im pretty sure Valentin was just stating the obvious


The majority of people do have something against you, deal with it.

Many people have something against you. You post far too much, be it questions that are better off being answered by being patient, inaccurate information from your own assumptions, quoting yourself, etc.

To put us off from this current topic of conversation, I say we try and deduce what kind of weapon the Spiker replacement is.

In terms of functionality? I would guess that their Brute Plasma Rifle is intended to serve the same role as the Spiker, as they've reduced the rate of fire and increased the damage.

Actually, the BPR we have simply because we want to define brute plasma fire from elites, and to have a slower ROF in order to prevent projectile spam when in a firefight with a brute pack.

The spiker replacement is weaker against shields, and devastating to flesh which gives the illusion of brute packs working in together to strip your shield with one weapon and kill your health with another.



That was one thing we did think about doing, but then you also have the timing to mess with for the actually melee event, and no way to tie the regular melee to battery. Plus also being able to do it when you have a enemy in your range without using object lists of every enemy in the map.


It's going to be in with dual Assault Rifles with Grenade Launchers but we have no model yet.
Edited by Masters1337 on Aug 21, 2014 at 09:45 PM

It's going to be in with dual Assault Rifles with Grenade Launchers but we have no model yet.


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Can't weak to break it immediately.

Given that it's weaker again shields I can imagine it fires some kind of projectile-based ammunition, kind of like an Reverse Plasma Pistol. Maybe some sort ballistic design? I doubt CMT is going to use spikes, as the similarity to the Spiker would be too much there.

So far, the new weapons seems to compliment another in some way. I.e, the DMR/BR and the BPP. I imagine the Focus Carbine will be used in conjunction with this new weapon a lot, as it's a "Long-range shield stripper", if I recall correctly.

Have you considered belt-fed conversions of the MA5, or are they just going to have bottomless magazines?


It definitely sounds like it's going to be firing a tangible projectile. While spikes are well-suited to Brute weaponry, if we were to exclude those, other potential alternatives would be dumbfire (i.e. non-homing) Needler-esque crystalline projectiles, some form of radioactive slugs based on the technology used by the Covenant Carbine, or some sort of brutal, high-caliber shotgun slug-esque round designed to splinter and deform on impact.
Edited by Echo77 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Hasn't been decided yet but yeah some form of belt going into a box under the goose would be something we'll probably explore. Although halo reloading mechanisms never made much sense on vehicles.

Also I have always hated bungie cheaped out and went to create a covenant version of human bullets. Hence particle carbine.

I don't think it'll be related to the Covvie Carbine, as if you recall, the CMT version doesn't use radioactive slugs, but particle rifle technology. The shotgun idea seems a bit like a Mauler, and I think Masterz said that SPV3 wouldn't have those. But it could be based off the same idea, like you said. Since we don't even have a name for it, it's hard to speculate. All we know is that Brute's wield it with one hand and it's about the size of the Spiker, minus the blades.

Please do this.

The ghost's specific niche as a vehicle lies in the combination of a weak but constant fire rate, coupled with the ability to strafe and always be on target. Ghosts literally circle their prey while slowly bringing them down.


The mongoose can't strafe, so you'll have to constantly be re-adjusting your alignment to stay on target. Enemies can just quickly move out of your firing range if you're not constantly moving forward or backward to keep facing them.


This creates an entirely unique play style. Where the ghost stalks, mongooses will have to attack in forward bursts and then drive away. Making its weapons system have to reload after use, compliments this "pounce-retreat" play style.

It's the difference between a sniper rifle and a focus rifle. Also, it's more characteristic of human tech to be powerful, but require reloading, while covenant tech sacrifices brute strength for efficiency.


I was originally opposed to this armament for the mongoose because I thought it might be OP (see: Bulldog), but now I think it can work if you limit it with a reload system.

There are belt-fed conversions of the M16-series that may be helpful references for how one might go about creating a belt-fed variant of the MA5. I don't think you would want the ammunition to be stored under the vehicle, though.


When you say "Covenant version of human bullets," are you referring to the technology utilized by the Covenant Carbine? Because that's just scaled-down fuel rod tech. It's as handwaved as their plasma weapons, comparable to conventional human ammunition only in the regard that it fires a solid projectile.


Right, their carbine equivalent has been converted to a particle weapon, but the cruder, more technologically "primitive" aspects of hurling a slug of radioactive material would be better-suited to the Brutes than a particle weapon would.

The Mauler's ammunition is more comparable to a shotgun shell loaded with buckshot: it fires a spread of projectiles. A shotgun slug, on the other hand, fires a single, larger projectile that can be designed to do all sorts of nasty things upon entering flesh. Shotgun slug-esque ammo would be suitable if they were aiming for something that might be Mauler-esque in appearance, but doesn't necessarily play like a Mauler.

Precisely why I feel it's a worthy addition to the sandbox. It's almost like playing a game of chicken as you unleash bullets towards your enemies and let off well timed grenades, as opposed to the poor mans warthog it plays as in the official games.



