can someone tell me how to edit other peoples vehicles.
dont worry if i use someones vehicle I WILL give credit.

and secondary fire for vehicles...can i make it alter a part of the vehicle rather than making another gun fire (and by altering part of teh vihicle i mean like making a door open and closeable on it)

and on that note can you make a third fire for more than two guns?

pls help.

you can import a gbxmodel tag into GMax or 3DS Max with theGhost's GBXModel Importer
Edit as desired. Since you're changing the nodes so the door can animate, you'll be making collision and animations tags too.

Yes, but you might need a dummy animation for the weapon functions that aren't used

No third fire, unless you attach a vehicle like the covie drop ship attaches it's gun turret (which may prevent entering and exiting both vehicles, but 'multi-team' vehicles may fix that), and it's a single player map since both can't be synch'd.

ok but i see some works in progress that have like a gauss/rocket/chaingun turret all in one so how do you suppose they made it have third fire.............also that one tank with four cannons, two rocket launchers and two flame throwers.

so i think it should be possible.

They attached things so that things happened when you pressed certain buttons.

Sorry, I completely spaced out...

the gauss/rocket/chaingun turret, have they gotten it to work?

what Gamma927 said ^
the tank uses attachments controlled by crouch, jump, and flashlight for the extra weapons. That may be possible for your door, too. I modded the beam emitter to run it's ascending pulse animation in a feedback loop with it's animation position (crazy results), so I think it's possible to control a door animation with a function controlled by crouch or flashlight or w/e. I'll dig up and post specifics in a bit
Edited by bobbysoon on Jan 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM

thanks for all the help!

i still know practically nothing about 3ds max so i might not ever get it done but if i do i will show it to you!

Are you talking about that no-turret hog in coldsnap?
Edited by bobbysoon on Jan 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM

now i have one more question and i am going to spill the beans on what i am making.
JUST PLS DONT TAKE MY IDEA (even though it has probably already been done.)

i am making a halo 3 phantom with working doors and such on it.

and can i put a grav lift tag in it so that when it is on teh ground the lift pulls you up into the phantom but when you arent on the ground the grav lift blows you out of the phantom?

i mean it should work...other vehicles such as the pelican has legs that come out so.....ya.

and can someone tell me how to get started on puting the phantom from extinction into 3ds max?
I WILL GIVE CREDIT TO WHOEVER MADE IT!

There's no gravity lift tag, but an effect that does a little chain-spawning could cause a push on the other side of a target (bottom of character), pushing him up. He'd hit his head pretty hard this way. I imagine the same thing could be done to slow his descent, somehow.
Or, attach an invisable lift? I don't know how well that would work.

get theGhost's GBXModel Importer. It's a script for max that can load the model
http://ghost.halomaps.org/bluestreak/

I already did this


sorry dude

Though I am still getting it to fire the third projectile.

oh i know you did it i was just saying that MAYBEE i am the first to think of doing a halo 3 phantom.

also i saw the link that you sent me bobby soon and i saw the machine pictured on the front and it looked to me like it had a grav lift.

also people who made coagulation had to have grav lift tags to get the base right(although i have never played on it on halo ce i am just assuming)

You mean this pic?

I think thats the platform from the Library. The whole thing moves up and down.

Nope, no grav lift in haloCE's version of H2's Coag

Advancebo, an effect attachment as a weapon could work in a pinch, but not for the chaingun. The chaingun needs the $WEAPON's error angle, to spread the shots out. The rocket launcher needs a magazine, so the -gauss turret, right?- it's simpler, easy to do thrue an effect.
Also, I think "the Guardians" take credit for the kills.

well dang..........my phantom wont be a really good phantom then.

also i just realized i suck at 3D modeling in 3DS Max.

i wonder if someone could make a grav lift tag?

The basic idea of gravity lifts in Halo CE, is that a invisible "bomb" explodes beneath you when you are standing in an area, and it's set to do no damage, so only the force pushes you up. Of course, it requires scripting with trigger volumes, and a moving phantom would not work. Unless you blow up anywhere you go.

Press the C button?

Not true. It could be done with an attachment controlled by a function, like I suggested to Advancebo for the Gauss part of his triple turret. Scripting or trigger volume not required that way, but it'd still be difficult to get it right.
The trick is the chain-spawning. The function (by crouch or w/e) controls the effect attachment, which spawns a projectile, which if it hits cyborg armor or shield, spawns an overpenetrating projectile with a limited range equal to the cyborg's height, or a little more, which then detonates.
The detonation has the push. It helps to throw in some other effects with the detonation while debugging, so you can see if it's working right. Setting up the damage_effect is also tricky, by itself.
You could also use a skin modifier to rig a grav lift energy field that stretches down, it's animation controlled by the same function. Maybe particle effects would be better.
The door animation will take another function, leaving only 2 functions for your vehicle's flying and firing stuff

hey maybee i can just make it to where you enter the phantom at the grav lift and just make the animation for it look like you are floating up inside of it. same applies for teh interior and exiting the phantom.

I like that idea! But not for the driver, because it needs to be floating to work, which it won't without a driver.

ya it kinda does float because if you look at extinctions phantoms they never touch the ground.
the driver could easily get out.

no hes saying in order for it to work like that there would have to be someone driving like how on some vehicles you can get in gunner or side seat unless there is a driver am i right ? Second there is a grav lift in mombasa: http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=822 or Chronopolis: http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=3527 but i dont know if you could attach it to the ship and i dont know which of those maps its in.

i kinda understand but it still sounds like my idea would work. just allow it to be used without a driver just like the cargo seats are.....you can sit in them without a driver.

also, you could have several markers per seat in a line

All the gravity lifts in halo CE don't work well, because they dont sync.

how do i make doors.

I have a fairly well grav lift tag that would probably work but, it is scenery ( i think that's what you wanted right?) i did not make them i got them from a coagulation map there is two tag folders one with the visual effects/model and the other that pushes you up you need both to make it look right though. I will edit my post once I am done uploading them.

EDIT: here is the link http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tmdgtgm2ern. There you go :D
Edited by pakar45 on Jan 17, 2009 at 05:02 PM

look these up in Max's help (F1)

hide parts of mesh not attached to the main hull by selecting all and de-selecting the hull, using Element sub-geometry mode.
if you deselect something behind the hull instead, ctr-z to undo, and try again
define door geometry by dividing faces and turning edges. Divide a couple, turn a couple, and don't let the edges get too skinny

edges vis/invisable - vis edges will define door
select poly mode
detach doors to element, but not clone, one by one
select open edges
extrude, in local
hide faces which aren't the doors
select open edges again
cap holes
detach doors 1 by 1 to objects, but not clones
unhide all faces
make a doors frame, hinges, and interior if needed, using conventional methods (see below)

someone will be along shortly with some good tut suggestions. Thank you for your patience

ok a few final questions when the passengers enter the phantom through the grav lift.....could they freely walk around in the phantom?

also i know this will sound crazy but could i make a fourth fire that makes the whole phantom go invisible like the heretic phantoms in halo 3 do? (i know that is asking for a little to much but i wanna make it as close to a h3 phantom as possible).

idk how to do it but i do know that is actualy not askign much of anything because invisiblilty is a easier item to handle then gravity.

he cloaked wraith had a double model for a shader_transparent_water that I assume made it shimmer while it's hull shader was invisable due to function wiring of crouch.
And there was this idea that making the floor a climbable material would allow a player to stick to a vehicle while it moved, but I don't know how that turned out. Even with a platform device machine, it must move smoothly or the player falls off.