*clouds of never-ending sadness*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....!

Will it use any of the things you were going to include in Requiem, in terms of weapons, vehicles, etc?

he didnt say he was going to stop, its just stopped until someone can figure out what the heck is wrong with it.

I won't say anything else about my other map. It'll speak for itself someday. And as abkarch said, I'm not stopping, but work is stopped until this obstacle is overcome, either through my efforts, other's efforts, or a combination of both.

Add me on xfire and well take a look at the situation.

xfire: higuy5

If you don't have xFire, pm your details.

I sort of hate to suggest this, but could it be because it's just too big?

Give Kornman a call on Halomods. He can probably help. If the issue is just that your map's too big, you can probably convince Kornman to give you a copy of OS. ;)

too big? I've made immense maps and never hit this issue. This problem I've had countless times doing typos on the level name or BSP name. I'll post again in case it might help you: Tool lightmaps levels\test\leveldirectory\scenario BSPNAME 0 0.999999

This is the fastest you'll get. Many people don't understand the difference between the SCENARIO and the BSP in the tool lightmaps.

yup it's fast but it's low quality imo. you should try higher settings IMO.

Your maps may be immense in terms of area usage, but ummm....

You appear to have forgotten QUALITY.

Just saying...

Oh, snap.

Unfortunately, the truth hurts, my friend.

Stay thirsty.

Quality is not an issue until troubleshooting is complete. You have to take logical, repeatable incremental steps when troubleshooting a problem. You start with a known then work either forwards or backwards to find the problem.

But regardless of quality, he got a whooole lotta downloads, and there are still servers that host his maps.

News: the Max 2012 OBJ importer corrupts the model. I never considered this until I tried to import the a30_b mesh and it looked a lot like the requiem import. I used the Max 8 importer and lo and behold: the map looked exactly the same, short of some flipped faces in places.

What the heck is wrong?

I had trouble with OBJ importers, because of regional settings and decimal separator for floating number coordinates, I never could fix this tho...

Try changing your regional settings on american

or stop trying to export as .OBJ and try .3DS or the many other export types. if the problem persists then unfortunately my usefulness to this particular endeavor has come to an end.

hope you got the reference

gr8 map i hope you get to fix those issues
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Edited by ChBgt909 on Feb 6, 2012 at 04:50 PM

so how is this going? haven't heard anything for a while now.

No updates. Portals suck. Map no appear in Sapien. Not sure what to do. I can't even export my map for others to look at unless they have Max 2012.

The OBJ export seems to be ok, but IDs and smoothing groups are lost. Plus sometimes the normals are incorrect, resulting in flipped faces in random spots. Oh, also, my OBJ exporter only works for Max 8. The one for Max 2012 exports a garbled mesh. So basically the Halo/3D modeling gods have decreed my venture futile and have thrown as many obstacles as they can muster into its path.

that sucks
well i got a solution... 2 actually... you can either ask for help from a pro or...
remake the portals, portals for bsp must not be intersected (a plane in horizontal and another one vertical crossing it), i recommend you to remove the portals, build the bsp again and check if the portals are the actual problem here, good luck
~edit~
i'll post a picture of the way i use to make portals, i never get errors that way

here it is:

1.- make a plane, and turn it into a mesh/poly


2.- clone it, but keeping it as part of the same object


3.- use the "create" tool and create faces between those planes


maybe this little tutorial was unnecesary, maybe u already knew this... but i'm just trying to help you again good luck
Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 7, 2012 at 09:47 PM

Do these un-updatable edges cause problems with portals?
Edited by XlzQwerty1 on Mar 7, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Well, don't get discouraged, Gonzo. There's no such thing as an insurmountable obstacle. Just keep working at it, and don't be afraid to ask for help. Try the 3DSMax support forums or some other modeling community if you think you can't figure it out on your own.

No such thing as insurmountable obstacle, huh? Try making a 3cm^3 chunk of pure Ag hit with a force of 400 Padajoules (400,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules of energy) while going roughly 0.3c (Speed of light) and NOT melt in mid air. (I love how you can get a grant for ANYTHING as long as it sounds important)

But yeah. Best of luck to ya Gonzo!!! I really want to see this finished sometime.

-S925




Hope you like English.

Article 1 WORDING; Section 1: "Well"

Well
noun \ˈwel\
Definition of WELL
1a : an issue of water from the earth : a pool fed by a spring b : source, origin
2a : a pit or hole sunk into the earth to reach a supply of water b : a shaft or hole sunk to obtain oil, brine, or gas
3a : an enclosure in the middle of a ship's hold to protect from damage and facilitate the inspection of the pumps b : a compartment in the hold of a fishing boat in which fish are kept alive
4: an open space extending vertically through floors of a structure
5: a space having a construction or shape suggesting a well for water
6a : something resembling a well in being damp, cool, deep, or dark b : a deep vertical hole c : a source from which something may be drawn as needed
7: a pronounced minimum of a variable in physics <a potential well>
Examples of WELL

