If the front cowling isn't being used to house electronics, there's no real reason to have it.

the way he has it set up, there's a large portion of it which could feasibly house the electronics.

There's no smartscope, though, and since he has seperate, self-contained modules for the ammo counter and optics, I don't know what it would be housing.

mentos, gum, and tic-tacs obviously.

I see your point which is why I am sort of against a cowling but the whole rifle it'self feels somewhat incomplete without one.






Thermals? NODS? Though the weight would be bordering on the extreme for the average marine or the unseasoned ODST. Maybe I should re-brand this as "the spartan rifle".




MAWS UPDATE








Cowling:



- Topo -

(Features, 3 modules: Cowling, Cowling shroud, Shroud extension.)





MRDS:




It's minimal but has a unique presence which is why I did not feel compelled to overly incorporate eye catching details which would inevitably be lost due to it's placement in fp.

- Topo -



Battle Rifle Variant Barrel Sink:

(Helps differentiate between AR and BR setups.)



- Topo -



Flashlight and mount:

(Wasn't a huge fan of the concept flash light, I do have it modelled as a back up however.



- Topo -





I'm happy with it so far, though I'm skeptical whether or not anyone is going to be able to incorporate every single attachment into the animation process....





To do list: (feel free to add on)


. Flip up iron sights.

. Charging handles. (ar/br)

. Br barrel.

. Full length cowling???

. Suppressors. (finalization)

. Muzzle Choke?

. Flashlight cable switch.

. Confectionery storage.
Edited by Super Flanker on Mar 6, 2016 at 01:15 PM

Muzzle Choke? Those are for shotguns. If you mean a muzzle break, that's not particularly useful on low caliber weapons. Already has a flash suppressor, so yeah.

As far as your wanting to use a cover thing on the top, it could just be a dust cover. Then it has purpose without being completely useless. I dunno how you'd incorporate that in-game, but it's an idea.

So you know, i'll be doing a full set of animations for this to be put ingame (as well as using the fancy models for my own personal usage), and I do intend to make use of all the attachments (Really the only change is in the grips for the origins, and maybe the reload for the BR setup. You could have different pose animations but I don't think that would make too much a difference?

Dust covers are for keeping things out of the receiver. The MA5's receiver is all the way at the back, and the cowling is all the way up front.

@Flanker: I think you'd need the equivalent of a smartscope anyway if you were going to put thermals in there.

There's also a lot of visual noise that you could do without.

Personally I think those pieces give the gun some detail in the empty spaces, while the BR cover could do with them being less prominent, the scope ones are probably gonna be baked down anyways, so I don't think it would matter too much


Edit: Flanker, add a BR-styled carry handle that replaces that rail, and then have a secondary rail ontop of that handle (which also means BR scope ayy)
Edited by R93_Sniper on Mar 6, 2016 at 04:03 PM

yeah it's not like it's greebling or whatever it's called.

Put a BR carry handle, with a rail on top for a BR scope that also has rail on top

https://youtu.be/onWDeEWbCBw
http://imgur.com/a/28Wi0

little "reach'y" m6c magnum im working on. ill probably need a new texture for it too.
theres also the ma5k model, which ill need to completly reshape, lets just hope it wont stretch out the texture too bad ;n;
im not happy with the ma5k model in general though, so im not sure if im even going to keep it, but well see i guess.
Edited by tillice on Mar 10, 2016 at 05:07 PM

"The greebles themselves served no purpose other than to fill space and individually had no definite function" - Greeble, Wikipedia

Oops forgive my ignorance I will omit it from my personal list.

I thought muzzle breaks reduced recoil?



If you have to redo origins won't you have to redo them for the start and end of every single animation which incorporates a different foregrip?



I see your point but It would become a scope frenzy with all the optical aids I have situated at the moment.




I'd prefer if I could dump all the scopes into one setup and then use a full length cowling for another but I don't have enough mental energy to conjur up a design extension without the aid of DIRECTLY INFLUENCED art. :(



Yes and no, the "greebling" does add visual interest to an area which otherwise would look flat and boring.

However it is too prominent to soley be the responsibility of the normal map. (The scope that is)



I've experimented by directly kitbashing the h3 and h4 carry handles with and without a rail, unfortunately both seem to look out of place. (this is a phne post so forgive my lack of evidence)

Although this \/



Does intrigue me.

