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Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Dec 1, 2011 10:25 PM Msg. 9486 of 12975 Especially that last one!

XlzQwerty1 Joined: Aug 6, 2009	Posted: Dec 1, 2011 10:43 PM Msg. 9487 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: Spartan314 All of them! I agree :)

Cheddars Joined: Oct 30, 2010 Rave to the Grave.	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 06:47 AM Msg. 9488 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: rerout343 Sort of, but I meant the model with wireframe overtop. To do this, clone your model. then add a push modifier to the clone and give it a value of 0.1 or something like that. Next setup a new material with the wireframe checkbox on. It doesn't need to have a bitmap, just assign is whatever color you want the wireframe to be.(Make sure you make it something that you will be able to see, It also might help to set the self-illumination to 100) Last just apply the new material to your clone. NOTE: You probably already know this, but delete or hide any wireframe clones you have before exporting as a JMS. No don't do that use the buttons ( f2,f3,f4) to do it automatically without creating a clone

XlzQwerty1 Joined: Aug 6, 2009	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 08:36 AM Msg. 9489 of 12975 When you render it with F2, wireframe will not be on it.

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 05:34 PM Msg. 9490 of 12975 Could we have another view? Like from the back.

UnevenElefant5 Joined: May 3, 2008 its been fun yall, i'll never forget this site :')	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 07:06 PM Msg. 9491 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: qwertyuiop15 Someone make these. NAO! I believe Sigma made one or two of those in their map. I'm blanking on the name of it but they definitely had at least one weapon based on those concepts. I'll see if I can find it. E: http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4981 Edited by UnevenElefant5 on Dec 2, 2011 at 07:06 PM

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 09:01 PM Msg. 9492 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: Private Caboose I restarted on the model. Took me about an hour, both doing chores and this, to complete to this crappy quality. It's just something quick and simple I plan to work on to completion. http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Hiralis/ConcussionRifle2.png http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Hiralis/ConcussionRifle3.png http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Hiralis/ConcussionRifle-3.png That's actually pretty good! Try making it a bit rounder.

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 11:12 PM Msg. 9493 of 12975 Just a WIP... What animation am I missing so that it goes back to the origin? http://www.xfire.com/video/50f637/

anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 11:13 PM Msg. 9494 of 12975 OMG! It's WORSE... I swear to god, stop trying to make this weapon, and re-do the tutorial as you have not done it right. You have cut in afew edges to try and add detail but they are not pulled out at all. I think I can say I know what I'm doing with 3ds max now, and if you want to get better, LISTEN TO ME AND RE-DO THE TUTORIAL. All you have done with the two models so far is basically a cardboard cutout... like stated above.

Cheddars Joined: Oct 30, 2010 Rave to the Grave.	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 11:23 PM Msg. 9495 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: Private Caboose I restarted on the model. Took me about an hour, both doing chores and this, to complete to this crappy quality. It's just something quick and simple I plan to work on to completion. http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Hiralis/ConcussionRifle2.png http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Hiralis/ConcussionRifle3.png http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Hiralis/ConcussionRifle-3.png try doing the asp first. thats a particurly easy to model gun

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Dec 2, 2011 11:30 PM Msg. 9496 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: anonymous_2009 That doesn't look too good, look at the tutorial as you have not done it right. You have cut in afew edges to try and add detail but they are not pulled out at all. I think I can say I know what I'm doing with 3ds max now, and if you want to get better, you'd better listen to me or you won't get anywhere All you have done with the two models so far is basically a cardboard cutout... like stated above. Just prettied it up...

Bobblehob Joined: Aug 29, 2010	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 12:15 AM Msg. 9497 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: Private Caboose Hunter, for the last bloody time, I know you're trying to give crit, but this is probably the best thing I've made in 3DS Max. Look, you know this is the kind of crit you are going to get, why do you keep posting the same stuff over and over again. Work on it a bunch, and when you have some real progress, then post about it.

anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 12:44 AM Msg. 9498 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: Private Caboose Hunter, for the last bloody time, I know you're trying to give crit, but this is probably the best thing I've made in 3DS Max. i don't care, do what I said.

