat evolved. That's an opinion, you dolt. And I don't care about it, at all.



I'm not arguing, who's arguing? I haven't seen anyone present a logical position so far. I'm just responding to people's posts.

Also, I'm not trying to force opinions on anyone. You can all think whatever the hell you want, I can't change that. All I'm doing is telling you what the trailer's original purpose was, providing any clarification in the event of misunderstanding.

Oh and, it's spelled whether*. Again, you show an inability to use proper grammar.

Over done you say? First piece of constructive criticism I've had here. Too bad you didn't provide any foundation for that opinion. And relative to what? Over done, why? Honestly, compared to some Halo 3 montages this is hardly edited at all.

Oh and more grammar fail. "at ease*", using commas in incorrect places, "it* makes me", etc.

You're so "high and mighty" with your "watch and laugh" at everything, yet you can't even form coherent sentences. tsk, tsk, tsk.

Finally, I stated Mangenkyo's opinion didn't matter to me, not that everyone's didn't. Seems you can't even form logical thoughts, let along coherent sentences.

This thread was doing just fine before you and Mangenkyo showed up. Uf you don't have anything worthwhile to say, say nothing at all. All of your posts, and Mangenkyo's posts, have had no purpose save to cause confrontation. I'm sure that makes you feel great about yourselves.


-Mator
Edited by Mator on Aug 21, 2011 at 01:01 AM

何で私は英語を覚えて？これは本当おもしろい。And by the fact you reply to him proves his opinon means something. For me, your opinion is being my entertainment.


I guess its not the most indepth arguing, but im talking about the thread and youtube video as a whole. Stuff like the youtube video where you consider anyone who would dislike your video lower and such, aswell as you thinking it was wrong for them to not love your video.


Anytime there is negitive feedback, you give quotes of what you want them to say instead. Since your so high and mighty on the english language, feel free to tell me what you would like to call that.


そうか。これはおもしろい。

All those overkill logos, that styling? just show your video, information, get it over with; There are people in the world with bandwidth limits, and they do not need to waste there time. And if you where just gonna show the ghosts sitting there in this video, it would of been more bandwidth efficient to just use images, as well as integrating everything needed into every site, instead of having people read here, view on youtube, etc. (also, like my uncapitalized sentence start? you seem to love english so much)

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When did I say I was high and mighty? I said I was enjoying myself, when does laughing have anything to do with writing in english? laughing isn't part of any language.

Your stating that anyone who disagrees with your opinions is nothing, and you have left quotes of EXACTLY what your wanting people to tell you. Its (see that missing ' ?) quite illogical to want exact opinions yet discard any opinons you don't agree with.


lol, I am the only one who has provided constructive criticism here, yet I serve no purpose here.. Since you will dislike the implication I am about to explain, I shall let you think of that on your own. And its not that it makes me feel great, its that it entertains me, how many times do I have to say that? Is the point of this not to entertain people? Your saying it HAS to entertain someone in the way YOU directly choose? read post 15, its your own post, where you go on that games can entertain people in any way they choose. Your saying your thread should be treated differently, that it cannot entertain people in anyway they choose?..

Also, teh gud engrish nao i mist speck? seriously, spelling means nothing to me. I dont care weather people dont put ' in their don't, im just a lazy fatass with large manboobs.



Another word of advice, if you want to keep talking about clarifying what you meant with ever post you've made, pick PM or some other form of comunication (see dat spelling error? could fix it, but im not), because if things continue here, your thread will eventually be locked.

What you did Mator, is come to a forum full of people who use development tools to modify and create new content for the same game that you did this "trick" in. The fact that you used your "trick" to wedge a ghost into the player clip barrier is not interesting, nor exciting to anyone on this forum, as you might have gathered by the response you have recieved in this thread. Regardless of your method, anyone here with the simplest knowledge of dev commands can do exactly what you did, therefore, no one here cares. Take this to the forums full of 12 year olds who still play on Halo PC trick servers, where the community will be much more interested in what ever useless "trick" you have performed.

Have a nice day.

:)

/double facepalm

You have a nice day too, good sir.

-Mator


Edit: Thanks Dennis. /agreed
Edited by Mator on Aug 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Hey, by the way, I think you misunderstood the intentions of my post, my intention was to explain to you why the response you are getting in this thread is not favorable. The community here does not care why you did it the way you did. It does not require any deep understanding of the game, especially considering anyone here who mods, understands how the game works alot better than you do. So do us all a favor and take my advice in the bottom of the post, and take this to a different forum.

Actually I think it's fine for him to post these stuff here. You just don't have to read or reply to the thread at all if you're not interested.

exactly ;)

As much as I find it incredibly funny that people are actually starting arguments about this trailer, I'm going to have to put it down for one major reason.

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS PRIDE FROM DOING IT THE COMBAT EVOLVED WAY. Nobody else is actually doing it, so there's not much you can do in the video that can make them feel amazed that you did it in a way other than the easy way. You're still essentially doing the same thing, just a different way, but nobody else is doing it, so they don't care.