I think the biggest functional map would be Extinction sized, and even that's pushing it.

remember, the larger the map, the more likely that vehicles will be your only mode of transportation, so I recommend employing a series of teleporters with obvious destination locations (like in sidewinder) as opposed to randomly spaced teles to encourage walking too.

also, crashed covenant carrier plox?

Well, with OS, the biggest functional map would probably be slightly bigger.

But yeah, regardless of how big the map can be technically, if the map's too large, transportation will be harder to deal with. Hope there will be teleporters or some other method of making walking possible without major boredom.

Obviously no one is seeing the true potential in this map. By automatically saying it's "Too big or not even max players will make this fun."

Gameplay: CTF: Chase down that one guy in a jet, hog, or what ever you have in a huge open area or in the chambers hidden below to get the kill and feel victorious.

Slayer: Teams will have to work together to go against the enemy so they can all stay together and not get separated and take on the enemy with full force knowing that the opposing team could just be random non talkers and they get ganged up on by 8 people.

Role Play/Machinima: This map is just screaming role play and machinima. With a map this large you have so much to choose from. Every time you progress you will find more and more of the map you never saw before.

There are more ideas to this map you just have to think outside of bloodgulch people.

for ctf please make sure there are 3 or more ways of getting into the base to make it easier to get the flag and to prevent base camping, nothing worse than travelling 3km to get repeatedly camped on by some noob with a rl in the same spot

and what the hell happened to the epic bridge from page 1?!?!
Edited by Ubergoober on Nov 2, 2012 at 09:32 PM

"Gameplay: CTF: Chase down that one guy in a jet"

We better get lock-on rocket launchers... >.>
Edited by P3 on Nov 2, 2012 at 09:48 PM

And a jet-like plane that's fitting in Halo instead of a crappy, boxy version of an F-18...

and remove the homing rockets, or even better remove the rockets all together on the jet.

they are waaay overpowered, and cheap

I think a single gatling gun would be best
Edited by SilentJacket on Nov 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Only after you change its turn rate and tweak its movement in general...
Right now, it's even more agile than Banshees. Have you ever tried shooting down
jets with another jet with just the machine gun, before?

It doesn't work; the homing rockets are really the only ways I think you can
make the plane more balanced...

I think the rp maps push the limit more than extinction...

except most people used the jets to spawnrape the infantry with the homing rockets

It's possible to shoot down jets with another jet with just the machine gun. It's difficult but possible. But if you're going to initiate in a battle like that, then you should be prepared for the risks and the difficulty. You could just avoid initiating battle with other jets. It's quite simple.

In regards to homing missiles, a possible solution could be to give them a charging/"lock-on" time. Not only would this provide an excellent oppurtunity to add the notorious *beep beep beep beeeeep*, but it would also create a bit of delay between spotting a target and actually firing on it.

Homing rockets are never an issue, it's called just out maneuver the other jet firing the rockets so he can't get a lock on, and even if he does swerve and the rockets will miss you. If you have issues with homing rockets you need to play more extinction obviously.

What about those on foot? Not everyone will be in jets.

I think it would be a good idea to limit jets' homing missiles. They can be very irritating for those on foot or in slow vehicles.

Anti-materiel rifles or shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles.

You all bring up good points. However, these are issues that will be addressed in the beta phase. Right now (alpha) focus is on design. If you could limit your discussions to design, it would speed things up. Then pour your heart out when beta time rolls around.

yes, because I can hit a 6 pixel dot on my screen moving at about 120 kph....

I can, but yeah, rifles aren't the best of solutions.

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Edited by Jaz on Nov 3, 2012 at 05:00 PM

why not make it so that the jet has a gatling gun? It was best as a flag running vehicle anyway (and even then, it was OP)

For those who are saying just snipe them, or use a rocket

1) the jet rockets are homing, the infantry ones are not
2) it is just as hard to hit a jet with a sniper rifle, as it is to use a sniper rifle while in the jet.

jets get homing rockets with wide splash damage, infantry get slow, non-homing rockets, and snipers are just out of the question, when coupled with sub-bar PING

Oh nvm.
Edited by P3 on Nov 3, 2012 at 05:04 PM

What if plasma grenades could also be used as flares that can throw off the homing missiles'
tracking feature?
This could also be used by Pelican passengers when they're being attacked by other aircraft,
too, so that they won't just be sitting ducks during a dogfight..?


...but right. Sorry, back to the design. I haven't seen your design updates in a while, so I'm
glad you were able to crop it down to a size that Halo won't automatically clip.
Now to see if it won't be enough of a pain to look for people... It'd suck when you can finally
get people to join a custom-map server, only to never be able to find your enemies...

also, fix the covvy vehicles and weapons, most of them are far underpowered (I hit a jet with 4 full clips from the anti-air cannon, and didn't even slow it down, in fact I was mowed over by its homing missiles)

I have attached a full breakdown below:


<Vehicles>

...Highspeed vehicles

COVY
Serph
-shoots crosseyed
-secondary fire is underpowered
-primary fire is underpowered (mostly beacuse I can't even hit the target

UNSC
Jet
-homing rockets
-dead accurate


...Carrier Vehicles

COVY
Phantom
-shoots straight
-no secondary fire
-low ROF

UNSC
Pelican
-superior armor
-slightly faster (and better cornering)
-homing rockets
-gatling gun

...Heavy air support

COVY
<none>

UNSC
Longsword fighter
-nuke
-homing missiles with no cool down

...Light Ground support

COVVY
revenant (ish, forgot the name)
-requires two operators
-fast, but weak projectiles
-relatively fast

ghost
-destroyable
-fuelrod cannon
-default speed

UNSC
Chaingun warthog
-requires two operators
-High ROF, High-damage
-very fast

...Heavy Ground Support

COVVY
<none>

UNSC
Gauss hog
-fires one gauss round
-fast

Rocket hog
-fires 4 homing missiles
-fast

Tank
-primary fire is one high-velocity round
-secondary fire is gatling gun fire
-very fast

