I use Halo CE BSP Tag Converter V2.5

It does that.

Why wouldn't I be in it for the joy? It's my primary motivator. I don't think I need to import someone else's portals (unless I simply cannot get mine working). I'll just see what to do to get past these errors.

I used a basic portal (12 portals, 9 subclusters, i.e. 4 planes)...the scenario compiled, but for some reason only some faces of particular IDs show up...specifically, only the non-collidable faces are rendering. Everything else that should be solid (like, I don't know, the map itself!) is for some reason not appearing. I don't think it's a portalling issue, as I can see the non-collidable faces just fine from various angles and distances. If it's any help, tool tells me there are 359 material groups, which sounds a bit high (I have 45 IDs). Also, as I move and pan the camera, I can see 'shimmers' of what appears to be the solid geometry. I have no clue what's going on here.

The good news is I got the scenario into Sapien, and I placed a Pelican to ensure I had the scale correct; it looks fine. If anyone has any idea what's going on here, I'll be that much closer to fixing this. In other news, my Max 8 license just expired...
Edited by CAG Gonzo on Oct 20, 2011 at 05:48 PM
Edited by CAG Gonzo on Oct 20, 2011 at 08:48 PM
Edited by CAG Gonzo on Oct 20, 2011 at 08:56 PM

Come on, Gonzo, don't give up on this. This is a hurdle, yeah, but just imagine how awesome it's going to be when your map takes the place of the best of the giant maps, and everyone is playing it instead of Extinction or Coldsnap.

QUICKLEH! Get it done now so Sel's won't be seen as better for being out sooner and being just as gameplay oriented and fun. Quickly!

Yea..., don't leave it do die. See if a few pro modelers or map mapkers have time.,

please finish it. its so far in and close to completion.

I apologize for leading people into believing I would not finish this map. Short of some catastrophe (God forbid), I WILL finish this map. Of that have no doubt. I have already released the map to at least one individual for error help, and I may do so again.

If anyone knows why only my non-collidable geometry is appearing, please tell me. I also just realized that it's actually not all my non-collidables; only the red and blue lights, energy rope (as seen in b40) plus the red and blue base symbols are appearing. Even portions of the energy rope are not appearing, and surfaces marked as non-collidable but not transparent (i.e. metal panels generic used underneath vents/grates) are not there. There seems to be no consistency. Ideas?

I'm going to use a BSP importer to see what got into the map. Tool reports an appropriate amount of vertices and faces upon scenario construction.

Maybe your portals are bad so halo cant show your polies

Maybe. I tried importing the OBJ of my BSP into gmax, and using one importer, gmax decided to shut down randomly. Using another one, I got some BS error. I'm installing Max 2012 (for which I have a student license) to see if I can use its importer support. Otherwise, I'll try reportalling, but now that my Max 8 license is out, I'm not sure if I can get an error-free export.

one thing i wanna ask before you do that. Did you do radiosity on the map? just asking because what you described seems like there is no lighting. oh and the render only things under the grates need to be collide-able because portals don't show things that are completely behind the map surfaces seeing as they're not gonna be seen anyways.

You did run lightmaps, right? You have to run lightmaps before you can see the map...

I did. I got an error.

what error? bad uvw coordinates? cause you'll have to fix that in max.

No, the UVW's are awful in many areas, but that can't be the issue here. If it were, why do the lights show up, which all have good UVW's, and not other faces with good UVW's? I'm going to look at making more portals: my test only had 4 planes and thus 12 portal zones. My first attempt had over 200 portal zones, so I suspect (after reading other portalling posts) I had too many in my first go and too few in my test. That said, I'll try a more intermediate sum and maybe toss in some exact portals as well. If that fails, I'll try exact portals only.

Let it be known that no portals causes an error. It is very ambiguous, simply failing to create the map because of sub cluster allocation (I think). Some portals leads to compilation (except when I had too many) but missing geometry. This is most perplexing.

Grunts, I'll try and contact you via xfire soon if my portalling fails. Thanks for your offer.

Let me go ahead and leave a few updates: Maniac1000 has offered to create a ground bitmap for me since I am preoccupied and would probably fail at it anyway (never really tried). I've also got iPuke (if you've played Halo PC, you've likely run into him. He's killer with the Magnum, and not in the usual three-shot doom sense. I mean sheer pwnage) working on a cliff bitmap. iPuke is currently enrolled in Adobe courses, so I feel he's got talent untapped here.

