If Dennis finds this inappropriate, lock it and so be it.
But something has to change.
This is ridiculous-constant flaming of people. Telling people they suck instead of making them not suck. Map teams breaking up every day.
Just a couple of my opinions
Map teams fail because High school and college students are trying to collaborate with middle schoolers/ten year olds. Two different age and maturity levels, DOES NOT WORK.
People are too selfish. OK, so you make an amazing weapon model, why do we care if we cant have it? why would you make stuff like this to show off if your just gonna keep it to yourself?
And if someone makes a less then mediocre model-a boxy piece of crap, instead of saying, "You made a boxy piece of crap. Congrats.", tell them how to improve it.
Off topic threads are ridiculous. If someone posts their opinion on the OP's question, instead of flaming them because you disagree, PM them.
Most people are here to learn how to or to make content. If they are still learning, they obviously aren't going to be as good as you. So ditch the stupid selfish attitudes and provide criticism.
I'm not trying to force anything here, just some of my opinions. I'm hoping at least some of the people here are mature enough to realize that some things need to change.
Last thing i have to say-Please, please know how to handle a group of people and know how to make maps before you start a mapping team.
IDK, i guess i just want to know what you all think.'

Cool dennis. real cool.
Edited by abkarch on Nov 18, 2010 at 07:11 AM

Well since you brought up school, school itself plays a pretty large in mapping team's work as well. For example, I'm 100x more active in CE while on break or during summer than during school, just because of lack of time.


Well, just because you made it doesn't mean you're required to share it. Sharing is nice, but nowadays people are looked down upon because they want to keep things to themselves. I personally don't see anything wrong in that. A lot of the community seems really needy and demanding, and if there's one thing I hate, it's people who can't do things for themselves, and a lot of the community comes off that way. (Whether or not they actually ARE, I'm not sure. But they appear that way from what I see of them on the forums/xfire). Also, most people post works in progress for crit, not to advertise a release.


Yeah, that's it. The rest of your post I pretty much agree with. Even though it's been stated before and I doubt it will change anything :/
Edited by UnevenElefant5 on Nov 17, 2010 at 06:40 PM

While i agree with you to one extent, the point i was getting toward is that people SAY the model is going into CE, and then they just throw it aside. misphased that a bit

Yeah, i agree with you on everything there, good point abkarch.

Just to warn you though, this thread might end up in an all out flame war.

Well that sorta bring me back the the first point I made about school. There's a lot of things that go on in people's lives, especially as they get older. Younger members that maybe are in middle school or even freshman in high school don't have nearly as much as a senior or someone out of high school has to do. For example, I had a 4 day weekend last week that I was looking forward to using to work on CE, but I had 4 different projects to do, so there went the weekend. A lot of things just get forgotten because other things get in the way. I know that's happened to me a lot.
Like, soon, I'm going to have to start looking at colleges and then I'm going to graduate, I'll need a job too, and once I find a college I might have to move out, then I'd need to find a place to live near my new college. That's a lot and in the midst of that, CE is probably gonna have to take a back seat to everything else.
Edited by UnevenElefant5 on Nov 17, 2010 at 06:48 PM

THIS. Not going to name anyone in particular, but seriously, this happens wayyyy too often. It's even worse when, like you said, they don't release it - If they released an untextured model that they don't plan on finishing, then others could texture, animated, maybe even *gasp* in-game it. But, still not going into any specific names, some teams do nothing but post unfinished weapon models in the WIP thread, get some crit, then never release or finish anything.
Edited by doompig444 on Nov 17, 2010 at 07:17 PM
Edited by doompig444 on Nov 17, 2010 at 07:17 PM

Well that's what the WIP thread is for, getting crit. If they wanted to advertise their releases they could make their own thread, and then I could understand being upset, because they've stated that they will release it but they never do. However, to assume that things will be put ingame and released just because they're posted isn't right.
E: this is at doompig
Edited by UnevenElefant5 on Nov 17, 2010 at 07:22 PM

problem is providing criticism and giving examples usually leads to the person receiving crit thinking you're 1-uping them

I LOL'd.

But seriously, I don't mind if they use a translator to get their messages heard, but when they OBVIOUSLY aren't using them right, that kinda pisses me off. I speak spanish very well, and yesterday the spanish-to-english posts were NOT making sense in any way, in any language. I really do believe Juan wasn't asking for help or anything.

I agree. I wound up leaving the one mapping team I was a part of, I just dropped out of the community without saying anything actually. Still have a model I was UVW-ing for them. (Which I may finish and release if I can find out if it ever was/anyone cared/knows who to credit.)

Also, I can understand people getting upset if they're younger when people critique their work. Most times, they just need to try and understand it's to help. Sometimes it's people being idiots.

I don't even know what to discuss for once, you pretty much summed it up.

In with the lock lmao.
Edited by Caboose117 on Nov 17, 2010 at 07:58 PM