
MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016
When life throws rocks, get a nuke.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2016 06:41 PM
Msg. 1 of 26
Hello, I have a question. I have been using an Xbox 360 controller for the PC for some time now, on games other than Halo 1. My controller is cheap for sure, and the controller doesn't work well on Halo 1. The response time is decreased, so decreased that it is very noticeable. I don't know if it's the controller or Halo doing that. Does Halo 1 have as good response time with a controller, as it does with KBM? Or is it just Halo 1 isn't meant for a controller? I am thinking about getting a very high-quality native Xbox One controller, and getting the Microsoft wireless adapter with it too. Will this result in better response time? Or will KBM always have a shorter response time?
Thanks!
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cippozzo
Joined: May 7, 2013
"I... I am a monument to all your sins."
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Posted: Jul 17, 2016 07:58 PM
Msg. 2 of 26
Halo for PC has several lacks in controller support: No deadzone(I hate that), no vibration, start, back. Newer games uses xinput(Halo 2 Vista too), the same libraries Xbox 360 and one uses for controller's input, Halo PC uses a damn old DirectInput 8 library. By the way I would recommend a driver updates, reinstall or simply try changing USB port. Never got a problem out of that insane deadzone.
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MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016
When life throws rocks, get a nuke.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2016 08:02 PM
Msg. 3 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: cippozzo Halo for PC has several lacks in controller support: No deadzone(I hate that), no vibration, start, back. Newer games uses xinput(Halo 2 Vista too), the same libraries Xbox 360 and one uses for controller's input, Halo PC uses a damn old DirectInput 8 library. By the way I would recommend a driver updates, reinstall or simply try changing USB port. Never got a problem out of that insane deadzone. But have you ever gotten slower responses than KBM out of a controller?
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KVOND
Joined: Sep 20, 2014
A.K.A -The Rock Candy-
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 01:14 AM
Msg. 4 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: MonkeyBuggy Hello, I have a question. I have been using an Xbox 360 controller for the PC for some time now, on games other than Halo 1. My controller is cheap for sure, and the controller doesn't work well on Halo 1. The response time is decreased, so decreased that it is very noticeable. I don't know if it's the controller or Halo doing that. Does Halo 1 have as good response time with a controller, as it does with KBM? Or is it just Halo 1 isn't meant for a controller? I am thinking about getting a very high-quality native Xbox One controller, and getting the Microsoft wireless adapter with it too. Will this result in better response time? Or will KBM always have a shorter response time?
Thanks! A 360 controller isn't that cheap unless you compare it with a 3rd party one, like the PDP manufactured controllers (they are good but wear out pretty quickly) If you are experiencing issues with your controller like input lag, make sure you're using "DisableBuffering" in your config.txt in your installation folder. Input lag is more noticeable if you are using a controller, by using this, you remove that lag and the controller responds faster with no delay. you can fix (sort of) the lack of full controller support with Xpadder, to fix deadzones (only applies to the left thumbstick, right thumbstick (aiming) has no fix, unless you sacrifice aim assist, which is a nonsense.) you'll need to delete your in game gamepad movement (move forward, back, left, right), leave them blank, and then use xpadder to map WASD to the left analog stick and set a deadzone you'd like, (you'll sacrifice walking speeds but it is going to feel a lot more natural), map the ESC key to the start button, that way you can pause the game with the controller, if you're gonna buy an xbone controller, the thumbsticks are very loose, it feels weird if you're used to the 360's. Also, why wireless? xbox one controller can run in pc without a receiver, just plug it by micro usb and you're good to go, no more buying batteries. (unless you really like wireless + discharges and battery weight). mind my grammar, but I hope you understand :P Edited by KVOND on Jul 18, 2016 at 01:18 AM
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Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009
Discord: Holy Crust#4500
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 01:20 AM
Msg. 5 of 26
Don't forget that the left stick is very sensitive and Halo doesn't really let you move naturally. You're limited to 8 directions and sometimes when intending to move straight forward, the game will detect it as diagonal.
My XB1 controller works great with Halo PC, but in my experience the best controller was that of the original Xbox. The 3rd party drivers (XBCD) were beautiful in that they let you customize all sorts of variables, especially deadzoning which was extremely useful. You could also map keys to anything. This, coupled with Xpadder allowed me to become almost limitless with my options.