Yeah I was referring to the carbine as an example of "covenant bullets". The Fuel Rod was battery based as well and had no ammo, up until H2 decided to do so. Our hunter based weapons are all "battery based" as well. I use parenthesis because some do use ammo internally for the HUD and better management of ammo, but to the player it will seem like any other battery based weapon.
Edited by Masters1337 on Aug 22, 2014 at 12:20 AM

The Fuel Rod is only battery-based in Combat Evolved. I suspect that this may be (at least partially) due to the fact that it wasn't originally intended to be used by the player, and was only seen utilized by Covenant forces (who, being AI, never needed to reload) and fitted with a dead man switch. It's clip-fed in four of the five games it's featured in, which is why I associate fuel rod tech with tangible projectiles more often than I associate it with battery operation.
Edited by Echo77 on Aug 22, 2014 at 04:48 PM

I can't say I understand how you think post halo 1 fuel rod tech is more relatable to human bullets than covenant technology. The projectiles of the carbine (maybe not so much in H2, but in halo 3) and fuel rod rounds are slower than human bullets (in halo any time you pull the trigger of a bullet based weapon of any kind, the projectile is almost instantly at it's destination point, the travel time is next to none) and share more common properties with plasma than bullets, being more effective vs. shields. Additionally, fuel rod tech is characteristically always explosive. The shot of a carbine shot seems to detonate on impact, the fuel rod cannon explodes violently on impact, even the post h1 hunter cannon has a pseudo-explosive beam that flashes brightly, spews out particles and debris, and applies instantaneous acceleration to objects, sending bodies and scenery flying around the map (Remember the halo 3 mission The Storm, when a hunter encounter in a crowded factory entrance would always cause traffic cones, construction workers, palettes, and all sorts of everything to fly around due to the explosive nature of the beam cannons until a mess of fusion coils were inevitably and finally tossed around in an explosive climax resulting in a massacre of friendly units and civilian workers? Hunters know how to make one hell of an entrance). And saying that because they reload rather than use battery systems isn't a valid excuse either, seeing as needler tech has always used a reload system since H1 as well, and no one's ever complained.

Well it's related in the sense that it's a solid projectile instead of a plasma bolt or energy beam, but it's still noteably different from a conventional bullet. Needle-based weapons are as comparable to human ballistic weaponry as Fuel Rod tech is.
Edited by Echo77 on Aug 22, 2014 at 08:24 PM

I want to give an opinion here, I have always found the needler to be odd in every halo game. The reloading shows the player pushing out the needles rather than inserting ammo of some sort. If you play 343 Guilty Spark you will find Needler Cystals there but why? Could it be that the ammunition was built into the needler? However SPV3 changes that with an actual realoading animation rather than pushing out needler. Remember this an opinion.

...what's your point?

There's really no logic or reason behind how or why a Needler functions. It just does. CMT attempted to remedy this somewhat by changing the reload animation to one that actually shows ammunition being inserted into the weapon.

Of course a simple minded poster such as yourself could never understand the wisdom in his posts. Spartan_234 is the latest model and you lag behind him in terms of excellence. Spartan_234 is love, Spartan_234 is life.

check yourself before you 234 yourself.

You just don't understand the depth of Spartan_234's posts. They have layers...

Welcome to halomaps everyone.
Now It's only one week before TSC:E is out and thank goodness.

What exactly was the point of this post.
What did you accomplish.
who are you releying this welcome to.
who was asking for the release date information/countdown.

No one was.

Stop. Spam. Posting.
Please, for the love of everything that is good stop

Is anime something you invest in or is it weird?
I can't tell from the fact that you find that I'm the only person you can take whatever you have out on me. I can't think that your being serious or sad, it's just sad that your trying to be a pain in the neck.
Edited by Spartan_234 on Aug 23, 2014 at 02:07 PM

Everyone hopes the TSC:E

Seriously, what TH are you talking about?. Besides making senseless/useless posts you're also terrible at defending yourself.

Could senpai and 234 please stop arguing >_<

On a better note, what's one thing you're looking forward to in TSC:E?

He's not bullying you or taking out aggression. Every single point he made is true- everyone else is thinking the exact same thing, he was just the only one blunt enough to say it. Your constant interrogation of the CMT thread is tiresome.

not because you complain about that post, everyone is free to do what is you want

sorry if you not understand

That is why I'm taking a break from being here everytime, besides that many things happen on this thread if it's me or someone else.
I may be annoying but I'm not a threat to anyone here. And sure I post too much but it happens.
And If EtchyaSketch has an issue with me he should contact me through PM not argue and make the problem public for everyone to see, not everybody can be tolerated.
Edited by Spartan_234 on Aug 23, 2014 at 02:45 PM
Edited by Spartan_234 on Aug 23, 2014 at 02:48 PM

Could you two continue this in your PMs or something?

For what it's worth, here's my opinion on the matter.

Spartan_234, it's not that you post too much, you just post without a reason for it. Posting on a thread just for the sake of posting doesn't benefit anyone.

EtchyaSketch, you could have messsaged 234 directly about your opinion on his posting, instead of calling him out on the thread.

So basically what Spartan is saying up there ^

Now can we please get back on topic?

You obviously didn't read the forum rules and regulations. We have absolutely no rights save for the few that almighty Dennis allows us to have. Our so called "freedom" is only an illusion that our overlord Dennis instills. At any point he can revoke those privileges for one or all of us, depending on his mood. And people spamming threads constantly making useless posts, as well as the angered reactions from other users toward said spammer, can anger the almighty Dennis, and we don't want to anger our almighty overlord Dennis, lest the Banhammer come down upon our illusion of "Freedom" swiftly and firmly. So no, this forum is not a place of free will. It is a dictatorship, and its ecosystem is a fragile one. If you want freedom, go elsewhere.

RESPECT THE ECOSYSTEM. RESPECT THE DENNIS.

Great story bro

you do not you can say: that this forum is strictly

or that no one can express themselves and can't post things of the thread