<his quirkily dysfunctional family proved to be a bottomless well of inspiration for the novelist>
<the spot where the spring bubbles up to the surface and forms a deep well>

Origin of WELL
Middle English welle, from Old English; akin to Old English weallan to bubble, boil, Old High German wella wave, Lithuanian vilnis
First Known Use: before 12th century

Synonyms: cradle, font, fountain, fountainhead, origin, root, seedbed, spring, source, wellspring

Well
verb
Definition of WELL
intransitive verb
1: to rise to the surface and usually flow forth <tears welled from her eyes>
2: to rise like a flood of liquid <longing welled up in his breast>
transitive verb
: to emit in a copious free flow

Origin of WELL
Middle English, from Old English wellan to cause to well; akin to Old English weallan to bubble, boil
First Known Use: before 12th century

Well
adv
bet·ter best
Definition of WELL
1a : in a good or proper manner : justly, rightly b : satisfactorily with respect to conduct or action <did well in mathematics> <works well under pressure>
2: in a kindly or friendly manner <spoke well of your idea> <wished them well>
3a : with skill or aptitude : expertly, excellently <paints well> b : satisfactorily <the plan worked well> c : with good appearance or effect : elegantly <carried himself well>
4: with careful or close attention : attentively <watch well what I do>
5: to a high degree <well deserved the honor> <a well-equipped kitchen> —often used as an intensifier or qualifier <there are … vacancies pretty well all the time — Listener>
6: fully, quite <well worth the price>
7a : in a way appropriate to the facts or circumstances : fittingly, rightly <well said> b : in a prudent manner : sensibly —used with do <you would do well to reread the material>
8: in accordance with the occasion or circumstances : with propriety or good reason <cannot well refuse> <the decision may well be questioned>
9a : as one could wish : pleasingly <the idea didn't sit well with her> b : with material success : advantageously <married well>
10a : easily, readily <could well afford a new car> b : in all likelihood : indeed <it may well be true>
11: in a prosperous or affluent manner <he lives well>
12: to an extent approaching completeness : thoroughly <after being well dried with a towel>
13: without doubt or question : clearly <well knew the penalty>
14: in a familiar manner <knew her well>
15: to a large extent or degree : considerably, far <well over a million>
See Usage Discussion at good
— as well
1: in addition : also <there were other features as well>
2: to the same extent or degree : as much <open as well to the poor as to the rich>
3: with equivalent, comparable, or more favorable effect <might just as well have stayed home>
Examples of WELL

“How did everything go?” “It went well, thank you.”
She works well under pressure.
I did surprisingly well on my history test.
The company is doing well.
He has his own business and is doing well for himself.
You got a perfect score! Well done!
She sings and plays the guitar quite well.
The essay is well written.
He doesn't smoke or drink, and he eats well.
She doesn't treat her boyfriend very well.

Origin of WELL
Middle English wel, from Old English; akin to Old High German wela well, Old English wyllan to wish — more at will
First Known Use: before 12th century

Synonyms: acceptably, adequately, all right, alright, creditably, decently, fine, good, middlingly, nicely, OK (or okay), passably, respectably, satisfactorily, serviceably, so-so, sufficiently, tolerably
Antonyms: bad, badly, deficiently, ill, inadequately, insufficiently, intolerably, poorly, unacceptably, unsatisfactorily

Well
interj
Definition of WELL
1—used to indicate resumption of discourse or to introduce a remark <they are, well, not quite what you'd expect>
2—used to express surprise or expostulation <well, what have we here?>
First Known Use of WELL
before 12th century

Synonyms: ah, aha, come on, fie, indeed, my word, pshaw, no, what, why

Well
adj
Definition of WELL
1a : prosperous, well-off b : being in satisfactory condition or circumstances
2: being in good standing or favor
3: satisfactory, pleasing <all's well that ends well>
4: advisable, desirable <it might be well for you to leave>
5a : free or recovered from infirmity or disease : healthy <he's not a well man> b : completely cured or healed <the wound is nearly well>
6: pleasing or satisfactory in appearance <our garden looks well — Conrad Aiken>
7: being a cause for thankfulness : fortunate <it is well that this has happened>
Examples of WELL

The children are well again.
I don't feel very well.
You don't look so well.
I hope you get well soon.
I hope all is well with you and your family.