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MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016
When life throws rocks, get a nuke.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:46 AM
Msg. 6 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse Don't forget that the left stick is very sensitive and Halo doesn't really let you move naturally. You're limited to 8 directions and sometimes when intending to move straight forward, the game will detect it as diagonal.
My XB1 controller works great with Halo PC, but in my experience the best controller was that of the original Xbox. The 3rd party drivers (XBCD) were beautiful in that they let you customize all sorts of variables, especially deadzoning which was extremely useful. You could also map keys to anything. This, coupled with Xpadder allowed me to become almost limitless with my options. Thanks! I'll be sure to look into that.
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Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009
Discord: Holy Crust#4500
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:56 AM
Msg. 7 of 26
Previous posts that may be relevant. Quote: --- Original message by: JesseQuote: --- Original message by: cippozzo
Hello everyone, I'm ofter not home when playing Halo and I really prefer the Xbox Controller istead of mouse and keyboard. But the DeadZone is really low, I've red about 10% and it's horrible. Know any solution? I used the xbox 360 controller and the deadzoning was always an issue. That said, my solutions to problems (that were persistent) was to use Xpadder for the WASD emulation and enable reticle_magnetism 1 command. The right analog stick would always be a bit sensitive, but it worked well enough. Before I used the 360 controller, I would use an original Xbox controller because the drivers (made by some guy\team) were really good and allowed for control of deadzoning on buttons, triggers, and sticks. http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Controller-S-Blue/dp/B0000C6EDL/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1455407655&sr=8-3&keywords=xbox+controller+s+type http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Controller-PC-USB-Adapter-Cable/dp/B000RT2868/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455407723&sr=8-2&keywords=xbox+controller+to+USB (I used to make my own Xbox-to-USB cables, but you can buy them now) Quote: --- Original message by: JesseQuote: --- Original message by: cippozzo tried xpadder, it sucks lmao I think it depends which version you use. My cutoff is when you started having to pay for the program... And also, I only used it for the ESC and WASD key emulation. Quote: --- Original message by: JesseQuote: --- Original message by: stunt_man
AFAIK there's nothing that can be done about the right stick's deadzone.
Also it's player_magnetism 1, not reticle_magnetism 1 Unless you use a controller with drivers that allow for the changes. The only ones I know of are the XBCD and DS4 drivers (original xbox controller and PS4 controller)
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StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011
https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:58 AM
Msg. 8 of 26
Use one and beat your friends to make them feel bad. (From personal experience)
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MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016
When life throws rocks, get a nuke.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:59 AM
Msg. 9 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird Use one and beat your friends to make them feel bad. (From personal experience) Man U rite!
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Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012
The length of your life depends on my aim.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 07:02 AM
Msg. 10 of 26
Would be interested to see a scientific analysis of the pros and cons against both hardware.
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stunt_man
Joined: Sep 22, 2009
GMYF - Now hosting proper MLG gametypes!
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 07:46 AM
Msg. 11 of 26
Yeah basically you want to use Xpadder for left-stick (assign to WASD and edit deadzone), and XBCD for the right stick deadzone only. At least that's what I do with my original Xbox S controller. Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker Would be interested to see a scientific analysis of the pros and cons against both hardware. When you put a mouse/keyboard player against a controller player, the mouse/keyboard player always has the advantage. Even with player_magnetism, the precision and speed that is achieved only with a mouse makes for manoeuvres that simply aren't possible with a controller. Rockets and sniper are extremely dangerous, and the speed at which you can turn around means that players aren't always punished as hard for making bad plays. Edited by stunt_man on Jul 18, 2016 at 07:51 AM
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Masters1337
Joined: Mar 5, 2006
halonaminator's unfortunate idol
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 08:56 PM
Msg. 12 of 26
The controller is handled by the game differently in MP and SP. In SP I suggest using it, but not for MP.
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MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 10:48 PM
Msg. 13 of 26
I've been using controller in MP since 2013, without any outside programs, Idk why i have never had an issue with using it, I guess you just get used to it over time.