It's also nearing time for tagging, but that really won't get into full swing until the Beta comes out. Because of the large volume of tags and high expectations I have for them, I am willing to accept suggestions/actual tags (with descriptions) if anyone feels like it. In the end, however, I will be personally combing through all tags to ensure they meet my criteria. I'll also be tagging things myself, but in the interests of time I decided to go ahead and take ideas.

I haven't forgotten the desire for a waterfall, either. Once portalling is complete enough to the point where my map is actually visible, I'll get one in there. Then the level design should be complete. This map WILL be released, mark my words. It needs a new name since SeL released his map first (looks sexy but too dark, by the way), though. Do not abandon hope!

I have a few: Conviction, Defiance, Eulogy, and Vindictive.
But those are just suggestions.

Gonzo, I know a few tags which might be good...

The CMT AA Wraith, released by Advancebo. Here it is.

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4502

The H3 Hornet

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5346

There is also the Firebomb longsword, but I don't think that was released. It was in Rpg Beta 6.2

You mgiht have to change the cannon, but the firebomb would change the longsword from a noob vehicle to maybe something gud.

I suggest double playable bipeds

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1968
The Lost Spartan Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5538
Halo 3 Hayabusa Tags

if you want different ones

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4686
Halo 3 Beta Spartans Tags UPDATED

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1172
Helicopter tags better than fake heli in rpg maps i think its the one from ambush

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1220
N-Pelican tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1268
Hovertank tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4704
Phantom Green Halo 3 Tags with bay and seats in bay

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=985
Pelican tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1616
wasp tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1648
N64 Arwing beta tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1873
Icetiger Mech Model and Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2017
Goose Vehicle Tagset

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2021
Scarab tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2292
Kestral Final tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2755
Heavy Scorpian tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3770
LAV-25 APC vehicle tags V2

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3933
Pyro GX Vehicle tags Beta

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4022
Stingray Vehicle tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4024
Star Wars AAT Tags V1

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4137
c_dropship tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4222
Draco Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4259
Tankhog tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4450
Fixed FAV/DPV vehicle tags

more later

oddly enough these were the only tags i couldn't identify from memory from either using them, commenting on them or, personally working on them. I would appreciate it if anyone could possibly post pictures of these tags in use on the links provided or a small description of what each does.

Meanwhile i'll add my own vehicle request that comes directly from Matooba's insane mind "Hogfoot":a monster truck variant of everyone's favorite vehicle (minus the gun turret). This particular vehicle was only featured in its incomplete form in Hoggulch where it had physics issues involving tipping. Personally, i think this monster needs a map of this size just to make it a viable resource (that and the thing is extremely fun to drive).

Concerning the name, I think you should take Bungie's approach:

1) Base the map name on what's in it, often incorporating wordplay

2) If a remake make the name a variation of the original

3) If a remake have the name sound like the original's phonetically.


Since it's a spiritual remake of Extinction why not work from that.
Associated words: Eradication, Genocide, Decimation, Wipe out, Endangered, Xenocide, Apocalypse, Armageddon, End, Termination, Destruction, Purge, Cleanse

The four Horsemen of the apocalypse ( Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death) come from the book of Revelation no 's.'

I personally like Genocide, Xenocide, and Eradication.

Xenocide sounds cool.

"The Last Land"
"Extinction on Steroids"
"Canyon in the middle of nowhere"
"Extinction V2"

"Requiem"

I think we should call it "Another box canyon with no way in or out and has absolutely no tactical value"
Edited by Skidrow925 on Oct 29, 2011 at 05:17 PM
Edited by Skidrow925 on Oct 29, 2011 at 05:19 PM
Edited by Skidrow925 on Oct 29, 2011 at 05:19 PM
Edited by Skidrow925 on Oct 29, 2011 at 05:20 PM

How about Strongfall or Rowlock?
Edited by Zenzarxus on Oct 31, 2011 at 01:02 PM

I think you should let the author put the tags and give the name he wants for this map.

Also advancebo's wraith cant aim right and is unusable on big distances.

I can update it to be accurate tho, but i'm way too lazy

Skidrow, what's with the hate?

Linkmaster, those be some good names. I'll likely use one from your pool of suggestions.