First Known Use of WELL
before 12th century

Synonyms: able-bodied, bouncing, fit, hale, hearty, robust, sound, healthy, well-conditioned, whole, wholesome
Antonyms: ailing, diseased, ill, sick, unfit, unhealthy, unsound, unwell

Article 1 WORDING; Section 2: "Don't"

Don't
\ˈdōnt\
Definition of DON'T
1: do not
2: does not
Usage Discussion of DON'T
Don't is the earliest attested contraction of does not and until about 1900 was the standard spoken form in the United States (it survived as spoken standard longer in British English). Dialect surveys find it more common in the speech of the less educated than in that of the educated; in those places (as the Midland and southern Atlantic seaboard regions) where it has lasted in educated speech, it is most common with older informants. Surveys of attitudes toward usage show it more widely disapproved in 1971 than it had been 40 years earlier. Its chief use in edited prose is in fiction for purposes of characterization. It is sometimes used consciously, like ain't, to gain an informal effect.
First Known Use of DON'T
1639

Don't
noun \ˈdōnt\
Definition of DON'T
: a command or entreaty not to do something <a list of dos and don'ts>

First Known Use of DON'T
1894

Article 1 WORDING; Section 3: "Get"

Get
verb \ˈget, ÷ˈgit\
gotgot or got·tenget·ting
Definition of GET
transitive verb
1a : to gain possession of b : to receive as a return : earn <he got a bad reputation for carelessness>
2a : to obtain by concession or entreaty <get your mother's permission to go> b : to become affected by (a disease or bodily condition) : catch <got measles from his sister>
3a : to seek out and obtain <hoped to get dinner at the inn> b : to obtain and bring where wanted or needed <get a pencil from the desk>
4: beget
5a : to cause to come or go <quickly got his luggage through customs> b : to cause to move <get it out of the house> c : to cause to be in a certain position or condition <got his feet wet> d : to make ready : prepare <get breakfast>
6a : to be subjected to <got a bad fall> b : to receive by way of punishment c : to suffer a specified injury to <got my nose broken>
7a : to achieve as a result of military activity b : to obtain or receive by way of benefit or advantage <he got little for his trouble> <get the better of an enemy>
8a : seize b : overcome c : to have an emotional effect on <the final scene always gets me> d : irritate <the delays were starting to get her> e : puzzle f : to take vengeance on; specifically : kill g : hit
9: to prevail on : cause <finally got them to tidy up their room>
10a : have —used in the present perfect tense form with present meaning <I've got no money> b : to have as an obligation or necessity —used in the present perfect tense form with present meaning <you have got to come>
11a : to find out by calculation <get the answer to a problem> b : memorize <got the verse by heart> c : hear d : understand <he got the joke>
12: to establish communication with
13: to put out in baseball
14: deliver 6b <the car gets 20 miles to the gallon>
intransitive verb
1a : to succeed in coming or going : to bring or move oneself <get away to the country> <got into the car> b : to reach or enter into a certain condition <got to sleep after midnight> c : to make progress <hasn't gotten far with the essay>
2: to acquire wealth
3a : to be able <never got to go to college> b : to come to be —often used with following present participle <got talking about old times>
4a : to succeed in becoming : become <how to get clear of all the debts I owe — Shakespeare> b : to become involved <people who get into trouble with the law>
5: to leave immediately <told them to get>
verbal auxiliary
—used with the past participle of transitive verbs as a passive voice auxiliary <they got caught in the act>
— get after
: to pursue with exhortation, reprimand, or attack
— get ahead
: to achieve success <determined to get ahead in life>
— get a life
: to stop wasting time on trivial or hopeless matters
— get a move on
: hurry
— get at
1: to reach effectively
2: to influence corruptly : bribe
3: to turn one's attention to
4: to try to prove or make clear <what is he getting at>
— get away with
: to avoid criticism or punishment for or the consequences of (as a reprehensible act)
— get cracking
: to make a start : get going <ought to get cracking on that assignment>
— get even
: to get revenge
— get even with
: to repay in kind
— get going
: to make a start
— get into
: to become strongly involved with or deeply interested in
— get it
: to receive a scolding or punishment
— get it on
1: to become enthusiastic, energetic, or excited
2: to engage in sexual intercourse
— get on
1: to produce an unfortunate effect on : upset <the noise got on my nerves>
2: to criticize insistently <the fans got on him for losing the game>
— get one's act together
1: to put one's life, thoughts, or emotions in order : cease to be confused or misdirected
2: to begin to function in a skillful or efficient manner <the company finally got its act together>
— get one's goat
: to make one angry or annoyed
— get over
1a : overcome, surmount
b : to recover from
c : to reconcile oneself to : become accustomed to
2: to move or travel across
— get real
: to stop deceiving oneself or fooling around : face reality
— get religion
1: to undergo religious conversion
2: to turn to or adopt an enlightened course of action or point of view
— get somewhere
: to be successful
— get there
: to be successful
— get through
: to reach the end of : complete
— get to
1a : begin <gets to worrying over nothing at all>
b : to be ready to begin or deal with <I'll get to the accounts as soon as I can>
2: to have an effect on: as
a : influence
b : bother
— get together
1: to bring together : accumulate
2: to come together : assemble, meet
3: to reach agreement
— get wind of
: to become aware of
— get with it
: to become alert or aware : show sophisticated consciousness
Usage Discussion of GET
The pronunciation \ˈgit\ has been noted as a feature of some British and American dialects since the 16th century. In the phonetic spelling of his own speech Benjamin Franklin records git. However, since at least 1687 some grammarians and teachers have disapproved this pronunciation. It nonetheless remains in widespread and unpredictable use in many dialects, often, but not exclusively, when get is a passive auxiliary (as in get married) or an imperative (as in get up!).
Examples of GET

He got a new bicycle for his birthday.
I never did get an answer to my question.
I got a letter from my lawyer.
She got a phone call from her sister.
Did you get my message?
You need to get your mother's permission to go.
She hasn't been able to get a job.
If you want to be successful you need to get a good education.
It took us a while to get the waiter's attention.
It took us a while to get a taxi.