I'd need to cut in a few slats to make it maluable but compared to previous tribulations it really isn't much of an ordeal.

Oh and which kind of br scope?



Preserve uv's maybe of some assistance however cutting and chopping various pieces of a prebaked mesh can be incredibly destructive for the normals which support the nml map.

In addition your m6c does not seem to incorporate an ejection port, which is a crucial element for any pistol or indeed gun for that matter.



Unless you are firing caseless munitions.

I do enjoy the effectiveness however of drafting a design such as yours from various other pieces, that being said I would only ever use such works as a reference to look back upon whilst re-creating the actual ingame model.

Muzzle breaks could technically be applied to this, but the general purpose is to have baffles catch some of the exhaust gasses to pull the barrel forward, reducing the force applied to the gun itself. Also iirc they do warp the barrel just a bit with each round fired. They send the exhaust out to the side which is why the M1128 doesn't have one anymore.

So basically, they are used nearly exclusively on high caliber weaponry relative to what's holding it. A man portable 30mm cannon would have one, but if you mounted it to a tank, you don't need a muzzle break as the mounting has enough strength and the vehicle has enough mass to absorb the force of the recoil.

I see your point then, thank you for clearing that up.

Charging handles:


A)


http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/257632mawss11.jpg

B)


http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/390432mawss8.jpg

C)


http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/635491mawss5.jpg

D)


http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/750776mawss3.jpg

Oh and a few examples of what I was talking about earlier if anything sparks your interest let me know......

there is indeed an ejection port, but its not visible on the model.

and im still trying to do the reshaping of the models, i will refine areas that looks bad once the main idea is finshed.
Edited by tillice on Mar 11, 2016 at 11:46 AM

@Flanker

Charging handle B would look best if you added something to the tip to make it smooth and enclosed rather than open.

As for the BR Stuff, I like the traditional styled BR but I would suggest adding some sort of rail mount where the scope is up to about halfway down, something Akin to a M4/M16 Styled Mount

I could, but that style of mount only works because the m-16 carry handle which it's mounted upon has gradual slope, the br carry handle has no slope just a recessed section in which the rail rests.



It would be better (and easier for me :P) to just elongate the mount point for the rail thus making the rail longer and allowing you to do add more than one attachment.









I'm of course more than willing to try it your way, just remember it would require a specialized type of rail meaning more unique uv's. I could of course make the current example even longer if required.

Oh and I'm going to have to cut down my to do list in light of the amount of stuff I just realised I'd have to unwrap and bake. (+25 pieces!!!!)


To do list:

. Magazine pull rings.

. Br style barrel.

. Finish the br carry handle.
Edited by Super Flanker on Mar 18, 2016 at 11:55 AM

Your current setup actually looks about right. The ammo counter for the carry handle seems a bit squished though. Also, signature BR triangles on the reciever?

Yeah I see your point I think bringing it further up should do the trick otherwise it's scale matches the H2A variant pretty closely.

Br receiver?

I'll add to the list, though it will probably end up being an imitation of sorts.
Edited by Super Flanker on Mar 18, 2016 at 01:08 PM

Yeah only on the br receiver. Its fine if it looks kinda like an imitation, so long as it captures the general feel thats iconic with the rifle.

Minor Update








- Topo -






More things to do: (even though I now have 70+ obj's to LP, DEBUG, UNWRAP+BAKE)


- BR - Heat shield - (I don't want to do this but the greebles say it needs doing)

- BR - Palm Grip - (Got an okayish idea for this)

- BR - Gas block -

- BR - Receiver - (Needs a new one because dorito triangles don't meld well with the ar)

- Magpul Rings - (It's in the reference so.......yeah.)

I think the magazine reciever has too many unnecessary details, and you should try to make something that fit ergonomics instead, a thing that would be of the shape of when you pull the mag or something. The 2 buttons in front are just good though

WOW so a dual scoped AR? neat

Nah, i dont like it.
Edited by Halonimator on Mar 30, 2016 at 05:23 PM

fugggg off

I think we both agreed that the squares were kinda weird but in the end, they're part of the reference and the idea was to make the gun pretty much as is from the reference and go from there. The Y indents are rather odd but I guess that's just flanker's way of handling it. Personally I would prefer the BR/DMR styled Triangles on the rear receiver and a clearer space over up front (Perhaps a BR styled forward carry grip rather than the AR lower rail.

