I surveyed the battlefield. The carnage that lay before me was too great to describe. A Hunter lay dead at my feat, the shotgun smoking in my hands. Alien gore splattered the bulkheads, and bodies littered the deck. But as I congratulated my Marines, I couldn't shake the feeling that there could have been more.

*Cue Dramatic Music*


Firefight hasn't changed much since its introduction to CE, and while some designers have implemented reward systems and new weapons, every Firefight map has the same basic layout: Small guys, followed by more small guys, followed by slightly larger guys, followed by big guys.

So why not mix things up a little? I've decided to utilize a section of CMT's A30 SPV2 as the basis of my map. Firefight maps are always too cramped, and leave little room to maneuver. Each round becomes a familiar pattern as the game progresses. The valleys of Installation 04 will leave players plenty of options when the bullets start flying. At the beginning, some areas of the valley will be off-limits, blocked off by massive shield barriers. But as you progress, shields will fall, and new portions of the valley will be unlocked.

Bonus rounds will be thrown into the mix, to give the player a break from the otherwise continuos onslaught. Covenant Banshees will take to the skies, attempting to flee the battlefield within the allotted time. Sucessfully downing them with the provided Surface-to-Air Missile Launcher will reward the player with anything from an overshield to an emplaced turret.

And of course, you can't forget the Boss Fights. To unlock other portions of the valley, players must defeat the area's Boss. They become progressively harder as you approach the final zone, and defeating them unlocks special weapons and powerups.
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So here's the request: While I posses a rudimentary knowledge of AI modification, I lack the skills required to create some of the unique actor variants I'll need for such a project. And I'm terrible at scripting, so I'll need someone to volunteer for that, as well. I hope someone takes an interest in this and decides to help out. I could use a hand.
Edited by Echo77 on Aug 29, 2010 at 03:13 AM

Map would be worthless without actually good AI encounters. Even if we gave you the scripts and AI variants, I've seen no evidence proving that you can actually place them in a fun, balanced layout.

True, I have little experience with the actual placement of AI. But I'm fairly confident that I could create fun encounters. And I'll be sure to make it balanced, after all, it's no good if I can't beat it.

Not to sound snappy, but I haven't seen evidence of anyone's Firefight maps having good encounters. They just seem to start with tiny guys and work up to big guys. There's no real variety, and everything falls into a rather predictable pattern.

You clearly haven't played B40 Firefight.

b40_firefight had it's flaws, mainly due to a pathfinding issue which was caused by a certain part of the BSP's layout. Other than that it only ran for people with somewhat decent computers.

But yes, it had quite a bit of variety considering the small space it took place in, and great explosive action too.

A30 itself has a great place for a firefight area, mainly the first structure of the first BSP in the default level. One could have that area as the main stronghold, and use the wide terrain between it and the tunnel-entrance for vehicular combat. The problem with this of course is you'd ultimately still get a repetitive experience, since you can only add so much different combat options within one space.

One could combat the repetitiveness with a varied sandbox of weapons and "rewards" though.

Like Russ Jackal said, the beginning of a30 is an excellent place for a firefight, becuase it was made for a firefight. It had multiple places to drop off enemies, flank them, hold out in cover, etc.

The BSP you've shown is in no way acceptable of such a firefight. What you should be doing is creating a completley custom model for the map. Draw it out on paper and try to make the best ways for awesome encounters, way to flank enemies, etc, etc. This is probably the only way you'll be able to create such a decent encounter that your hoping for, and it should start out with pencil, paper, and an idea.

This man speaks the truth. Not everyone also has the time required to make a good custom map. Next to that, not everyone has the professional tools to get stuff done right. Why do you think I'm waiting on a new computer and college to work on mapping again?

Still, I have to agree with Higuy; the first part of a10 would seem like a much better firefight location.

you'd have to ask lodex to bestow his firefight gifts upon you

Then find something suitable for a firefight location, becuase this isn't.

And even if "your not a pro at modeling", it dosent mean you cant try. My first map was a box map with tons of scenery and messed up UV's seen here:

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2748

stop complaining; start learning.

hi its called the weekend, and im an honor student k thx

however i wouldn't be surprised if you were a dropout, considering all the emotional problems you seem to have here and apparently outside of the internet, not to mention, you post all day and continue to start and create flame-wars like you just tried to do

Dear Zira,

Zira: 5.57 posts per day
Higuy: 3.58 posts per day

Get dominated.

-Russ Jackal

Dear Zira,

Your "arguments" are pathetic
You use opinions rather than facts

Get dominated once again,
Russ Jackal

Yeah? I doubt that from seeing the way you handle things.



Yeah; no.

You and Zira are complete idiots. I'm sorry that you guys can't realize that your own ego is massive and makes you look like idiots.
Edited by Higuy on Aug 29, 2010 at 11:32 AM

I'm glad you see it my way, your just stating that im correct by saying hes obviously not in my grade.

I never made a personal attack, merely said he was using opinions as an argument, which makes his arguments useless/pathetic.

Oh how I pitty narrowminded people like you
Keep it up though, if you must have the last word to feel good about yourself, I however have things to do and will no longer post in here!

-Skipdrow

I don't know what you're talking about; you were one of the first people to troll in this thread.

Are "opinions" are actually facts.

Oh and you have a signature as well, and it makes you look stupid.

Your contributions are not per sé actual contributions to other people, hence this argument was in fact staffed by your own opinion, not by an unquestionable fact.

You also offered no numbers or anything foolproof to staff your argument, I however offered numbers that completely put you and your higuy-posts-too-much argument to shame.

I win, you lose.

Mister Poultry Lover

Sorry that I don't actually contact people but have real friends that like me and want to help me.



So why are you still here? If you were smart you would of left this horrible community a long time ago.




umad that your wrong




OP:
Sorry that Zira had start a s***storm again.




Im 15 and in 10th grade

I clearly remember you stating you were 13, so don't try to tell me otherwise.

higuy, all i really think everyone was getting at was that not everyone has 3,000 dollars just lying around to drop on a design program and also not everyones computers can even handle one (my computers a piece of junk netbook ftw!) and i really don't understand what you guys are arguing about anyway? but yes, the first part of a30 would probably be a better choice than the one echo chose.

Gosh Dang HiGuy have Some Respect a lil bit, you cant just go around laughing at peoples disorders. It's not cool. Higuy lately you've been acting like a real Jerk so cut it out! No one said anything about your mental problems did they? No, so stop acting like an internet bullie dude. Picking on people just because there younger and have a mental handicap is not cool. Cause heck i knew a 12 year old girl who goes to my school she has autisam and depression yet she can memoriz over 800 digits of Pi. So Higuy Just ignore what he says you don't have to be a Jerk about it.


Any way back on topic. this could actually work if the encounters came in drop ships or in like wraiths and such, instead of just spawning right in the battle. and instead of walking you would get a distress call that a zone has been invaded so a pelican would come for you and take you to the next zone.
Edited by Slayer117 on Aug 29, 2010 at 12:40 PM

I'm not a jerk, just people here are very ignorant and my tolerance level for it has gone pretty far lately. Its becoming quite annoying to see flame wars in every single thread started by a bunch of new comers that obviously have no idea how to converse on a website or handle criticism or anything like it. I see quite clearly why modacity and alot of the other modding websites look down upon this website now.

I know I'm sick of all these new guys too, but their just gonna have to learn. But smash talking them like that is not gonna help.