Origin of GET
Middle English, from Old Norse geta to get, beget; akin to Old English bigietan to beget, Latin prehendere to seize, grasp, Greek chandanein to hold, contain
First Known Use: 13th century

Synonyms: learn, master, pick up
Antonyms: unlearn

Get
noun \ˈget\
Definition of GET
1a : something begotten: (1) : offspring (2) : the entire progeny of a male animal b : lineage
2: a return of a difficult shot in a game (as tennis)
First Known Use of GET
14th century

Get
noun \ˈget\
plural git·tin
Definition of GET
1: a document of release from obligation in Jewish law; specifically : a bill of divorce
2: a religious divorce by Jewish law
Origin of GET
Late Hebrew gēṭ
First Known Use: 1892

Article 1 WORDING; Section 4: "Discouraged"

Dis·cour·age
verb \dis-ˈkər-ij, -ˈkə-rij\
dis·cour·ageddis·cour·ag·ing
Definition of DISCOURAGE
transitive verb
1: to deprive of courage or confidence : dishearten <was discouraged by repeated failure>
2a : to hinder by disfavoring <trying to discourage absenteeism> b : to dissuade or attempt to dissuade from doing something <tried to discourage her from going>
— dis·cour·age·able adjective
— dis·cour·ag·er noun
— dis·cour·ag·ing·ly adverb
Examples of DISCOURAGE

Try not to let losing discourage you.
The area's dry climate discourages agriculture.
He claims the new regulations will discourage investment.
That type of behavior ought to be discouraged.

Origin of DISCOURAGE
Middle English discoragen, from Middle French descorager, from Old French descoragier, from des- dis- + corage courage
First Known Use: 15th century

Synonyms: chill, daunt, demoralize, dishearten, dismay, dispirit, frustrate, unman, unnerve, throw cold water on
Antonyms: embolden, encourage, hearten, nerve, steel

Article 1 WORDING; Section 5: "Gonzo"

Gon·zo
adj \ˈgän-(ˌ)zō\
Definition of GONZO
1: idiosyncratically subjective but engagé <gonzo journalism>
2: bizarre
3: freewheeling or unconventional especially to the point of outrageousness <a gonzo comedian>
Origin of GONZO
origin unknown
First Known Use: 1971

Article 1 WORDING; Section 6: "There's"

There's
\ˈtherz, thərz\
Definition of THERE'S
: there is : there has
First Known Use of THERE'S
1580

there
noun \ˈther\
Definition of THERE
1: that place or position <there is no here and no there…in pure space — James Ward>
2: that point <you take it from there>
Examples of THERE

I'll get everything ready, and you take it from there.

First Known Use: 1588

Article 1 WORDING; Section 7: "No"

No
Definition of NO
variant of noh
Other Performing Arts Terms
diva, dramaturgy, loge, prestidigitation, proscenium, supernumerary, zany

No
adv \ˈnō\
Definition of NO
1a chiefly Scottish : not b —used as a function word to express the negative of an alternative choice or possibility <shall we go out to dinner or no>
2: in no respect or degree —used in comparisons <you're no better than the rest of us>
3: not so —used to express negation, dissent, denial, or refusal <no, I'm not going>
4—used with a following adjective to imply a meaning expressed by the opposite positive statement <in no uncertain terms>
5—used as a function word to emphasize a following negative or to introduce a more emphatic, explicit, or comprehensive statement <it's big, no, it's gigantic>
6—used as an interjection to express surprise, doubt, or incredulity
7—used in combination with a verb to form a compound adjective <no-bake pie>
8: in negation <shook his head no>
Examples of NO

She shook her head no.
<this cake is no better than the last one we made>

Origin of NO
Middle English, from Old English nā, from ne not + ā always; akin to Old Norse & Old High German ne not, Latin ne-, Greek nē- — more at aye
First Known Use: before 12th century

Synonyms: never, none, nothing, noway (or noways), nowise
Antonyms: anyhow, anyway, anywise, at all, ever, half, however

No
adj
Definition of NO
1a : not any <no parking> <no disputing the decision> b : hardly any : very little <finished in no time>
2: not a : quite other than a <he's no expert>
3—used in combination with a noun to form a compound adjective <a no-nonsense realist>
Examples of NO

She said she had no money.
I wanted no part of the plan.
They showed no concern for my feelings.
people with little or no experience with computers

First Known Use of NO
12th century

No
noun \ˈnō\
plural noes or nos
Definition of NO
1: an act or instance of refusing or denying by the use of the word no : denial <received a firm no in reply>
2a : a negative vote or decision b plural : persons voting in the negative
See no defined for English-language learners »
Examples of NO

There were 110 ayes and only 16 noes.
The noes raised their hands.