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Halonimator
Joined: Dec 15, 2014
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Posted: Jul 18, 2016 11:26 PM
Msg. 14 of 26
I prefer to use the x360 controller Edited by Halonimator on Jul 18, 2016 at 11:27 PM
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Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012
The length of your life depends on my aim.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 04:09 AM
Msg. 15 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: stunt_manYeah basically you want to use Xpadder for left-stick (assign to WASD and edit deadzone), and XBCD for the right stick deadzone only. At least that's what I do with my original Xbox S controller. Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker Would be interested to see a scientific analysis of the pros and cons against both hardware. When you put a mouse/keyboard player against a controller player, the mouse/keyboard player always has the advantage. Even with player_magnetism, the precision and speed that is achieved only with a mouse makes for manoeuvres that simply aren't possible with a controller. Rockets and sniper are extremely dangerous, and the speed at which you can turn around means that players aren't always punished as hard for making bad plays. Edited by stunt_man on Jul 18, 2016 at 07:51 AM I also sorta want a scientific study of the toll and effect both have on the operator. I.E: How much energy is exerted. Total strain. Positive and negative side effects of lengthy play through's. Psychological impacts. e.t.c
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stunt_man
Joined: Sep 22, 2009
GMYF - Now hosting proper MLG gametypes!
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 08:41 AM
Msg. 16 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker I also sorta want a scientific study of the toll and effect that reading my posts both have on the reader.
I.E:
How much energy is exerted.
Total strain.
Positive and negative side effects of lengthy read-through's.
Psychological impacts.
e.t.c Fixed that for you fam
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Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012
The length of your life depends on my aim.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 09:28 AM
Msg. 17 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: stunt_manQuote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker I also sorta want a scientific study of the toll and effect that reading my posts both have on the reader.
I.E:
How much energy is exerted.
Total strain.
Positive and negative side effects of lengthy read-through's.
Psychological impacts.
e.t.c Fixed that for you fam Ahhhhh GG!
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StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011
https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 12:00 PM
Msg. 18 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: HyperAlex Inb4 console peasant yer suck you should not be playing Fps games Kb + mouse FTW PC master race !!!!! Controllers are an insurance to when this happens: 
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Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012
The length of your life depends on my aim.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 12:09 PM
Msg. 19 of 26
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StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011
https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 12:43 PM
Msg. 20 of 26
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lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 02:37 PM
Msg. 21 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbirdIt was worth it though. I found my old 2014 Brazil postcard I tried to sell. Is that actually you?
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Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012
The length of your life depends on my aim.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 02:42 PM
Msg. 22 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: lolslayerQuote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbirdIt was worth it though. I found my old 2014 Brazil postcard I tried to sell. Is that actually you? Yes it is. I know what you are thinking why don't I wax? Well waxing is: A) expensive. B) painful. C) weird. I might get this though for christmas.
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Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012
The length of your life depends on my aim.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 03:04 PM
Msg. 23 of 26
I literally started getting jitters when he adjusted the waist band of his boxers.
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StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011
https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 05:15 PM
Msg. 24 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: The Master Your skin is soft like a baby's butt. That or you're morbidly obese, anyway what happened to your finger? Norwegian Formula is a top notch cream. You've heard of on-the-table machines that crush steel components? Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh...... :'v Quote: --- Original message by: lolslayer Is that actually you? What stays in Brazil, stays and sambas.
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OrangeJuice
Joined: Jan 29, 2009
Documentation and debug.txt
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Posted: Jul 19, 2016 05:26 PM
Msg. 25 of 26
Is nice to be proficient with a controller for a night out .
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MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016
When life throws rocks, get a nuke.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2016 06:10 PM
Msg. 26 of 26
Quote: --- Original message by: The MasterQuote: --- Original message by: Super FlankerQuote: --- Original message by: lolslayerQuote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbirdIt was worth it though. I found my old 2014 Brazil postcard I tried to sell. Is that actually you? Yes it is. I know what you are thinking why don't I wax? Well waxing is: A) expensive. B) painful. C) weird. I might get this though for christmas. Real men don't shave  Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbirdQuote: --- Original message by: The Master Your skin is soft like a baby's butt. That or you're morbidly obese, anyway what happened to your finger? Norwegian Formula is a top notch cream. You've heard of on-the-table machines that crush steel components? Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh...... :'v Nah. Good old Irish formula is the best. Cured my sandal burn from the beach in a jiffy. Edited by MonkeyBuggy on Jul 20, 2016 at 06:14 PM
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