I watched a movie, witch at the end, something caught my attention.. I saw the monitor floating around, and picking things up.. so I plugged my headphones in, and started listining.. in H3, there is some odd game type where each team has a player as the monitor.. their monitors can pickup items, vehicles, equipment.. you could grab a friend in a tank, lift him up, and put him in a high place to missle snipe :P or drop a warthog on the enemys lol

Now.. I was thinking.. this is SOOOOO 1337, so since im good at scripting, ill try to work it out.. there are a few set up scenarios ive thought of.. one is where teh first player to join is the only monitor, and he is suposto supply either team.. but I doubt he will lol. next scenario.. the monitor is 2 differnt vehicles, anyone can get on the vehicles, and they then become locked as the monitors.. now.. both those options didnt sound very apealing to me.. next option is that after a certain number of players joins, it kills all players, and sets it as first to get to a volume trigger behind each base becomes the monitor (the killing make sure that reds cant cheats and sit at blue base to take their monitor aswell.. then they spawn back at their base, and they can hop in the changer)

imagin the future in HCE.. grab a enemy shee out of the air and have it blown to bits lol, lieing saying that they are offering a tank to the other side as they send their monitor in covered in C4's (the monitors will be deathless just to tell you.. lol) having tanks carryed infrount of a army of people as the monitor blocks all the missle barashes.. and then having someone in a ghost carryed up a cliff just so they could get to a sniping point, adn they never have to leave since the monitor brings em ammo :P although.. if you get a bad monitor, he could only suply you with rockets even in a situation where you know you'll blow your own head off.. and he might carry you in a tank, and drop you from like 50 feet up trying to squish someone below

who all agrees its 1337? and who all has acualy played H3 that could explain more about it so that we have a beter vision of what they did, and what we could do that they didnt think of :P lol

I Agree, Do It, It Would Be <INSERT BEST KNOWN HAPPY WORD HERE>
Hehe

igot it! have the monitor as a biped.... and enters a seat... and pick up vehi from there... MONITOR WARZ! (bacicly u can still move arround while in a gunner seat or passanger seat making the fly thing)

actually i did not even know u posted.... so this would have been third on page... lol (tis may have less scripting involved though)

i have seen it, its pretty awesome. you can your teammate to stand on a tank while the monitor carries you to the other side.

also you can stand on the monitor itself and he can fly way up high and snipe people. but if he goes too fast you'll fall off. you also cannot be in a vehicles seat while the monitor picks it up. that would be awesome to get in a gauss hog turret and fly around shooting people.
Edited by corndogman939 on Sep 26, 2007 at 02:11 PM

I was gonna just do it with the part about moving things around, but I could do a buying system where you start out with like 500, certain items cut 50, but if there isnt 50 or more, it cant. I dont realy think the buying items will work that well..

anyways, the way for the monitor to pick things up.. (objects_can_see_flag <object_list> <cutscene_flag> <real>) 2 or 3 bipeds that if they all see that thing, they attach it to the monitor.. now, to make sure it doesnt get used to push something threw the map, it attachs and detachs as long as the flashlight is on (that way it can bounce off a wall and land outside control zone meaning it gets dropped)

the boxes would have to be vehicles.. almost everything that can be lifted has to be a vehicle.. the other ones would be like weapons, or equipment (imagin throwing bolders around LOL) anyways.. id have to script weapon respawn in if the weapon was liftable, cause it would have to be a SP weapon, not a MP one..


anyone have some good movies of monitor gametype? I wana watch more vids before I get it ingame. also, anyone post things they think should be added that wernt in H3 (tell us that they wernt in H3 aswell so we dont think this coo-coo idea was in H3 lol)
I myself was thinking mb put a gravity gun on it aswell so it can pull items from across the map, or push things.. it will be better since it wouldnt have to be lifted up to move everything.

Kirby, I'd give you loads of vids... If my 360 will cooperate.... It could be a month though...

Isnt that Forge?When the player turns into monitor..Is the vid on High ground??