First Known Use of NO
1588

Synonyms: nay, negative, non placet
Antonyms: positive, yea, yes

Article 1 WORDING; Section 8: "Such"

Such
adj \ˈsəch, ˈsich\
Definition of SUCH
1a : of a kind or character to be indicated or suggested <a bag such as a doctor carries> b : having a quality to a degree to be indicated <his excitement was such that he shouted>
2: of the character, quality, or extent previously indicated or implied <in the past few years many such women have shifted to full-time jobs>
3: of so extreme a degree or quality <never heard such a hubbub>
4: of the same class, type, or sort <other such clinics throughout the state>
5: not specified
Examples of SUCH

She has published her first sci-fi novel and hopes to write more such novels.
No such agreement was made.
The magazine publishes articles about such varied subjects as astronomy, politics, and gardening.
I've never heard of such a thing!

Origin of SUCH
Middle English, from Old English swilc; akin to Old High German sulīh such, Old English swā so, gelīk like — more at so, like
First Known Use: before 12th century

Synonyms: akin, analogous, cognate, comparable, connate, correspondent, corresponding, ditto, like, matching, parallel, resemblant, resembling, similar, alike, suchlike
Antonyms: different, dissimilar, diverse, unakin, unlike

Such
pronoun
Definition of SUCH
1: such a person or thing
2: someone or something stated, implied, or exemplified <such was the result>
3: someone or something similar : similar persons or things <tin and glass and such>
— as such
: intrinsically considered : in itself <as such the gift was worth little>
Usage Discussion of SUCH
For reasons that are hard to understand, commentators on usage disapprove of such used as a pronoun. Dictionaries, however, recognize it as standard; all of the citations upon which our definitions of this word are based are clearly standard.
Examples of SUCH

It is a serious problem and should be treated as such.
If such is the decision, nothing further should be done.

First Known Use of SUCH
before 12th century

Such
adv
Definition of SUCH
1a : to such a degree : so <such tall buildings> <such a fine person> b : very, especially <hasn't been in such good spirits lately>
2: in such a way <related such that each excludes the other>
Examples of SUCH

I have never seen such a large cat!
I had such a bad headache that I couldn't think straight.

First Known Use of SUCH
before 12th century

Synonyms: achingly, almighty, archly, awful, awfully, badly, beastly, blisteringly, bone, colossally, corking, cracking, damn, damned, dang, deadly, desperately, eminently, enormously, especially, ever, exceedingly (also exceeding), extra, extremely, fabulously, fantastically, far, fiercely, filthy, frightfully, full, greatly, heavily, highly, hugely, immensely, incredibly, intensely, jolly, majorly, mightily, mighty, monstrous [chiefly dialect], mortally, most, much, particularly, passing, rattling, real, really, right, roaring, roaringly, seriously, severely, so, sore, sorely, spanking, specially, stinking, very, super, supremely, surpassingly, terribly, that, thumping, too, unco, uncommonly, vastly, vitally, way, whacking, wicked, wildly
Antonyms: little, negligibly, nominally, slightly, somewhat

Article 1 WORDING; Section 9: "Thing"

Thing
noun \ˈthiŋ\
Definition of THING
1a : a matter of concern : affair <many things to do> b plural : state of affairs in general or within a specified or implied sphere <things are improving> c : a particular state of affairs : situation <look at this thing another way> d : event, circumstance <that shooting was a terrible thing>
2a : deed, act, accomplishment <do great things> b : a product of work or activity <likes to build things> c : the aim of effort or activity <the thing is to get well>
3a : a separate and distinct individual quality, fact, idea, or usually entity b : the concrete entity as distinguished from its appearances c : a spatial entity d : an inanimate object distinguished from a living being
4a plural : possessions, effects <pack your things> b : whatever may be possessed or owned or be the object of a right c : an article of clothing <not a thing to wear> d plural : equipment or utensils especially for a particular purpose <bring the tea things>
5: an object or entity not precisely designated or capable of being designated <use this thing>
6a : detail, point <checks every little thing> b : a material or substance of a specified kind <avoid fatty things>
7a : a spoken or written observation or point b : idea, notion <says the first thing he thinks of> c : a piece of news or information <couldn't get a thing out of him>
8: individual <not a living thing in sight>
9: the proper or fashionable way of behaving, talking, or dressing —used with the
10a : a mild obsession or phobia <has a thing about driving>; also : the object of such an obsession or phobia b : something (as an activity) that makes a strong appeal to the individual : forte, specialty <letting students do their own thing — Newsweek> <I think travelling is very much a novelist's thing — Philip Larkin>
Examples of THING

What is that thing on the floor?
He is good at making things out of clay.
My doctor told me to avoid fatty things like donuts and potato chips.
We must respect all living things.
Birth is a miraculous thing.
It was the worst thing that could have happened.
That sunset was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.
Let's just forget about the whole thing and move on.
The one thing I hate most is being lied to.
Are all your things packed?