I've mentioned this to flanker recently, but whether or not he's able to do this is a different story. It's a tradeoff, do you want to have a million pieces and a pissed off modeler, or a happy modeler with a few less pieces of better quality. Personally I prefer the latter myself.

they are floating geom, but it looks super weird without it.

didn't 343 just stick a red dot sight on top of an assault rifle

something this place has been disparaging for years?

I really don't think it needs one, especially not the way they have it mounted. If they wanted to incorporate that functionality, I think it'd have been better to either patch it into the display via smartlink, or to remove the ammo counter entirely and substitute it with the reflex sight.

This particular AR probably needs it even less, given how many optics are already strapped onto it.

Quote: --- Original message by: bourrin33
I think the magazine reciever has too many unnecessary details

I sort of understand what you are speaking about here but could you circle out or describe which specific portions you feel are unnecessary?

Quote: --- Original message by: bourrin33
and you should try to make something that fit ergonomics instead, a thing that would be of the shape of when you pull the mag or something. The 2 buttons in front are just good though

But the magazine well does conform to the shape of the magazine. Again however I sort of understand your point of view it's slightly boxy but remember, it's borrowing the upper portion of the receiver from the AR variant which was created specifically to accept a triple stack magazine config.

The additional magazine interoperability feature in a real world scenario would hardly be noticeable.

E.g





As seen in the images above these two rifles are highly similar in make but they fire two completely different rounds and in order to cut down on an expensive explicitly custom parts both models share very little in the way of artistic difference which is incredibly useful for a wide variety of reasons.

However.

Within the game realm it just looks plane and simple lazy which is why I wanted to the BR receiver to come across as an afterthought or a portrayal which would feel less of an intended feature and more of a modification.

If you have any sort of art I could use though I may look into remaking that piece providing the art-director agrees.

Quote: --- Original message by: ScarFOx
WOW so a dual scoped AR? neat

It's referred to more as a hybrid set-up, but yes there are two sorts of optics.

Quote: --- Original message by: Halonimator
Nah, i dont like it.
Edited by Halonimator on Mar 30, 2016 at 05:23 PM

I'd be inclined to pay more attention to your opinion if you would be kind enough to articulate as to "why you don't like it".

Quote: --- Original message by: t3h m00kz

Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker

- BR - Heat shield - (I don't want to do this but the greebles say it needs doing)

- BR - Palm Grip - (Got an okayish idea for this)

are these the areas around the front grip? i dont know my gun anatomy

the repeating squares on the front grip and the repeating upside down Y paterns are a bit of an eyesore, but everything else seems pretty solid

don't know what you're planning to do with the back receiver but the indentations could be shallower

aside from that, it's on-point

e: while it may be my favorite color ever, you can take your teal and stuff it
Edited by t3h m00kz on Apr 2, 2016 at 04:15 AM

Yes the palm grip is in reference to.....the....grip where you place your...left hand palm :D

Full disclaimer here I don't like it either personally, I mean it reminds me way too much of how keltec uses those similar squares in their very own products:



In fact upon closer inspection I think the artist borrowed too much character from that /\ particular rifle. (RFB in case you were interested....no? Okay I'll move on.)

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper
I think we both agreed that the squares were kinda weird but in the end, they're part of the reference and the idea was to make the gun pretty much as is from the reference and go from there.

That is pretty much my modelling mantra summed up, very rarely do I deviate from a reference unless I am EXTREMELY confident that whatever I have firing around in my neurons will work. However I really, really do not want that palm grip to feature on the BR.

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper
The Y indents are rather odd but I guess that's just flanker's way of handling it. Personally I would prefer the BR/DMR styled Triangles on the rear receiver and a clearer space over up front (Perhaps a BR styled forward carry grip rather than the AR lower rail. I've mentioned this to flanker recently, but whether or not he's able to do this is a different story.

