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wrong nose design for the aircraft--the nose design is for a supersonic jet, you jet in-game will hopefully be considerably slower
Edited by SilentJacket on Dec 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: SilentJacket
[You should] ake it slightly faster [and] slightly more maneuverable, but don't make it so that it would be impossible to shoot them from the skies without an aimbot.

Quote: --- Original message by: CAG Gonzo
I wasn't expecting such enthusiastic responses about these aircraft. If you guys could just save them for when I put up the thread dedicated to their design, that'd be great.

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Sigh, this wouldn't be a problem if the engine power of aircraft weren't binary, and you could actually control its speed...
Also, thanks for pointing out the excess control surfaces, SilentJacket. One solution for that is to make the elevator and vertical stabilizer/rudder into one, like the failed YF-23..?


Me neither... Great to know I'm not the only aerospace nut here :P
I have some more suggestions, but I'll wait for that thread to give it, then.


As for your map, in general... The more I look at it, the more I feel like this could be a setup for a Campaign map.
Is there a chance you could get a few screenshots of the map, overall, so we can see your general progress?

Quote: --- Original message by: CAG Gonzo
Updates? How about yes! I've gone with my plan of moving red addendum beneath (ish) the new death island mixed with a beam emitter structure. There will not be a direct connection from within the base as planned, because I'd have to mess around with terrain too much, plus design a widely sexy interior hooking it all together. However, the vehicle tunnel will lie at the end of the "road" in front of the structure as planned. A new idea I went with was to extend the beam's shaft down further, connecting it up with the interior of red addendum. This brought about a fun new addition that replaced the huge and empty room connecting the main part of the addendum to the more personnel friendly side. See below.

http://s14.postimage.org/injjt2dr5/moar_red_plox.png
The new room, while actually a bit bigger than the last, is better designed. The ceiling is lower to take away from that dwarfing feeling originally present. The personnel friendly side now parallels the area. A portion of the hallway was partially mirrored to serve as a large access point. The beam shaft is evident and is the focal piece of the room.


http://s14.postimage.org/ps1d23l0h/moar_red_plox2.png
A view of the new room from the portion that connects to the addendum proper. Obviously the physical connection is incomplete. This view highlights the various design elements at play and hopefully lends a sense of scale to the room.


http://s14.postimage.org/o1ic0m3hd/moar_red_plox3.png
Here you can see the ceiling work. Rather than a bland opening for the shaft, it instead protrudes out a bit, meshing beautifully with the arches. The protrusion runs the length of the ceiling, also meshing with the other four arches.


http://s14.postimage.org/c0wvzvw2p/moar_red_plox4.png
Here you can see the new window into the large addendum space. The arches wrap around nicely to meet up with the original window framework. Portions of the exterior were moved to accommodate the new room and preserve symmetry.

http://s14.postimage.org/sq2x9ji1t/moar_red_plox5.png
As mentioned above, the vehicle tunnel will connect to the road. The tunnel right now is basic, as I removed most of the turns while playing around with the position. Once completed, I'm planning to restore some of the curves to prevent too much line of sight while traveling. The entire addendum isn't too far below the structure above it.

TODO: I have no idea what to do with the other end of the personnel side of the addendum. Right now it's floating around in space. I might try and connect another entrance somewhere. If I don't then the entire area is nothing more than a fancy dead-end (albeit with a teleporter or two).

Oh, and take a look at these:
http://s14.postimage.org/nid8rcc2p/cas.png
http://s14.postimage.org/5tlhzq0bl/cas2.png http://s14.postimage.org/uo4ztsl5t/cas3.png

http://s14.postimage.org/c4vatvqxt/nebula.png http://s14.postimage.org/4rfwux6w1/nebula3.png http://s14.postimage.org/dxy7i7c4h/nebula2.png

I CANNOT take credit for the basic airframe design. I found both models in a pack of four on turbosquid.com. I don't know if it's still up or not. They were made in GMax but I got them into max (when I had my Max 8 trial many a year ago) and did some work. All the talk about them made me miss them, so I hunted them down and was pleased to find them both further along than I had expected.

The CAS (the first aircraft) has a chin-mounted Gatling gun, landing gear, canopy, two boom-mounted pylins for rocket pods (not shown) and will have four wing hardpoints for two bombs and two missiles. It's designed to be anti-ground more than anti-air.

The second aircraft (dubbed the Nebula) is designed to be more of an F-22 type platform (not in sexiness or pure drool-inducing awesomeness) but in role: air superiority with capabilities for ground engagements. It has four high-power belly-mounted cannons, two fuselage mounting points for bombs (pictured) and two wing hardpoints for a two-rack of anti-air missiles (sourced from the F-18 thingy).

The models still need a lot of work. Smoothing, optimizing (the landing gear on the CAS has over a thousand polys; when I made them I didn't have a concept of poly limits in CE. I just thought people were lazy. That's how old these are haha), they both need animating and marker-ized, plus they need unwrapped and bitmaps need designed. But I did process them into basic tags (including the PLAAR [Pod-Launched Anti_armor Rockets] and bomb [which is kinda like a JDAM]) so I do have a good start. If I wasn't invested in my map I'd be working on these.

The Nebula has separate control surfaces that I'd like to animate based on movement (like the Pelican; ailerons and canards move with respect to roll; elevators with pitch; rudders with yaw; flaps with speed [down when slowed/stopped, up when moving]). Both aircraft will have landing gear and bays which will need animating, as well as the canopies. Oh, and their is virtually no cockpit to these things so I need to do that. So a decent amount of modeling work.

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put this in the map http://ihalo.org/3ds/POA-3ds.jpg

Quote: --- Original message by: CAG Gonzo
Funny that you mention campaign. I was considering dabbling in that...I may or may not already have some assets for such an endeavor...

Current poly count: too d*** high! The part of red side I'm keeping is around 20K. But I am considering deleting the addition to red's base (a portion of the security atrium from b30), saving over 5K. Also, I have yet to optimize the cliffs. I'm keeping them high-poly just in case I end up trimming enough polys off the rest of the map to allow me to keep them as such.

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this thread started Aug 21, 2010............
just sayin

Quote: --- Original message by: callum12341
Yeh but in the last few pages there's been some solid work done and quick replies from the author, so looks like it's getting back into gear hopefully.

Quote: --- Original message by: Ubergoober
this thread started Aug 21, 2010............
just sayin

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Yes. My last final is this Monday then I go on a month long break where I'll have ample time to make some more progress. Lately I've been able to get some work done not only because of recent inspirations and the insatiable desire to model Forerunner tech, but also because my academic load has declined lately given that the semester doth draw to a close.

It's tempting to continue work on the aircraft, but I'm going back to Requiem. Red side is soooo close to completion I can almost taste it.

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Red side looks great. I absolutely love the beam emitter structure. A bit sad that the cruiser is gone but it had to be done...
Edited by nick347b on Jan 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Quote: --- Original message by: Skidrow925
Is it possible that there are flipped faces? That would be my first guess. Other possible answer is that is might somehow have a texture with some transparency, or a texture somehow not set to block the sun... I don't really know if that is actually possible or not though.