Origin of THING
Middle English, from Old English, thing, assembly; akin to Old High German ding thing, assembly, Gothic theihs time
First Known Use: before 12th century

Synonyms: baby, being, bird, bod [British], body, character, cookie (or cooky), creature, customer, devil, duck, egg, face, fish, guy, head, human being, individual, life, man, mortal, party, person, personage, scout, slob, sort, soul, specimen, stiff, human, wight

Article 1 WORDING; Section 10 "As"

As
adv \əz, (ˌ)az\
Definition of AS
1: to the same degree or amount <as soft as silk> <twice as long>
2: for instance <various trees, as oak or pine>
3: when considered in a specified form or relation —usually used before a preposition or a participle <my opinion as distinguished from his>
Examples of AS

He was angry, but she was just as angry.

Origin of AS
Middle English, from Old English eallswā likewise, just as — more at also
First Known Use: before 12th century

As
conjunction
Definition of AS
1: as if <looks as he had seen a ghost — S. T. Coleridge>
2: in or to the same degree in which <soft as silk> —usually used as a correlative after an adjective or adverb modified by adverbial as or so <as cool as a cucumber>
3: in the way or manner that <do as I do>
4: in accordance with what or the way in which <quite good as boys go>
5: while, when <spilled the milk as she got up>
6: regardless of the degree to which : though <improbable as it seems, it's true>
7: for the reason that : because, since <stayed home as she had no car>
8: that the result is <so clearly guilty as to leave no doubt>
See Usage Discussion at like
— as is
: in the presently existing condition without modification <bought the clock at an auction as is>
— as it were
: as if it were so : in a manner of speaking
Examples of AS

The letter “k” is sometimes silent, as it is in “knee.”
She spilled the milk just as she was getting up.
I met him as I was leaving.

First Known Use of AS
12th century

Synonyms: when, so long as, while, whilst [chiefly British]

As
pronoun
Definition of AS
1: that, who, which —used after same or such <in the same building as my brother> <tears such as angels weep — John Milton> and chiefly dialect after a substantive not modified by same or such <that kind of fruit as maids call medlars — Shakespeare>
2: a fact that <is a foreigner, as is evident from his accent>
First Known Use of AS
12th century

As
prep
Definition of AS
1a : like 2 <all rose as one man> b : like 1a <his face was as a mask — Max Beerbohm>
2: in the capacity, character, condition, or role of <works as an editor>
First Known Use of AS
13th century

As
noun \ˈas\
plural as·ses
Definition of AS
1a : a bronze coin of the ancient Roman republic b : a unit of value equivalent to an as coin
2: libra 2a
Origin of AS
Latin
First Known Use: 1540

Article 1 WORDING; Section 11: "An"

An
indefinite article \ən, (ˈ)an\
Definition of AN
: 2a
See Usage Discussion at 2a
Origin of AN
Middle English, from Old English ān one — more at one
First Known Use: before 12th century

An
prep \ən, an\
Definition of AN
: 3a 2
See Usage Discussion at 2a
First Known Use of AN
before 12th century

An
conjunction
Definition of AN
1: and
2archaic : if
Variants of AN
an or an'
First Known Use of AN
12th century

Article 1 WORDING; Section 12: "Insurmountable"

In·sur·mount·able
adj \ˌin(t)-sər-ˈmau̇n-tə-bəl\
Definition of INSURMOUNTABLE
: incapable of being surmounted : insuperable <insurmountable problems>
— in·sur·mount·ably adverb
Examples of INSURMOUNTABLE

They were faced with several insurmountable obstacles.
<the familiar story of the underdog who ultimately triumphs despite insurmountable odds>

First Known Use of INSURMOUNTABLE
1690

Synonyms: bulletproof, impregnable, indomitable, insuperable, invincible, invulnerable, unbeatable, unconquerable, unstoppable
Antonyms: superable, surmountable, vincible, vulnerable

Article 1 WORDING; Section 13: "Obstacle"

Ob·sta·cle
noun \ˈäb-sti-kəl, -ˌsti-\
Definition of OBSTACLE
: something that impedes progress or achievement
Examples of OBSTACLE

He overcame the obstacles of poverty and neglect.
They must overcome a number of obstacles before the restaurant can be opened.
Lack of experience is a major obstacle for her opponent.
She swerved to avoid an obstacle in the road.

Origin of OBSTACLE
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin obstaculum, from obstare to stand in front of, from ob- in the way + stare to stand — more at ob-, stand
First Known Use: 14th century
Related to OBSTACLE
Synonyms: balk, bar, block, chain, clog, cramp, crimp, deterrent, drag, embarrassment, fetter, handicap, hindrance, holdback, hurdle, impediment, inhibition, interference, let, manacle, encumbrance, obstruction, shackles, stop, stumbling block, trammel

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-Summer Glau
Edited by Skidrow925 on Mar 9, 2012 at 09:01 PM

You, sir, should get a cookie. Or a car. Or both. That was funny. To be honest, I AM discouraged. I mean if you spent years on a map just to see it get stopped up by something so stupid as portals, or something seemingly BS like my invisible collision geometry, would you not also join my ranks of the somber disheartened?