Cheddars Joined: Oct 30, 2010 Rave to the Grave.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 01:16 AM Msg. 9499 of 12975 well i tried doing a halo 2 smg. lol i hope its not that horrible. i still have to the model and triangulate it so far a bit. but am i doing it right?

Cheddars Joined: Oct 30, 2010 Rave to the Grave.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 01:32 AM Msg. 9500 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: qwertyuiop15 Quote: --- Original message by: Cheddars well i tried doing a halo 2 smg. lol i hope its not that horrible. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/802/smgm.jpg i still have to the model and triangulate it so far a bit. but am i doing it right? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110102132735/halo/images/4/4d/SMG.JPG Looks good to me :) thats the reference i was using though i might extract the real model for a reference i just realised i have made massive errors Edited by Cheddars on Dec 3, 2011 at 01:34 AM

Invader Veex Joined: Apr 11, 2007 i make poast	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 01:49 AM Msg. 9501 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: qwertyuiop15 Cool, thanks :) Downloading now. EDIT: Found 2 of them. http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/119796864-3.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/119796861-3.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/119796838-3.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/119796845-3.jpg Still need textures though :( Edited by qwertyuiop15 on Dec 2, 2011 at 07:50 PM I made some textures for that, but I didn't finish it, and the map ended up released without my textures on that weapon.

Cheddars Joined: Oct 30, 2010 Rave to the Grave.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 07:48 AM Msg. 9502 of 12975 gave up on smg and im doing the h3 battle rifle. i gotta triangulize it though so i have no ngons but do you guys think triangles are better than quads? i have problems with the traingles. btw i was using the h3 battlerifle as a reference and my computers screwed so i cant render and just for referance of where im modeling (outdated modedl): and yes i was able to render than but not now :/ Edited by Cheddars on Dec 3, 2011 at 07:52 AM

bourrin33 Joined: Oct 19, 2009 HEK not installed tho	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 08:35 AM Msg. 9503 of 12975 No need to cap or keep triangulation perfect at the early beginning, try to work as much as you can on 2D viewports and just use perspective to check the width and depth of your model. Also use a transparent shader when modeling

anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 10:52 AM Msg. 9504 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts Quote: --- Original message by: anonymous_2009 Quote: --- Original message by: Private Caboose Hunter, for the last bloody time, I know you're trying to give crit, but this is probably the best thing I've made in 3DS Max. i don't care, do what I said. You should care. The point of crit is to tell them how to improve, but demoralizing them is counterproductive. @Private Caboose Try to make a simpler model. Covenant styles are generally harder since they're full of smoothed curves instead of easy-to-make hard edges that humans use. Start off with something like a human pistol. Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM Who asked you, and what I said WILL help him improve. @Chedders: Don't use an actual model as a reference, use an image. You will learn more using images, you don't always have a model available. Plus using a model is pointless as you dont practice on how to make the shapes as the way it's built is already infront of you. And 4sides polygons are okay. Edited by anonymous_2009 on Dec 3, 2011 at 10:54 AM

anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 11:04 AM Msg. 9505 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts The crit will help him improve, yes, but not your demoralizing. it's called not lieing to him. why would I say it looks okay or anything, doesn't help him. im not going to put a cherry on the top, it's crit, man up.

TM_updates Joined: Aug 31, 2011 Superior to you, Superior Musclez near Brussels	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 11:07 AM Msg. 9506 of 12975 Haha oh Hunter, when will you learn. Paul was a friendly film, why can't you just apply the morals and values of that movie in real life?

Amazingcuziam Joined: Apr 16, 2010 Sup.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 11:47 AM Msg. 9507 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts Quote: --- Original message by: anonymous_2009 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts The crit will help him improve, yes, but not your demoralizing. it's called not lieing to him. why would I say it looks okay or anything, doesn't help him. im not going to put a cherry on the top, it's crit, man up. You don't need to lie to him about what your opinion is. But we don't actually need to hear your opinion, much less if it's counterproductive, which yours is. . The modeler just needs to receive a procedure on how to improve. That's all we need, a procedure. Procedure for improvement(aka crit) =/= Opinion on Quality Those are two different things. he said to rewatch the tutorial, that is a helpful suggestion, which is productive. Hunter started getting "counterproductive" when caboose didn't listen repeatedly. The idea people have of what criticism actually is around here is far from accurate. Your idea of criticism =\= criticism. You don't have to tell them it's pretty and sugar cost the whole thing, plain and simple, hunters crit is accurate and legitimate. Look up the definition if you don't believe me. I'm not saying this in hunters defense, rather it's for the benefit of everyone here, so that you all may understand this.

anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 12:43 PM Msg. 9508 of 12975 When will you nimrods learn. (excluding amazingcuziam - the guy who listened to me and improved..) I gave him crit, and I gave him my opinion which im entitled to and if you dont like it then go play with some barbie dolls. If some kid who knows nothing about modelling and the game design world comes out and says "OMG THAT IS AWESOME!", then what do you get? Well, a LIE and then think that you dont need to try too hard to make GOOD models. Now if someone who KNOWS WHATTHEY ARE TALKING ABOUT says it sucks, that is the truth, not because im being an ass and trying to make you cry, but because im saying FACTS. (They are facts as I can justify that the way it is built, and topology ect is bad - so all in all it sucks). Now they will see, "oh, it's not good, I best try harder and learn more redoing the suggested tutorial". Silly try hard.

TM_updates Joined: Aug 31, 2011 Superior to you, Superior Musclez near Brussels	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 12:48 PM Msg. 9509 of 12975 Grow up man, seriously.

CLS_GRUNT Joined: Jan 21, 2007 Old	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 01:05 PM Msg. 9510 of 12975 I'm not sure hes more than 14 years old.

bourrin33 Joined: Oct 19, 2009 HEK not installed tho	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 01:16 PM Msg. 9511 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: CLS_GRUNT I'm not sure hes more than 14 years old. Read to fast, said bs xD @hilarous : Rewatch the tutorial and look at how he is giving depth to parts. Also just start from a small part of the gun and keep progressing to the rest Edited by bourrin33 on Dec 4, 2011 at 02:47 AM

anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 01:27 PM Msg. 9512 of 12975 LOL! umad?

TM_updates Joined: Aug 31, 2011 Superior to you, Superior Musclez near Brussels	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 02:02 PM Msg. 9513 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: anonymous_2009 LOL! :L umad? :L Fixed your trash...I mean post for you.

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 02:15 PM Msg. 9514 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts Quote: --- Original message by: Amazingcuziam he said to rewatch the tutorial, that is a helpful suggestion, which is productive. Hunter started getting "counterproductive" when caboose didn't listen repeatedly. Actually, if you've been paying attention to how he posts, its in fact a rarity that Hunter waits to throw counterproductive comments about the model. This time, Caboose got lucky. Quote: --- Original message by: Amazingcuziam The idea people have of what criticism actually is around here is far from accurate. Your idea of criticism =\= criticism. You don't have to tell them it's pretty and sugar cost the whole thing, plain and simple, hunters crit is accurate and legitimate. Look up the definition if you don't believe me. I'm not saying this in hunters defense, rather it's for the benefit of everyone here, so that you all may understand this. You should rethink what you just said. Because now, you're saying "it sucks" is equal in crit to "here watch this tutorial. fix these errors because blah blah.." . For you "it sucks" may be good enough to qualify as crit, but I don't share this view with you. Edit: mm..I'm having a very hard time grasping where your logic stands. Let me bring up what I said earlier Procedure for improvement(aka crit) =/= Opinion on Quality You're saying both sides of this statement are examples of crit, while I said only the left side is crit. If this was not what you meant by saying "criticism =/= criticism, then help me understand. But as of right now, I think what you're saying is "Your model is horrible" qualifies as crit, where as in my opinion, it is rather useless to say regardless of whether it technically fits the real definition of "crit". The procedure is all that is needed. wow that quoting didnt work out too well LOL. fixed Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 12:14 PM You could try to beat this into his skull, but he is never going to understand what he is doing wrong, which is a real shame. Fantastic post needed quoting, imo.

