This would ruin any fun in game making. whats the fun if there is no competition, no bragging about how your engine runs twice as much as this one...
And i was being sarcastic, Gameplay is what matters. But you get what im saying.
I hope this never happens.

Good point, but they could still brag about their models being higher poly(Edit: I mean atom). It's just that the engine builders would get pretty bored :P
Edited by Jaz on Aug 4, 2011 at 07:14 PM

Because when they have better graphics it seems to make the developers worry about gameplay last, look at the crysis games for example.

All it really does is allow you to make round stuff rounder. You would still have to make the models.

Crysis gameplay's good. Brink on the other hand copies Crysis, but really really really badly.

Doesn't dx11 already do that?

Following this theory, I could make a box map for Halo and say that it's the gameplay that matters?

Which is exactly my point. There'd still be competition.

This eliminates a true polygon count. It's simply limited by the number of pixels you can show on screen at once.

But the gameplay for a box map is horrid and doesn't work.
So if you made a map with boxes, and somehow it played amazingly, then that would be awesome!

I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying a development teams first priority when designing a game should be gameplay, not how well something looks or how high-def it is. Alot of dev teams make the mistake of trying to make really pretty things, but then throwing the gameplay in. It dosen't work well like that (if you read one of Halo Reachs slides on development they actually did this on the first few levels!)
Edited by Higuy on Aug 4, 2011 at 07:19 PM

No, I mean if you design it for actual gameplay rather than making it look pretty first.

not really, all game developers could make high atom models without having to worry about their engine having a higher or smaller count than other engines.

So I would have to add more detail to the map to get better gameplay. See how it could go hand in hand with detail?



I agree. I was addressing one of the other posters who said that current gen graphics are fine.

(PS Dennis, could you make it auto-merge when you attempt to post twice in a row?)
Edited by chrisk123999 on Aug 4, 2011 at 07:21 PM

This unlimited detail thing has no effect on actual gameplay, it just adds more detail to a game that would most likely already have enough as it is.

Your missing the point. Assuming you have great gameplay, and plenty of time / money / resources to make the graphics better, why not?

rough geometry =/= polished geometry.

when I work on my own encounters i completley focus on the encounter first, nothing else. It really dosen't require looking pretty to be fun. pretty comes later once you know for SURE that gameplay is how it should be.

Then i'd be fine with it, but as it is, when developers have access to good graphics, gameplay seems to become an after-thought.
Edited by d4rfnader on Aug 4, 2011 at 07:27 PM

Plus there's mods from modders that have even more time.

Once again Higuy, I totally agree.

@Jaz: Not every game creator wants their game to be mod-able.
Edited by chrisk123999 on Aug 4, 2011 at 07:28 PM

It's a shame most dev's dislike modding, it extends the life of the game.

I think that's the main reasons Halo 1 PC is still played today.
Edited by chrisk123999 on Aug 4, 2011 at 07:31 PM

If you have higher detail, people will get more involved in the map.
The map Highlands in Halo reach not only plays really well, it looks pretty too, when i play this map, i feel more involved in the game.
That's what detail does, it gets the player into the feeling of "yes, this is where i am, this is what i need to do" Instead of just "Oh i have to kill you and hide behind this box"

This unlimited detail thing just seems like over-kill to me, but oh well, never been a huge fan of extreme detail in computer graphics.

Not really, obviously he's not privy to _any_ of their information, so he's really in no position to be immediately screaming it's fake.

"Or, more correctly, get excited about voxels, but not about the snake oil salesmen."
...

He's not saying it's fake, he's saying that it's not what they're saying it is.
Yes, the idea of infinite detail is good, but there are flaws that they're not addressing.

Did you even read his post?

SeL's right. He has no access to their algorithm. He can't know for sure that it's impossible until he's seen their idea for getting it to work. They stated themselves that it USED TO BE impossible. If it's real, then their algorithm is there to make it possible.

You guys are STILL fighting about this? jesus...

It's not happening anytime soon, especially CE..

This is not even Halo CE related, you just said to work with Halo CE so Dennis doesn't lock it. When clearly this has NOTHING to do with CE, nor can it work with CE.

(Don't say it can, because no one is releasing source code to make this, nor will anyone waste their time coding such thing for an 11 year old game.)

Actually, they did say you can import directly from 3ds max, maya, etc. so theoretically it could be possible to put atom models into Halo.

From 3ds max into their Engine. Not Halo's Engine....

Anyway, I just read something about how they repeated models and when models are repeated, only those few unique models have to be loaded individually. With this knowledge, could you not just build models out of lots of little repeated models?

can Dennis please lock this thread? its not halo related, as iHalo said. Im tired of it already...idk about everyone else.

and wth would my derp of a pm (julia gillard) give money to support halo. lol?