To keep my skills ripe, I'm working on another project. Is it the best choice to make considering how much time I've invested in this map? Not at all. But I have an insatiable need to create sexy BSPs, so what choice have I but to give in to this fierce and carnal urge? I still want to see this thing released as a successful MP map, but right now, I literally don't know what to do or what else to try. I feel like completely redoing my terrain from scratch won't solve things. I will try to go through all my faces and ensure the mapping works, but to be honest, I've spotted plenty of mapping errors in the form of no mapping in EVERY Halo (except Halo Wars; I don't own it) and I still see the rest of the map.

EDIT: Oh, by the way, Skid, your English, while correct, is lacking grammatical correctness. 'Trying making a...'? Gerund trouble. Haha. I personally suck at grammar, but every now and then I spot mistakes I actually comprehend. Most of the time I just wonder what crazed fool decided English needed to be so ridiculously confusing and inconsistent.
Edited by CAG Gonzo on Mar 9, 2012 at 08:58 PM

Is that you explaining something to yourself?
Your wrong about the impossible thing too :)

Should have been try making. Fixed it. By the way look at the sig on the top section versus the one on the bottom. S925 and Summer Glau. (See xkcd.com/406 for the reference) I was simply "venting" and I am very glad you found it humorous.

And Maniac100, let me see you do it. And record it and OM me video. 24kt gold. 3cm^3. 400,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules of force. Did anyone actually read that? Because you should have a cookie for reading all the way through it. Took me awhile to find all that information. (Reminded me; I have a cookie in my hand and a [NICE] car in my driveway already though. But hey who wouldn't want another of each? Eh?)

I don't believe i could do that in this atmosphere.
The "earth engine" is almost as bad as the halo1 engine but the "universe engine" is infinite, we just have not got good scripters or OS for that yet, but it will come i think.

Edited by Maniac1000 on Mar 9, 2012 at 09:54 PM

What the f-

Seriously? I was being figurative, jesus christ.

FTFY and I am not Jesus Christ. I am Skidrow925. Sierra-Kilo-India-Delta-Romeo-Oscar-Whiskey-Nine-Two-Five


And I know you were. I don't care. (You have no idea how close I was to venting your reply.



Well we got a lab about 2km under ground (roughly 0.8km below sea level) and we have just "air" in the environment. We would vacuum it if we had time and a sealed area and suits. The trick is getting the cube moving in the first place. A bucket-mag-track was tried and that just blew the entire breaker system.


Back to Gonzos map though.
Edited by Skidrow925 on Mar 10, 2012 at 09:23 AM

but srsly gonzo do what i posted the other day, remove your portals, compile the scenario and check if thats the real problem, if it is, then make the portals as i explained in my last post, and also...
can u see the amount of views and posts this thread has? are you rly going to dissapoint us?

When did he say he's giving up? It's not his fault his map's not working.

Plus he has no responsibility to actually keep working on this mod regardless of how many views and posts this thread has. Add to that the fact that there's probably only about 5 or 6 people actually contributing to all of those views and posts, then Gonzo should feel no regret for 'disappoint'ing us.



Oh and he's probably already tried your solution. I dunno though.

I made the portals because I thought that was the reason why my map was all funky. Actually, I take that back. I made them because tool whined about subcluster allocation until I included them. Then it let my map go through to a scenario. Now I can't see any of my map. If I remove the portals, I won't get a successful compilation, unfortunately. Thanks, anyway.

I don't want to disappoint given how many people have expressed interest. I know CE could use a lot of good maps that have this level of detail and attention to gameplay. I WANT to finish this; I just don't want to troubleshoot this wretched issue anymore. I'm tired of running into one problem after another, quite literally. I get past one issue just to be met right away with something else:

After finally finishing my map, I had issues with exporting as a JMS.
I tried to get it over into 3ds Max 8. After finally doing that, I had issues with improper smoothing and IDs.
After finally doing that, I had issues with geometry.
After that, I finally got the stupid thing to compile. Then came subcluster issues.
After adding dumpy portals, I ran into my current problem: invisible geometry. Importing the BSP as an OBJ into 3ds Max 8 shows NO PROBLEMS; the BSP is intact as it should be.
Messing around with materials, shaders, BSP info/tag data, etc, blah blah blah, has not fixed this issue.
Changing/Deleting the portals has not fixed this issue.

What have I left? The only thing I can think of to do is to map every single face halfheartedly so I can run radiosity (currently I get the same error [bad UVWs] in both Sapien and tool) to see if that's the issue.

Yes ladies and gentlemen i am still alive! Now i might be way out of practice in map modelling and such so bear with me here. Is it at all feasible that the reason Gonzo's collision geometry is invisible is because its supposed to be? O.o I mean honestly, when was the last time someone was playing an MP map and ran into the red or blue bubbles that make up the warthog collision geometry?