Amazingcuziam Joined: Apr 16, 2010 Sup.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 03:50 PM Msg. 9515 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts Quote: --- Original message by: Amazingcuziam he said to rewatch the tutorial, that is a helpful suggestion, which is productive. Hunter started getting "counterproductive" when caboose didn't listen repeatedly. Actually, if you've been paying attention to how he posts, its in fact a rarity that Hunter waits to throw counterproductive comments about the model. This time, Caboose got lucky. Quote: --- Original message by: Amazingcuziam The idea people have of what criticism actually is around here is far from accurate. Your idea of criticism =\= criticism. You don't have to tell them it's pretty and sugar cost the whole thing, plain and simple, hunters crit is accurate and legitimate. Look up the definition if you don't believe me. I'm not saying this in hunters defense, rather it's for the benefit of everyone here, so that you all may understand this. You should rethink what you just said. Because now, you're saying "it sucks" is equal in crit to "here watch this tutorial. fix these errors because blah blah.." . For you "it sucks" may be good enough to qualify as crit, but I don't share this view with you. Edit: mm..I'm having a very hard time grasping where your logic stands. Let me bring up what I said earlier Procedure for improvement(aka crit) =/= Opinion on Quality You're saying both sides of this statement are examples of crit, while I said only the left side is crit. If this was not what you meant by saying "criticism =/= criticism, then help me understand. But as of right now, I think what you're saying is "Your model is horrible" qualifies as crit, where as in my opinion, it is rather useless to say regardless of whether it technically fits the real definition of "crit". The procedure is all that is needed. wow that quoting didnt work out too well LOL. fixed Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 12:14 PM Now now, don't get carried away. I said that saying "It suck" IS valid criticism, I never, not once said it was EQUAL ( "=", same as, equivalent) to saying "watch this, fix this blah blah." You clearly didn't understand what I had said when I said "Your idea of criticism =\= criticism", I wasn't saying that criticism is not equal to criticism, I was saying that,(example,start.) just because you THINK you know everything, doesn't mean you do (example,end.). I hope I have cleared this up, if you need further clarification/wish to continue, feel free to PM me, this is not the place for this discussion, though.

Amazingcuziam Joined: Apr 16, 2010 Sup.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 04:35 PM Msg. 9516 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts Sorry but don't put words in my mouth. I never once said I knew everything. It seems as though I could say the same for you because you assumed you knew what I was thinking of myself without me openly expressing it. >.> Don't do that. And thank you for concluding what I was saying earlier. Procedure for improvement > Opinion on Quality Quote: I said that saying "It suck" IS valid criticism, I never, not once said it was EQUAL ( "=", same as, equivalent) to saying "watch this, fix this blah blah." It isn't equal in value, according to you. The procedure is all that is needed, for reasons I already said. Like you said, if you need CLARIFICATION, PM me. Please don't try to continue this ._. your arguments really are flawed, since you decided to overlook my main points on how your opinion of quality is CLEARLY NOT needed when you posted. Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 04:12 PM Your argument is flawed, but I needn't go into that. I am simply posting for clarification, now, not to continue this argument. #1: I stated that it was an example, you took it as a thought/point. #2: I was posting, based upon the original post, which I had read, I only skim read the second post, and it seemed mostly similar. I could restate my post based upon this, but you would obviously blow it out of proportion, like everything else. To sum up this ENTIRE discussion, and half of this thread: Crit isn't always flowers and butterflies, get over it.

032 Mendicant Bias Joined: Feb 25, 2010 Magnum periculum est elit.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 04:45 PM Msg. 9517 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: Amazingcuziam Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts Sorry but don't put words in my mouth. I never once said I knew everything. It seems as though I could say the same for you because you assumed you knew what I was thinking of myself without me openly expressing it. >.> Don't do that. And thank you for concluding what I was saying earlier. Procedure for improvement > Opinion on Quality Quote: I said that saying "It suck" IS valid criticism, I never, not once said it was EQUAL ( "=", same as, equivalent) to saying "watch this, fix this blah blah." It isn't equal in value, according to you. The procedure is all that is needed, for reasons I already said. Like you said, if you need CLARIFICATION, PM me. Please don't try to continue this ._. your arguments really are flawed, since you decided to overlook my main points on how your opinion of quality is CLEARLY NOT needed when you posted. Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 04:12 PM Your argument is flawed, but I needn't go into that. I am simply posting for clarification, now, not to continue this argument. #1: I stated that it was an example, you took it as a thought/point. #2: I was posting, based upon the original post, which I had read, I only skim read the second post, and it seemed mostly similar. I could restate my post based upon this, but you would obviously blow it out of proportion, like everything else. To sum up this ENTIRE discussion, and half of this thread: Crit isn't always flowers and butterflies, get over it. Sorry but I just HAD to step in, this kinda got out of hand. Sure crit isn't always "flowers and butterflies" but it doesn't mean crit will sound as if you're delibrately trying to eat up the god damn person.

