Everytime someone gets a good point against you, you just simply say that they're changing the topic and completely ignore the point.

If you think that I'm having this discussion because you're not hyped about SPV3 and I am, then I can safely asume that you're not paying attetion at all to my posts. In other words, it is true that I have a problem against someone who is not hyped about SPV3, but at this point I thought it was obvious that that was not the reason of the problem, so I'll stop this right here and play some TSC: E instead. But don't worry, you can now keep saying "I bet the TSC:E team left Masters cuz he sucks as well as SPV3, it'll never be as good as TSC:E, lolz", I won't say anything against that now.
Edited by Danger_zone_98 on Mar 3, 2015 at 03:09 PM

There we go. Glad we got that out of our systems right :-)

Lode, to address what you're saying, we're absolutely not trying to compete with the TSC:E team. The whole point of us splitting into two projects internally is that there was disagreement over which direction future work would go in. If you enjoyed TSC:E, then that's awesome. Everybody on the SPV3 team is really happy that it's got such a good response from the community.

The whole idea of SPV3 is to put a fresh spin on the classic Halo campaign, not recreate it from scratch. Recreating a full-length campaign from the BSP up would be absolutely unfeasible without a whole legion of talented level designers, which with us being a relatively small team of hobbyists, is simply not going to happen. It took the TSC:E team an absolutely monumental effort to achieve the level of quality and polish they got out of Halo's engine for one level.

So no, we can't possibly follow TSC:E up and still blow everybody away with something that will match up to its incredibly high standards, but nobody was expecting us to, either. We certainly hope it'll be an enjoyable retread of the original campaign though.

Oh that freaking bitch? Screw her, she needs to screw off from this community.

The inherent 'problem' is the fact that TSC:E was released first. Even if the BSPs are up to par with that (not saying they won't be) there is no way we can achieve the same 'wow factor' because you have all seen the weapons, abilities, and enemy encounters in TSC:E already. Moreso, even if the BSPs were better people wouldn't be as awed because they've seen all the other stuff and there may be less hype around the release of SPV3.

The BSPs all have custom elements in them that are sure to surprise and leave players with a sense of originality and familiarity at the same time.

I feel like spv3 will have its own 'wow factor' courtesy of the fact that it's a full length campaign mod. Everything will feel more or less "refreshed" rather than original, and that's perfectly fine for a campaign mod. There's also quite a lack of assets and features in b30:E compared to what masters has shown us with spv3, with AA's, skirmishers, Vehicle EMP'ing, and quite a few new weapons all being absent from B30:E, to name a few.

I don't think there's any reason to be less hyped about spv3 as a whole, but that's just me. The only real thing I'm a little less hyped about is the visuals, as spv3 will likely be lacking DLM's and have messier looking vanilla bsps.

^Only have to add that with SPV3 we can't aim for a visual bar as high as TSC:E, as even with our new areas we want it to feel seamless with the original game.

These projects are different strokes for different folks, but I think they both will generate plenty of replay value and have their own areas they excel in.

Please make something with we can play the SPV3 in coop
just imagine playing the maw race with a friend!

That can't happen. You can't sync the netcode properly, or something like that.

Apologies if this has been addressed already but... The reasoning for SPV3 not using DLMs is...?

http://www.halomods.com/ips/index.php?/topic/608-what-do-youwant-to-see-in-spv3/page__view__findpost__p__9913

Remember how long it took B30:E's lightmaps to render?

Now imagine doing that across 10, multi-bsp'd maps. We'd be lucky if we saw a release before 2020.

Or at least, that's how I understand it.
Edited by Delicon20 on Mar 4, 2015 at 01:19 AM

A10 has I believe 13 BSPs,
A30 5
A50 4 (but one would be real easy to do)
B30 has 2
B40 has 14

And that's just part 1

come on make a DLM upgrade in the future pleaseeee

not how that works

Are human vehicles going to be affected by EMP blasts, like Covenant vehicles will?
Edited by austen1000 on Mar 5, 2015 at 10:32 AM

No, you can't currently make that happen.

No but Gravity Grenades can suck them in.



That is precisely the plan. SPV3 is designed to provide maximum replayability and with the idea of adding more while maintaining the feel of H1. The best way I can describe it without being to wordy is that every Halo sequel (and to an extent but not as severely Evolved) decides to re-invent itself, rather than build on the strengths of their predecessors. Because of that, nothing feels like a true sequel to H1, and rather feels like a spinoff. Compare that to something like Gears of War, where each sequel builds and adds more to address the weaknesses of the previous games and amp things up to the next level. I prefer this iterative design rather than innovative design the Halo franchise takes, which I think is how most people want their sequels done considering the vast gap in opinions of all the Halo games.

Funny enough, ODST seems to be held in high regard because it refines and builds off H3's design rather than throw it out all together (blah reach)
Edited by Masters1337 on Mar 5, 2015 at 12:23 PM

I actually thought ODST was one of the worst Halo's (with the exception of the vehicular levels), along with Reach.
For a game focused on survival on Earth, there was very little marine action going on as well. And the few marines that were present all fell like flies from the slightest damage.

Yeah, I was expecting squad-based combat, a greater disparity between the feel of playing as a Spartan and playing as an ODST, instead I got a Halo 3 mod where I got to wander around in the dark by myself. :C

Not really. It was just a sequence of firefight encounters. Proper squad-based gameplay is stuff such as "open, flash und clear" (for the rainbow six fans here).

Rainbow six?

Havn't played that in4ever.

And Covenant forces will use Gravity Grenades, correct?

The main draw of ODST, for me at the time it first came out, was the Firefight mode. As I was a console gamer back then, and didn't have access to things such as AI bot mods (I play video/computer games solo), I was limited in the way I could play most games. I was stuck playing campaign mode for alot of games, so, Firefight in ODST was a welcomed addition. Maybe playing campaign mode so much while I was a console gamer is why I dislike being limited to it for games that have other modes of play so much nowadays (though I do play campaign mode for games that I have other options for me on rare occasions). Though this does not make me any less excited for SPV3, and has not stopped me from enjoying TSC:E.
Edited by austen1000 on Mar 7, 2015 at 07:55 PM

Well he did say before a few times that the brutes will use them as well as some elites and the grunt ultra. Also does SPV3 use the Ghost firing sounds that was in TSC:E? As well for the Wraith's and Banshee's.

Then everything is balanced out. Thank you.

No problem.

I think i broke my elite

Edited by raphaelBLOOD WAR on Mar 7, 2015 at 08:51 PM

Rest in Pieces.

cool

For SPV3 TSC:E will "all" encounters be changed?

There are no plans to make significant changes to the encounters. Some stuff like the Brute canyon needs to be readjusted as the average SPV3 Brute is unarmoured and we don't have chieftains either. We also have the Elite Honor Guard for the fight into the cartographer.

There currently exists no builds of SPV3 TSC:E other than some old prototypes, as technically the map still isn't done. But the existing version's encounters are very well done, and I see no reason to change them other than the prior mentioned above.

So then are you just not trying to show that you believe you can do a better job in creating a more fun sandbox than the TSC:E team? If literally almost all the rest is going to be the same.

E: edited to take Il Duce's wise words into consideration.
Edited by DaLode on Mar 15, 2015 at 10:10 AM

Balance is a horible word. That word means absolutely nothing. A better phrase is that the sandbox will be more fun in SPV3.

And it just got quiet.