In all seriousness though Gonzo; just because you don't see it while its going through the loading or editing process doesn't mean that you've failed, it could be: video card rendering issues, program script errors, angle of view giving the illusion of missing faces (had this error before in almost every 3d program i've toyed with; its cause by object faces matching the "flat" background of the viewing screen. Also, there are several maps with portal errors that play beautifully (unless you're a sniper). You just have to test it and seeing as i haven't read any complaints from you saying it cant get through certain aspects of getting it in game i don't see why not.

PS- For anyone reading this and suddenly feeling the impulse that comes right before you flame or disprove someones theory; be aware that i don't frankly care.

One thing's for sure: my map isn't invisible because I'm not looking at it from the right angle. I've looked at it from all angles (pretty much). I doubt it's my video card. I can view many other maps in Sapien, and it's a GTX 550 Ti. Not even half of a year old. I want to say it's the materials/shaders' fault, because that makes sense to me, but if it is, I haven't found a way of fixing it.

I don't know how you haven't seen any complaints from me about aspects of in-game success. It feels like that's all I've been doing for the past few months. It's gonna be hard to test if I can't see the dang thing. Though I could drop a Warthog and see if it falls perpetually. Assuming, of course, gravity is at work. Given how things have been, I think it's safe to assume nothing.

EDIT:

While testing this, I got some new errors from the console. Here's Mr. Debug with the latest:

03.10.12 16:00:52  sapien pc 01.00.00.0609 ----------------------------------------------
03.10.12 16:00:52  reference function: _write_to_error_file
03.10.12 16:00:52  reference address: 401b13
03.10.12 16:00:52  Couldn't read map file './sapienbeta.map'
03.10.12 16:00:53  *found 2 adapters...
03.10.12 16:00:53  CreateDevice succeeded with refresh rate = 0
03.10.12 16:00:53  Initializing 10 button 5 axis 1 pov joystick 'Controller (Xbox 360 Wireless Receiver for Windows)'
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device axis 258 instance number 1 - Y Axis to range [-4096,4096]
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device axis 2 instance number 0 - X Axis to range [-4096,4096]
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device axis 1026 instance number 4 - Y Rotation to range [-4096,4096]
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device axis 770 instance number 3 - X Rotation to range [-4096,4096]
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device axis 514 instance number 2 - Z Axis to range [-4096,4096]
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 4 instance number 0 - Button 0
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 260 instance number 1 - Button 1
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 516 instance number 2 - Button 2
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 772 instance number 3 - Button 3
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 1028 instance number 4 - Button 4
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 1284 instance number 5 - Button 5
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 1540 instance number 6 - Button 6
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 1796 instance number 7 - Button 7
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 2052 instance number 8 - Button 8
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device button 2308 instance number 9 - Button 9
03.10.12 16:00:53  Successfully initialized device POV 16 instance number 0 - Hat Switch to range [-4096,4096]
03.10.12 16:00:53  Could not initialize unknown device object 192 instance number 0 - Collection 0 - Game Pad
03.10.12 16:00:53  Could not initialize unknown device object 448 instance number 1 - Collection 1
03.10.12 16:00:53  Could not initialize unknown device object 704 instance number 2 - Collection 2
03.10.12 16:00:53  Could not initialize unknown device object 960 instance number 3 - Collection 3
03.10.12 16:00:53  Sound card doesn't meet minimum hardware requirements.  Disabling hardware option.
03.10.12 16:00:53  Increasing sound decompression buffer size to 1048576 bytes
03.10.12 16:01:20  WARNING: 168 clusters in structure_bsp levels\requiem\requiem have no background sound or sound environment.
03.10.12 16:01:20  local player 0, weapon (0x0), deleted unexpectedly
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR unsupported shader type
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR rasterizer_transparent_geometry_group_draw failed
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR unsupported shader type
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR rasterizer_transparent_geometry_group_draw failed
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR unsupported shader type
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR rasterizer_transparent_geometry_group_draw failed
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR unsupported shader type
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR rasterizer_transparent_geometry_group_draw failed
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR unsupported shader type
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR rasterizer_transparent_geometry_group_draw failed
03.10.12 16:01:21  ### ERROR unsupported shader type
...

It repeats that error for another 16000 lines. I've never had this issue before. I did just install OS, though, but I'm not using their Sapien.

Also, on a different note, I've been meaning to ask this: the red Forerunner light bitmap does not display alpha in-game, meaning all that black background surrounding the lights in the bitmap shows. I can post screenshots if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about. The blue lights work fine.

EDIT EDIT: The Warthog falls perpetually. If I manually specify the coordinates, it remains stationary. If I leave the X and Y values alone, and only change the Z value, I'll see it at that Z value, then it falls perpetually. The weird thing is, as I move about my map, I can see outlines of my geometry. It's like it's there but not.
Edited by CAG Gonzo on Mar 10, 2012 at 04:06 PM
Edited by CAG Gonzo on Mar 10, 2012 at 04:15 PM