The bottom guy is just putting turrets in one spot, you can see the monitor though.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3685653821831205620&q=Halo+3+Forge&total=335&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

ya, the biped looking with 2 or more bipeds= portable volume trigger :P imagin 2 bipeds looking at eachother.. they have 45 degree veiw.. (1)<*>(2) the star is the place where the volume trigger effect would be, imagin that star as a volume trigger.

anyways, if I added the purches thing, it would be a box type thing in the middle of the map where only one could be added at a time.. but buying things might get anoying if I released the script (like 30 of each vehicle that they could choose from.. lol, to many for a scenario to handle..), and I think everyone would wana use this script lol, so it needs to be understandable (although ill probly talk to guru and have him add it in his scripted after im done)

I cant work on it today at home since I have a family get together after school, and then if I do get the computer in the night, I have some homework.. (I did like 2 lines of script here at school already)

they are portable because they are attached to a object (objects_attach.. lol).. anyways, normaly, a biped would look in the one direction, and not realy turn, but you script them into AI, and set their looking target as eachother.. they will then always stare at eachother meaning they are always creating that volume between them

anyways, ive watched a few more vids of it where they talked more about it.. so, in H3, anyone can become a monitor at will?.. lol.. I realy dont feel that as a smart idea.. so im gonna make 2 versions, one based on how I feel it should work with hte set out people, and oen with everyone able to become a monitor and stuff like H3... but mine is higher priority for me since I myself like my idea of it over bungies lol.

Yep, that sums it up cheats. Limited # of vehicles, scenery, teleporters, goals, weapons, equipment(includes nades) and one other thing I cant think of off the top of my head. (I'll get back to ya later on it)

There are ways to make the monitor invincible, to all but death barriers and snowbound turrets, which kill all, bubble shelds dont work, only large amounts of scenery.

I made a bunker fulla like 40 explosives.... Almost like an 8 second long explosion, considering propane tanks fly around flaming....

I'll get vids, seeing as my XBL now has decided to update, hopefully my 360 became smarter and now knows not to defy me... XD

my monitor is gonna be deathless. and its preaty obvious they cant add scripts.. that is H3 lol, you cant even add scripts in H2V, so what makes you think scripts would be built into H3? (I couldnt recreate script adding anyways unless I had like 5 billion script posiblitys that they could select, and thats pointless) and volumetriggers.. what would be the point of adding them? they would be waste of scripts to set up, they'd be as if they didnt exist anyways.
and you cant change flag adn spawn points are. although.. I might be able to set up some sort of lieing system and cover the whole map with spawn points, it belives they are blocked, but you can remove these tiny mini rocks that blocked the spawn points.. but that would be to much trouble lol. acualy.. I could use portable volumetrigger for teleporters since those where placeable.. but that would take quite a bit more scripting, and I was just planning to have objects moveable in my version.. but I do also have to release another version that is more acurate to H3 for the H3 fans.. lol

I might try making the monitor a biped and script enter the person into him.. idk if it would work, but you can add seats to bipeds, so why not? lol. and all I have to do to remove him exiting the monitor is to make a duplicate of W-driver that has the exit animation removed :P that means you can only make him exit by flipping, and I could add rider_ejection 0, but anyways.. if its biped, ive never seen a biped flip lol, so that problem is automaticly solved :P

well, for my copy, im gonna have it so that hes locked, deathless, and I probly will use a dropship so it will seem more like the monitor. and there is a flag for invisible in the seat section.. it makes hte person in that seat invisible.. lol

Using a script you could detect whether or not a player was holding the flag or oddball. If it is possible to prevent a vehicle from being boardable to a specific player that would work rather well as a solution for anti-noobish stuff.


They could easily get out to grab it so that won't quite work. I would favor preventing players from entering the monitor if they are holding the flag or oddball instead. However, if you lock them in the monitor that works too.

If you guys go with the monitor as a biped approach, boarding it would be entirely scripted ( unless you need to use a seat for it ) so it would be fairly easy to first check whether or not they were holding the flag or oddball before letting the player enter it via the script.


Edited by SGWraith on Sep 28, 2007 at 02:28 PM

its gonna be like 95% script, its not gonna have that much tagging to it lol

well you could get a team mate to pick up the flag then stand on top of the monitor and fly away.