In retrospect they do look WAY off but I guess that particular design decision speaks to my inability to create any sort object be it virtual or actual without the aid of an instruction manual or guide.


To try and clear this matter up since it has amassed plainly negative feedback (and rightfully so) what I was trying to do was differentiate that heat sink against the non y indented AR heat sink. Admittedly I failed BADLY. Mainly I think because I really was not sure how I was supposed to make it different whilst also being Br'y whilst also conforming to the surrounding meshes hence the terrible Y indentions, I'm ashamed of it, I've actually since deleted it in favour of a better object, let's not talk about it any longer.

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_SniperIt's a tradeoff, do you want to have a million pieces and a pissed off modeler, or a happy modeler with a few less pieces of better quality. Personally I prefer the latter myself.

Spot on, although I rarely get pissed off, just really really bored and sick of mind block.

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper

Quote: --- Original message by: t3h m00kz
if it's floating geo I'd imagine it shouldn't be too painful.

otherwise, welp

rip

they are floating geom, but it looks super weird without it.

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/86/73/49/ar10.jpg

That it does.

Quote: --- Original message by: Echo77

Quote: --- Original message by: BKTiel
didn't 343 just stick a red dot sight on top of an assault rifle

something this place has been disparaging for years?

I really don't think it needs one, especially not the way they have it mounted. If they wanted to incorporate that functionality, I think it'd have been better to either patch it into the display via smartlink, or to remove the ammo counter entirely and substitute it with the reflex sight.

This particular AR probably needs it even less, given how many optics are already strapped onto it.

Ammo display or no ammo display I'm not really fussed. I will say however the reason we have it is because if you look in the reference you should clearly be able to discern between the two images that the artist intended for the ammunition display to be removable, that much is clear.





As I said either way if a decision comes to axe the ammo display I'm not fussed since I don't have to patch anything up since it is a separate element.

The way I see it I think a hybrid scope/munitions display does sort of make sense since it alleviates the stress and burden upon an operator who is resource concious and naturally when it comes down to taking that critical shot all you have to do is flip your readout out of the way, take your shot and then flip back to check just how many rounds you have left.

I should point out however that a Spartans visor and of course the ODST equivalent does pretty much render the munitions relay module obsolete.

Food for thought if you are some sort of weapons tech company CEO stealing ideas on the web. :/


Updates!









New BR orientated receiver and a more suitable heat shield.....minus y indents.

- Topo -



Heat shield, not too sure about the rail placement since any attachments may clip with exuberant fp arm models.


Trigger guard & grip.


Receiver complete with triangles as requested.

Ideas are welcome!
Edited by Super Flanker on Apr 5, 2016 at 10:12 AM

Flanker have you maybe thought about making a more square scope like in Halo 4?



Or like in this concept:


Sadly there is no fp view version of this concept so you'll have to think of something for it.(maybe look at h4)

I like what you're doing, and hopefully you will consider my request.

Quote: --- Original message by: SBB_Michelle
Flanker have you maybe thought about making a more square scope like in Halo 4?
https://i.gyazo.com/931cf5685fd2cc34d3d1086497d1a80f.png
https://i.gyazo.com/484730d042c3a95a0a62825e662bc1bf.png

Or like in this concept:


Sadly there is no fp view version of this concept so you'll have to think of something for it.(maybe look at h4)

I like what you're doing, and hopefully you will consider my request.

Thank you Michelle for coming forward with this exquisite concept, I just wish it was a little less stylized? I think would be the appropriate term.

- Topo -



What are your thoughts?

Edited by Super Flanker on Apr 8, 2016 at 11:30 AM

I have always thought of the square scope as a digital one (Probably because of little details like target distance), maybe add like a small panel for buttons.
With the buttons I would think of having cool settings like magnification, night-vision and having the light on or off.

Maybe something like this:


I was thinking about having them placed in this way:



Thanks for making it, I really like it.
I definitely want to use it with or without the buttons.
(Probably more with the buttons though.)


Yea, I found this while I was digging for concepts for Halo and Halo-like guns, and then found it again when looking for some references for the scope idea.
And yea, it is pretty stylized, I just thought it would be useful for the scope part.

Please don't be banned.
Edited by MrCool on Apr 8, 2016 at 05:30 PM