Lol no. Not at all.

I'm assuming Tiel means it's leaning towards the original Halo 1 pistol.

If you want it to compare it to the pistol, it could be described as a h1 pistol with less accuracy when fired faster, and a slower ROF. We can't talk about the pistol behavior we have until the tagset is decided. Needless to say, neither of our pistols are much like H1's
Edited by Masters1337 on Oct 17, 2012 at 05:50 PM

Bungie basically took the idea of the overpowered H1 pistol and turned into a rifle with bit less power and a similar ROF.
I think the DMR is just the rifle version of the H1 pistol (the tactics are pretty much the same,except you need lead your shots a lot more with the H1 pistol)

Well,anyways,if you don't like the color,you can change it later.
Assuming that CMT allows extraction (with a password)...
Edited by Dumb AI on Oct 17, 2012 at 07:34 PM

I personally think the DMR looks awesome. Well made and nicely redesigned to give it a custom look.

Good work :)

what he said.

Exactly, and that is why it is called the Designated Marksman's Rifle.

Personally, I love it. Your slight additions amke it quite unique.

I do however, have a few recommendations. The silver does seem a bit too shiny, so making it a bit toned down will make it seem more militarised. Also, how about you look up actual weapon sounds? I like the sound, BUT it needs to be more of a boom, like a real rifle.

But, those are just aesthetics.

Remember. I just made the model. When you say "How about YOU look up actual weapon sounds..." Yeah, not my department, nor are the animations. So someone else will have to comment on it.

I like the current sounds a lot, but i do agree that an added boom or some more bass to the shot would be cool :)

I believe he may be referring to the automag.

right now we have 2 tagsets, we have one designed by Iffy where all weapons are completely independent from their H1 tag values (think of how H2 did it's weapon behaviors), and we have mine where everything is built to retain what I believe people love and want from Halo CE.

I want to see the pistols that you were talking about. :D
Can you post a pic or two?

It's the same model, different behaviors. There is only one human pistol that we will be using in our maps.

I don't want to start something here but one could draw a couple of misleading conclusions from this, so I'd like to try and clarify a bit

Several different variations on weapon stats, behavior, etc. are being presented to testers simultaneously, mostly along the lines of a varation crafted by myself in our b30 test-builds and another by Masterz in his SPv3 test-builds, with the idea that the good bits and the bad bits of each will be able to be more easily identified (and then be converged or eliminated) by comparison and contrast. In combining the theoretical high points of two seperate methodoligies while removing the disadvantages, the end product would ideally then be a deliciously marbled gameplay cake.

However, in both cases, the goal is to "retain what [whoever] believe[s] people love and want from Halo CE;" the difference is how "what makes Halo 1 Halo 1" is interpreted -- and believe me there are differences. It's easy to see why 343 left the gameplay completely untouched for Anniversary.

This is still a very ongoing and very not-finished process, though, so I don't want to get too into detail until we've got things more solidified on our end

"In combining the theoretical high points of two seperate methodoligies while removing the disadvantages, the end product would ideally then be a deliciously marbled gameplay cake."

Geez man, you don't get good gameplay by mindlessly making graphs and pie charts of weapons. Your guns are severely underpowered based off the builds of yours I played, don't be afraid to let your guns do some actual damage. Some simple common sense will get you alot further than charts.

Are all the guns underpowered?

In my opinion, on normal difficulty, in the first a50 map, yes. Aside from the assault rifle, which was about the only weapon I personally found was worth using.

One of the worst bits was the single shot zoomed BR, which was like spitting on the enemy rather than shooting :-)

No, Iffy's weaponset has faster kill times than mine, which are very close or slightly slower than H1's.

Edit: I found the A50 release's weapons to be very boring and made many of the encounters uninteresting, which is the the reason I created an alternative tagset that captures what I believe to be the essence of H1 better.
Edited by Masters1337 on Oct 19, 2012 at 12:57 AM

I felt that the BR and AR was too weak.It seems that the bullets are only doing bit more damage than the MA5B (which had a 60-round mag to compensate).

Honestly another culprit with a50 was the fact that many of us have played x amount of variations on this map over 100 times. Dare I say over 152 times. Throw in the best tagset of the world and it's still a predictable experience, albeit a shiny one.

I didn't notice the faster kill times, it fels like it took alot longer to kill enemies to me. Depriving the experience further. Iffy, it's more about a feeling than it is about charts. How do you want a gun to feel when you fire it, how much damage should a gun of this caliber do on an enemy? Not: statistical analysis shows that the perfect experience would be to have x amount of damage over y amount of time. You start off with a rough idea and finetune this extensively based on your maps and encounter composition.

I agree completely. That's why we have testers who constantly evaluate every change and every tweak to ensure that things fall into place on the subjective side, becuase what I might think is a supersweet set of weapon stats may not necessarily be what other people think.

Both sets have diverged significantly from what was in a50; I wouldn't consider that in any way an accurate representation of what the set will play or feel like in future maps. Again, I don't want to start delving into specifics because there are still a lot of major changes underway even now -- there's no point in detailing all the reasoning behind a major weapon change when that weapon may not have the same behavior or may not even be in the weapon set as soon as next week.

Sorry if you took it that way. I was commenting on the gun showed, and other stuff.

Good job, though.

I'm willing to test out weapon balance and stuff, I like to think I have a good feel for balance and good content. The more (experienced) testers, the better I say. It's up to you.

No I cant make you shut up but your complaining on something irelivent, and what masterz has said we have tested many different color variations.

BTW:
crit·i·cism
The analysis and judgment of a literary or artistic work

You made a analysis on the color which didn't suit to your artistic need, so you made a opinion on it based on that.

now now ladies

Cheers to gals.

Aye, heh.

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All shall be explained in due time. It's currently being UV'd.
Edited by Masters1337 on Oct 28, 2012 at 01:57 AM

Covy sniper rifle?

Focus Rifle, DUM DUM.

ileetes/brootes/jackal snipers just got a little more annoying.

He's a bit like Romney, which is why I call him Flip-flop Masterz now :-)
Politics aside, I personally preferred the beam rifle as it's a more fearsome weapon. However the focus rifle is a bit more "fair" I guess on Legendary.

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Currently my favorite one in Minecraft :)
Cheers.

wait if that's a focusrifle... you said my idea of a cmt focusrifle was lame and un-fun :(

explained in due time i guess.

No worries.
Just load Halo 3/Halo 2/Halo Reach/Halo 3 ODST on your XBOX and practice fighting Sniper Jackals.