All you godless sinners will burn for infinity years

^How wars are started.

Uggh.... you do realize that he isn't being serious right?

You do and I think he isn't but not everyone does which is what causes problems. Without body language or inflection to enlighten us his simple sentence can either make someone laugh at his sarcasm or become either akin to or inflamed by his presumption.

In this case its meaning is in the readers state of mind which why it is, if you are so inclined, better to ask for clarification before making assumptions as one of the posters did.

Your not a psychologist are you? *shudders*

No, just old and grizzled, been there done than and trying to enlighten.

YAY FOR DENNIS, HE AND BOBBLEHOB BE THE VOICE OF REASON!

Who wants this ingame?
I mean, if the game doesnt mind 20,000 polies xD
I mean the biped, not the everything else.
(( http://spartan-279.deviantart.com/art/Crysis-2-Poster-3DSMax-and-CS5-260981729

Evrything has the prefix Bip01 right?
:3
Will attempt/

I'd love to see it but maybe we could tone down the poly count a little? save anywhere you can, look for anywhere you can reduce the count

20,000 polies is a bit excessive for a player biped. That could probably be done in textures. What even uses so many polies on that model? It looks like it could be done BETTER in textures.

sorry to hear you're stuck in ten years ago land where everything has to be four tris and use an 32x32 texture with no normal map support

video game artists have plenty of skill. are you seriously trying to knock them as not having very much? bahahhaha go take it to conceptart.org or polycount and get back to me after your ass is bleeding and leaking after the rape they give you.

I can attempt to try to optimize it, after I do alot of other projects.
Tbh wire frame is mad ridiculous though.
Also needs re-rigging or new animations, which i might just do.

Jaz, christ man, the point of a high poly model is a high level of detail, especially in a Crisis game. Why would they have put the time into making such a highly detailed model if they could have taken the easy route and made it look just as good through texturing?


Answer: It doesn't look as good, also HIAHG has a point here, so many people here worry way too much about poly count, and instead say, Oh we can do this through texturing when you really cant in an engine that doesnt use normal maps on weapons or scenery or character models. As long as you are somewhat frugal about it, you can use fairly high poly models for bipeds, and weapons. It really sucks to get a map with lame, low poly weapons that have crappy textures that try to make up for the lack of detail.

1. Crysis does allow normal maps so my point is valid in that case.

2. That poly count's so insanely wasted on his back that there's probably barely any difference in appearance between textures vs high poly anyway.

3. Open Sauce allows normal maps.

E:
4. HIAHG didn't say anything like that anyway. He said I think video game artists have no skill and that I'm back in the age of 32x32 textures and four tris.
Edited by Jaz on Oct 4, 2011 at 05:48 PM

1. It doesn't matter whether Crysis does have normal maps or not, the point is that normal maps are not a superior substitute for higher model detail.

2. The poly count is not wasted.

3. Open sauce is not practical to be used in Halo CE yet, mostly because it is still unstable and can only be used by people who know what they are doing, i.e. about 2% of this community. And even when it is available, the higher quality it allows for is still not a substitute for high detail modeling.

4. He was saying that you are basically favoring expediency over quality.

My point isn't that models should have less detail, my point is that a player biped doesn't need to be that high poly on a game engine that's 10 years old. Halo's engine needs models to be optimized and wasting polies on particular detail is not necessary. Textures can be used as a substitute even if they are not as high quality as a high poly count. Although textures, if done exceedingly well, can be as or even higher quality than a high poly model.

T_T
Edited by doompig444 on Oct 5, 2011 at 04:22 AM

Oh s... dude, what is that ? o_0

That actually looks kinda cool. If it was a bit higher poly, and better textures, I'd like it. But, wtf is it?

Have you ever played Halo? Hint: The weapon's name begins with 'Sh'. ;)

Seriously, it looks nothing like a shotgun. I mean, why remove the high poly bits, but then add a box as a waste of space on the side? It may be a low poly, but it might also be an edited version.

STOP PRESSURIN ME!

Lol guys, do not fight for this noob shotgun xd

Aww, its okay doom, yours were meant to be that way xD The ones I am referring to where not.

And it ends with "t"

^ Epic shaders, man!

EPIC!

wtf is that map in the background? I keep seeing it.

Thanks. It looks cool.

The real name of the map is Wizz test. it was a old leaked version of il Duce Primos map. ever since the leak he has not had any will power to finish it.

The base entrance on the bottom left reminds me of the base entrance in reach map Paradise.

real map (Wizz Test)
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4334

I already established this hr3shy. #late to the party

you'd be wrong then because today's gpu's (even within the last 4 years) are easily able to render many triangles. this is not affected specifically by the engine except, in CE's case, bsps because the engine will only allow so many triangles of it to be rendered at once. i'm not advocating being wasteful with triangles when you're modeling, but the thing that breaks how believable what you're seeing most is a bad silhouette. Most developers producing modern/next gen assets are investing more triangles on curved surfaces especially because flat surfaces are flat and therefore don't break the silhouette or make it obvious how low poly the model is, but curved surfaces will only look good if you give in to throwing around some extra triangles to make it more round. the reason that this is done is because tessellation is expensive and shaders are very expensive. each additional shader added to something is an extra draw call, and iirc certain textures add extra draw calls as well (such as normal maps). basically, it is much more expensive to make a fancy shader that hides how low poly the low poly is than it is just to make the low poly more like a medium poly model. however, this applies mostly to curved surfaces. little greebles and the such that will only be viewed either perpendicular to the camera or isn't going to be seen at very oblique angles should be texture details rather than geometry. given that CE is relatively old and that not all people have gpu's from the last half-decade it's a good idea not to go as far with triangle counts as developers for unreal engine or cryengine would, but rather a happy median. there's no point in making things as low poly as the original assets. h3ish tri counts would probably be perfectly fine, maybe even a bit higher.
Edited by jigsaw_jimmy on Oct 16, 2011 at 01:05 PM