I had thought that the command: (unit_set_enterable_by_player <unit> <boolean>)
would allow you to deny access to a vehicle on an individual basis, like if you detected that they had the flag with: (unit_has_weapon <unit> <object_definition>),
so that won't quite work that well. Instead you could use: (unit_exit_vehicle <unit>)
to make them get out.

Alternatively you could also just rip them out of the monitor with a object_teleport command and put them back at the flag stand but that could be tricky with the assault game type.. Killing them might be easier but then the moniter is sitting there in enemy territory.


Edited by SGWraith on Sep 28, 2007 at 03:05 PM

acualy, depending on how much turning power I give it.. he could pick someone up in a ghost, tip sideways, start turning for a overhand toss lol



im kinda depressed at the people of H2vista.net that are doubting this.. its realy quite simple (its just because I hang out overhere instead of there.. they think that everyone here is like the 50 newbs a day that join that I have to help lol)

Ya, thats unfortunate. Despite the amount of scripting it requires, this idea seems really possible. I guess all you can really do is finish it and prove them wrong that good things can come from here.

dude.. you can easly add menus for stuff. UI widgets can have scripts.. the spawn warthog would have use a script with (- to remove from a global variable witch would be your money, and it would find the first one of htat item witch health = -1 (destroyed/non-existant)

but buying items.. that doesnt realy seem like it would be that good for normal game play. my version of it wont have that (unless I only make it weapon purcuses since those are preaty flimsy anyways lol) but ill inclue the full buying for the H3 version I release.

Nope.... Its a seperate game mode. Theres the solo campaign mode, campaign/co-op campaign mode, Custom game (mode), theater (mode), Matchmaking (mode), and the Forge Game mode. Its basically a whole seperate type of Custom game, with its own specific lobby, seperate from custom game lobbies, and co-op/campaign lobbies. And everyone can be a monitor, or only the host... I've heard about one from each team being monitor, but haven't seen an option for it. It is like a gametype, but not really, considering you can play other gametypes in it, AKA, CTF (gametype) can be played inside the Forge. Same with all the other gametypes I believe....

I would check, if my 360 wasn't so retarted and senile... Stupid MS and its red rings of death....

Only way I've gotten into forge is by either switching the lobby, or going from teh main menu, never under a gametype...

Ya, I was fairly disappointed in the reaction. Conscars made some comments that were "apparently" misunderstood by Kirby.. I interpreted it the same way that Kirby did, that he was saying the project would fail and that nothing good comes from here. Now Kirby might get labeled a noob for "misunderstanding" what he said..

conscars might have been drunk last night, it was friday after all... and my last post in that topic should prove that he isnt thinking in his right mind, he just said dont twist words witch I hadnt, adn then right after he said that, he changed "treating" to "calling".. I have all the proof that he wasnt in his right mind at that moment lol

anyways.. its realy quite entertaining bouncing a rock around with a warthog.. its quite amazing how the simplest things are usualy the most entertaining lol

acualy.. I should apply the hud there to the other vehicles and see what tweeks I need to do before I release it.. lol

lol, the future is real time HPC log mods.. let the enemys build a huge tower, wait for them to get in it, melee a single suport, the whole thing falls over and kills them all lol (the newbs acualy gotta wory about structual sport since it can fall over lol)

I have already dicided how im rigging it up, after the first 4 players join, it kills all players so they resawn at their base, and they enter a volume trigger to choose their monitor.

discribe how it was playing it then so I know what to add to the HCE forge.. you stating you've played H3 is preaty pointless..

But he can be made to be deathless....

you can make the driver invisible with hht or guerilla

on my version of it, it wont have the buying, he'll be deathless, but on the H3 version I release ill have the buying, dieing monitors, where anyone can become a monitor, ect..

probably

ROCK ACTION!! lol

some things need work before I make a vid. like I need to make custom physics for hte monitor that dont make him flip rapidly (hes using peli physics witch realy doesnt work that well for small areas lol)

anyways.. hmm.. I realy should go rub this in conscars face lol (hmm.. but I should probly wait untill I have a vid.. lol)

ghosts cant move verticaly, and peli is the similarest thing to the sentinel (and monitors defaultly move like sentinels)

ill mess around with the peli settings and see if I can get it alot more acurate to a sentinel, but its the acuratest vehicle there is.