...Ultra Heavy ground support

COVVY
scarab (but it kills PING, and no fair player uses it)
-Primary fire is a low ROF, high damage burst
-secondary fire is only useful if the target is directly in front of it
-very vulnerable underside

UNSC
Mythos
-tracking gauss rounds
-hugs the ground, no underside vulnerability

...Stationary support

COVVY
"Scarab Towers"
-highly vulnerable
-slow
-can only hit slow-moving targets

UNSC
<none>

<Weapons>

...sniper rifles

COVVY
Beam rifle
-ok-ish
-very limited range

UNSC
a wide assortment of various role-specific rifles
-most display no range limit

...Shotguns

COVVY
<none>

UNSC
<yes>

...close assault

COVVY
Plasma rifle
-med ROF
-strips shields

UNSC
SMG
-high ROF
-low damage

AssaultRifle
-med ROF, balances with Plasma rifle

...Heavy ordinance

COVVY
Anti-air fuel rod gun
-homing
-low damage

UNSC
C4 charge
-single use
-very high damage

Bomb
-single use
-very high damage

Rocket Launcher
-heavy damage



tl;dr

I know everyone roots for the humans, but really, the covenant here just get mowed over, in terms of firepower, cover, and vehicle capabilities.

please let this version not make the same mistakes

I think he's already established most of the flaws inherent to the original Extinction on previous pages.

He is correct. Please see the first page for more information. Also, let me just go ahead and say a few things:

All vehicles will be effective at some things and ineffective at others. Same with weapons. Obviously one jet isn't going to be good against a Scarab, nor will one Pelican. But several just might...

If I add in something powerful, like homing missiles, powerful Gatling guns, never-ending rockets, nukespam, or anything else, you can bet there will be a way to counter it. I hated all-powerful Longswords who nukespammed, or Pelicans who wouldn't die (except for me, of course). I want a balanced gameplay experience.

There will be well-placed teleporters for easy travel.

I understand a map not much smaller than Extinction stands a chance at a lot of lulls between combat. That is inherent with big maps, unfortunately. The only solution is a smaller map or more players and only one of those options is possible. With all the vehicles and teleporters I would imagine it wouldn't be too hard to encounter people in a decently populated game. But we'll see. Playtests will reveal all.

You know, it's really too bad that CE can only support 16 players at a time. With 32 or even 64 people (If that many people are even playing CE at a time) these huge maps could really get hectic.

umm......... epic bridge?

actually, one pelican is effective against a scarab, you just hover underneath it and fire rockets at its underside

For a fighter jet why don't you try making one of these :

F-99 Unmanned Fighter Jet from Halo 3: ODST:



I know it's unmanned, but oh well, it'd still be cool to use.

There's always the option to make your own original, manned version of it, too :P
(If you do end up making one, please release the tags... It'd be cool to see it on
other maps, too!)

Or, you can fly under it and flip it.

Physiks at play? A tiny little plane lifting a 3990 metric ton walker? Even though that little plane can only carry 70 tons?

Fret not! For I shall do my best to balance vehicle and player combat for a more realistic experience.

I actually tried making my own fighter. It was gonna be amazing...a chin mounted Gatling gun (A-10 style), several hardpoints for bombs and pod-launched rockets, and flight characteristics similar to the Pelican (though if I re-attempt it, it would be more like a replacement for the F-18 thingy). It was based off of a model in a model pack I got from turbosquid.com. The Earth force pack, I think. It has 4 aircraft. Unfortunately, my work was lost when my hard drive sizzled over 3 years ago.

If I reattempt the design the tags would be publicly available immediately.

Woah, what? You didn't lose anything else related to the map, I hope?

I hope not, too.. o.o

If you end up not being able to recover your work, I found something that might
be a good substitute... Halo 4's new Broadsword jet!

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/F-41_Exoatmospheric_Multirole_Strike_Fighter

What do you think?

I stated that this occurred over 3 years ago. It was before I started this project, or at least seriously started it. I was new to 3D modeling at the time so the BSP I had at that time was absolutely horrid.



I think not. It's ok in Halo 4, but it looks too organic and not even close to what I would think would be an actual space-fighter design.

Why?

The nuclear warhead is secured in what looks like a flimsy rack directly underneath the cockpit. That doesn't strike me as sensible. Most aircraft these days have internal bomb bays capable of storing nuclear devices (granted many aircraft are capable of carrying them on external hardpoints, but as the name suggests, they are hardpoints, not wire racks).

And then there's the two cannons on the Broadsword: they're fixed to a small mounting point on both sides of the fuselage. The last time guns were mounted in external pods on a fighter (that I can remember) was on the F-4. And even then it wasn't as optimal as internally mounted cannons. I don't know if the Broadsword is designed for atmospheric engagements as well, but if it is, then I'm having a hardtime envisioning it flying well, even with state of the art, 26th century fly-by-wire tech. And if it's rated for atmospheric entry and egress...well that's gonna be interesting to see.

Overall, though, I enjoy flying it. It is much the same as the Sabre. However, such aircraft are not what I have in mind. I want an atmospheric-only fighter and attack multirole platform. As described, my design had a chin mounted Gatling gun, two rocket pods (each holding 7 rockets, designed for anti-air) and four additional hardpoints for two medium sized dumb bombs and two homing missiles. It was supposed to be the replacement for the F-18 thingy. I didn't make the main fuselage design; I modified it to have the additional fighting capabilities mentioned above. I really want to resurrect the project. CE good use a new sexy, multirole aircraft.