Thanks for the tag ideas. They're keeping me occupied. I'm still perplexed by my portalling issues. Does anyone know of someone who knows enough about portalling to take this on, or at the least coach me on it? I've already been in touch with grunts, and we've been working on it, but the more minds the better.

I know a decent amount of portaling so if you want me to check it out I can.

e: Forgot this was a giant map, your portalling issues are probably caused just becuase of that sole fact.

On a side note, what is the map like (desert, snow, grassy?), this can help you choose a name in which its based on what the map is like.
Edited by Higuy on Oct 30, 2011 at 04:25 PM

I wasn't hating. That was meant as a little joke. Referencing RvB. Since:




But yeah. Loving the map and NOT hating it. At all.

E: It was RvB S1E1 where they were talking about the tactical value of bloodgulch.
Edited by Skidrow925 on Oct 30, 2011 at 07:19 PM

i think these would be some names for this map:

World War Halo Extinction

Tactical Advantage

Mass Ownage

Bombardment Planet

Death Space

Dead Space Extinction

The Last War

Lost Souls of War

My favorite and would be approperate for this point in time for halo ce

Halo Custom Editon: We Had A Good Run, but Its The End For Now

Short name as for ingame: Halo Custom Edition: The End of Good Times



ok i am here and i am posting more links now (since so many only a few will have descriptions if i know them well)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4066
M82A1 .50cal Barrett sniper tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=845
RF Railgun - The weapon tag v1.0

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=984
M16 and 9MM gun tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1175
Scout Tags - New weapon - Scout

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1174
Raf gun Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1247
C4 Weapon Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1656
UZI Weapon Tag

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1655
MA2B Assault Rifle tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1939
Plasma Claws Tags fixed

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2058
Dual TM14 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2062
X7 Rifle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2114
XM8_rifle_tags.zip

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2146
Needler with modified melee tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2163
Noobinator 5000

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2221
Nuke Tags
(In others words a hytac)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2756
Red and Blue Spartan Sword Tags
(Red and Blue plasma swords)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3093
Chaingun Tags
(crouch on any weapon to make it be in its normal position this would be one as seen in the picture)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3222
Silenced USP Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3271
Gauss tags
(crouch to fix)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3491
Pickup Sniper Jackal Sheild tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3653
Tommygun tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3685
L85A1 Assult Rifle tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3725
AK47 v2 assult rifle tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5951
Dual Magnum Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2993
Obsolete
(i suggest getting the halycon cruiser from that map and the covenant battle cruiser too)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1358
Environment Tags
Title: Environment Tags
Section: Halo CE Misc. Tags
Author: Bungie / Compiled by: kornman00 (Sean Cooper)
Description: A collection of Skies, Fog, DOBC, and Weather tags from MP and SP

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2290
Base Perimeter Siren tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4242
Medic pack powerup tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4487
Particle Effects Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4643
Medkit Dispenser tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1323
d40 Armory Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5526
Prowlerv2
(try to make it a vehicle or just have it as a base in the sky)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5776
Halo 3 Watchtower Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5421
Human Outpost Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4635
H2 Trees tags Animated

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5451
Pillbox Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4864
H3 Double Wall Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4202
Satelite Dish tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3861
Beam Structure base tag

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2454
Banshee Launcher Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5696
Halo 3 Barricade Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1145
Street lamp modes/tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5886
Boxes Scenery Tag

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6057
Teleport Gates Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6043
Vehicle Teleporters Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1126
Teleporter Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1123
Landing Beacon Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1122
Kick-Me Sign tags


http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=981
Halo 2 Style Structural Debris

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=838
Red and Blue Flashing Flag Bases

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=804
Red Glass Windows - Scenery

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3809
Pancor Jackhammer tags updated

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3833
French Famas F1 assult rifle tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3867
m16A2\m203 grenadier rifle Version 3

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3868
M249 Squad Automatic Weapon Ver 2

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3869
M134 Portable Minigun Weapons Tag

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3870
RPG - Rocket Propelled Grenade weapons tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3949
Dual MP5K weapons tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3950
FAV jeep vehicle\50cal turret V2 tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3951
Intercontinental Ballistic Missile weapons tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3955
Quake 3 rocket lancher tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3972
CMT MA5K Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4080
M6C2 Magnum tag