Amazingcuziam Joined: Apr 16, 2010 Sup.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 04:48 PM Msg. 9518 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: 032 Mendicant Bias Quote: --- Original message by: Amazingcuziam Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts Sorry but don't put words in my mouth. I never once said I knew everything. It seems as though I could say the same for you because you assumed you knew what I was thinking of myself without me openly expressing it. >.> Don't do that. And thank you for concluding what I was saying earlier. Procedure for improvement > Opinion on Quality Quote: I said that saying "It suck" IS valid criticism, I never, not once said it was EQUAL ( "=", same as, equivalent) to saying "watch this, fix this blah blah." It isn't equal in value, according to you. The procedure is all that is needed, for reasons I already said. Like you said, if you need CLARIFICATION, PM me. Please don't try to continue this ._. your arguments really are flawed, since you decided to overlook my main points on how your opinion of quality is CLEARLY NOT needed when you posted. Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 04:12 PM Your argument is flawed, but I needn't go into that. I am simply posting for clarification, now, not to continue this argument. #1: I stated that it was an example, you took it as a thought/point. #2: I was posting, based upon the original post, which I had read, I only skim read the second post, and it seemed mostly similar. I could restate my post based upon this, but you would obviously blow it out of proportion, like everything else. To sum up this ENTIRE discussion, and half of this thread: Crit isn't always flowers and butterflies, get over it. Sorry but I just HAD to step in, this kinda got out of hand. Sure crit isn't always "flowers and butterflies" but it doesn't mean crit will sound as if you're delibrately trying to eat up the god damn person. I don't believe I ever said it does? I said it can, not that is has to. But meh, I don't remember half of what I said in this discussion, so whatever.

Amazingcuziam Joined: Apr 16, 2010 Sup.	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 05:56 PM Msg. 9519 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts You have the comprehension skills of a 5th grader, Amazingcuziam. It really isn't worth trying to have a discussion with people who choose to ignore essential posts/points or just can't grasp logical reasoning as simple as the above posts. This forum never ceases to amaze me with the shear stupidity of its members. How do you deal with this Dennis? Last ditch effort to make all of you understand: When you tell someone their work is bad, the point is, or the FUNCTION of telling someone this, is to inform them that they need to improve. That is THE only function for telling someone their work is bad. You tell them its bad, so that they know it needs work. Sadly, Hunter's opinions have a secondary, indirect function. They not only inform the person of the bad quality, but they demoralize the person due to the rudeness in his tone. So, Hunter's opinions have 2 functions: informing of room for improvement, and demoralizing. BUT, by telling the person HOW to improve, they can already assume that there is room for improvement. When you tell someone how to improve, aka the procedure, then they receive 2 things: the knowledge that they need to improve, and HOW to improve as well. Those are the 2 functions of giving someone the procedure. But if you compare that to the 2 functions of Hunter's opinions, you see there is an overlapping on one of their functions. They BOTH tell the person that they need to improve. This means that telling someone a procedure already does half the work of telling them your opinion on the work's quality. SOOO..telling someone your opinion on their quality only has ONE function that is unique, which is demoralizing them. When you give crit, giving your opinion ONLY enhances your crit by THAT single function, because it is the only thing your crit didn't have BEFORE you included your opinion. So by giving your opinion, you are doing 1 extra thing: demoralizing. And that's counterproductive. PERIOD. Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 05:36 PM umad, bro? And what is with that whole arrow to the knee thing? I keep seeing it everywhere. Edited by Amazingcuziam on Dec 3, 2011 at 05:56 PM

Bobblehob Joined: Aug 29, 2010	Posted: Dec 3, 2011 06:18 PM Msg. 9520 of 12975 Quote: --- Original message by: lolgrunts You just showed you have not an ounce of respectable character. Not my problem though, go be a dumbass C= Edited by lolgrunts on Dec 3, 2011 at 06:03 PM Man, you are a pompous hypocrite aren't you...