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4212
M24 Sniper Rifle tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4243
Fist of rukt tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4352
G36 family weapons tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4355
M4 Masterkey tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4608
Independant radio detonated C4 charges tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4746
AT4 Disposable Rocket Launcher Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4757
Vehicles In A Can Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4795
Army Mine Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4807
Mortar Grenade tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5069
Cake Weapon Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5206
Air Fuel Grenade Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5419
Dark Energy Rifle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5440
Survival Kit Tags (m6d Version)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5457
Halo 3 Battle Rifle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5500
Hunter Fuel Rod Gun Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5529
Tactical Ma5c Weapon Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5580
Brute Shot H2 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5584
Covenant Carbine Updated

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5718
Desert Eagle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5719
G36 Assault Rifle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5725
Mp5 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5724
M16 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5727
M82 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5751
Dual Plasma Pistols Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5835
H3 Senetial Beam Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5977
Tactical Battle Rifle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5994
Remington 870 Weapon Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6042
Tac Shotgun Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6105
Alternate Mp5k Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6117
Halo 2 Beam Rifle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6119
Halo 2 Sniper Rifle Final

ok last post of links till more are out for grabs if the map isn't finished by then.

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6081
Unsc Bomber Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6010
Flame Warthog Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5918
Chopper Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5680

Hog Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5547
Mythos Vehicle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5360
H3 Elephant Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5347
Hnmp Hornet Fixed

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5346
H3 Hornet

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5120
Yoyorast Passenger Hog Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5100
H3 Mongoose Complete

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5138
Enforcer Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5054
Spectre Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4976
H2 Shadow Vehicle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4829
Wraith H3 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4828
Wathog LAAG H2 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4823
Ghost H2 Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4639
Ghost Needler Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4502
Halo 3 Anti Air Wraith Vehicle Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4437
Pimped - Civilian Hog tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1222
Longsword Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1221
Missel warthog tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5805
Ftw Rhog Tags

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=780
Hornet and Hippo Incomplete
(if you want they are done enough or you can use the ones from the map jangle which is here)

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1456
Jangle
(has hippo and hornet, but is working mostly i am not sure if you will have problems the only things that are incomplete on these are the turret moving and secondary weapons unless there are different ones, but i can't remember, but i know the weapons work.)

And there you go
Edited by Killer22 on Oct 31, 2011 at 06:34 PM
Edited by Killer22 on Oct 31, 2011 at 06:46 PM
Edited by Killer22 on Oct 31, 2011 at 06:48 PM

...

...

Brain cannot handle. Going into shutdown.

I personally like Xenocide, since Xenocide is the eradication of an alien species. Since the covenant want to eradicate the humans, and the humans pretty much vice versa, I think it would fit in.

Looking at it now, after those awesome names, Requiem kinda doesn't fit. I think Xenocide is the best.

My god. Somebody stole it!

Hmmm... the usual suspects...Goatman,Horseman,Cowman,Catman,Dogman, and the Chicken King.

Oh, but if the brain was not found, how could I go into shutdown? If you don't find your computer, you can't shut it down.

If you're implying that I was hating on the map, I must correct you. I love this map and can't wait to play it. I was merely stating that it is in fact a canyon in the middle of nowhere, as is pretty much every canyon map. :P

E: And LoS, your brain could have a sleep timer so it automatically goes into shutdown whether it's found or not.
Edited by Jaz on Nov 1, 2011 at 01:22 PM

No he thought I was hating it because I said "I think we should call it 'Another box canyon with no way in or out and has absolutely no tactical value' " referencing RvB S1E1 where they talk about the uselessness of BG. AFAIK no hating on the map was happening.

Jaz, that would be a useful feature. Five minutes without finding the body, go into power-saving shutdown.

Btw, if Requiem is a canyon in the middle of nowwher, it has no tactical value. That doens't mean it can't be fun, though.

Oh, sorry, Skidrow. My bad. I didn't catch the quote. Nice reference, but a little long for the map name.

Qwerty, if you'll simply read a bit on page 32, you'll see I mentioned that SeL beat me and took my name. As per rules of engagement, I'll be renaming it. The name has not been decided.

The tag ideas will be examined. Only quality assets will make it into the map. Quality here means good looking, practical, not too redundant, and if the tag data itself isn't up to my specs, it should be relatively simple to fix.

How about - as a placeholder - use CMT's SPV2 tags? They're great quality, nicely balanced and very practical for many scenarios. Sadly, they may be redundant.

Exactly my point.

I might go around at random and see if I can find anything good.



Like Latin?