A Community discussion forum for Halo Custom Edition, Halo 2 Vista, Portal and Halo Machinima

Home  Search Register  Login Member ListRecent Posts
  
 
»Forums Index »Halo Custom Edition (Bungie/Gearbox) »Halo CE General Discussion »Xbox Controller - To use or not to use?

Author Topic: Xbox Controller - To use or not to use? (26 messages, Page 1 of 1)
Moderators: Dennis

MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016

When life throws rocks, get a nuke.


Posted: Jul 17, 2016 06:41 PM    Msg. 1 of 26       
Hello, I have a question. I have been using an Xbox 360 controller for the PC for some time now, on games other than Halo 1. My controller is cheap for sure, and the controller doesn't work well on Halo 1. The response time is decreased, so decreased that it is very noticeable. I don't know if it's the controller or Halo doing that. Does Halo 1 have as good response time with a controller, as it does with KBM? Or is it just Halo 1 isn't meant for a controller? I am thinking about getting a very high-quality native Xbox One controller, and getting the Microsoft wireless adapter with it too. Will this result in better response time? Or will KBM always have a shorter response time?

Thanks!


cippozzo
Joined: May 7, 2013

"I... I am a monument to all your sins."


Posted: Jul 17, 2016 07:58 PM    Msg. 2 of 26       
Halo for PC has several lacks in controller support: No deadzone(I hate that), no vibration, start, back.
Newer games uses xinput(Halo 2 Vista too), the same libraries Xbox 360 and one uses for controller's input, Halo PC uses a damn old DirectInput 8 library.
By the way I would recommend a driver updates, reinstall or simply try changing USB port.
Never got a problem out of that insane deadzone.


MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016

When life throws rocks, get a nuke.


Posted: Jul 17, 2016 08:02 PM    Msg. 3 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: cippozzo
Halo for PC has several lacks in controller support: No deadzone(I hate that), no vibration, start, back.
Newer games uses xinput(Halo 2 Vista too), the same libraries Xbox 360 and one uses for controller's input, Halo PC uses a damn old DirectInput 8 library.
By the way I would recommend a driver updates, reinstall or simply try changing USB port.
Never got a problem out of that insane deadzone.


But have you ever gotten slower responses than KBM out of a controller?


KVOND
Joined: Sep 20, 2014

A.K.A -The Rock Candy-


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 01:14 AM    Msg. 4 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: MonkeyBuggy
Hello, I have a question. I have been using an Xbox 360 controller for the PC for some time now, on games other than Halo 1. My controller is cheap for sure, and the controller doesn't work well on Halo 1. The response time is decreased, so decreased that it is very noticeable. I don't know if it's the controller or Halo doing that. Does Halo 1 have as good response time with a controller, as it does with KBM? Or is it just Halo 1 isn't meant for a controller? I am thinking about getting a very high-quality native Xbox One controller, and getting the Microsoft wireless adapter with it too. Will this result in better response time? Or will KBM always have a shorter response time?

Thanks!


A 360 controller isn't that cheap unless you compare it with a 3rd party one, like the PDP manufactured controllers (they are good but wear out pretty quickly)


If you are experiencing issues with your controller like input lag, make sure you're using "DisableBuffering" in your config.txt in your installation folder. Input lag is more noticeable if you are using a controller, by using this, you remove that lag and the controller responds faster with no delay.

you can fix (sort of) the lack of full controller support with Xpadder, to fix deadzones (only applies to the left thumbstick, right thumbstick (aiming) has no fix, unless you sacrifice aim assist, which is a nonsense.) you'll need to delete your in game gamepad movement (move forward, back, left, right), leave them blank, and then use xpadder to map WASD to the left analog stick and set a deadzone you'd like, (you'll sacrifice walking speeds but it is going to feel a lot more natural), map the ESC key to the start button, that way you can pause the game with the controller,

if you're gonna buy an xbone controller, the thumbsticks are very loose, it feels weird if you're used to the 360's.
Also, why wireless? xbox one controller can run in pc without a receiver, just plug it by micro usb and you're good to go, no more buying batteries. (unless you really like wireless + discharges and battery weight).


mind my grammar, but I hope you understand :P
Edited by KVOND on Jul 18, 2016 at 01:18 AM


Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009

Discord: Holy Crust#4500


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 01:20 AM    Msg. 5 of 26       
Don't forget that the left stick is very sensitive and Halo doesn't really let you move naturally. You're limited to 8 directions and sometimes when intending to move straight forward, the game will detect it as diagonal.

My XB1 controller works great with Halo PC, but in my experience the best controller was that of the original Xbox. The 3rd party drivers (XBCD) were beautiful in that they let you customize all sorts of variables, especially deadzoning which was extremely useful. You could also map keys to anything. This, coupled with Xpadder allowed me to become almost limitless with my options.


MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016

When life throws rocks, get a nuke.


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:46 AM    Msg. 6 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
Don't forget that the left stick is very sensitive and Halo doesn't really let you move naturally. You're limited to 8 directions and sometimes when intending to move straight forward, the game will detect it as diagonal.

My XB1 controller works great with Halo PC, but in my experience the best controller was that of the original Xbox. The 3rd party drivers (XBCD) were beautiful in that they let you customize all sorts of variables, especially deadzoning which was extremely useful. You could also map keys to anything. This, coupled with Xpadder allowed me to become almost limitless with my options.


Thanks! I'll be sure to look into that.


Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009

Discord: Holy Crust#4500


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:56 AM    Msg. 7 of 26       
Previous posts that may be relevant.

Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
Quote: --- Original message by: cippozzo

Hello everyone, I'm ofter not home when playing Halo and I really prefer the Xbox Controller istead of mouse and keyboard.
But the DeadZone is really low, I've red about 10% and it's horrible.
Know any solution?


I used the xbox 360 controller and the deadzoning was always an issue. That said, my solutions to problems (that were persistent) was to use Xpadder for the WASD emulation and enable reticle_magnetism 1 command.

The right analog stick would always be a bit sensitive, but it worked well enough.

Before I used the 360 controller, I would use an original Xbox controller because the drivers (made by some guy\team) were really good and allowed for control of deadzoning on buttons, triggers, and sticks.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Controller-S-Blue/dp/B0000C6EDL/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1455407655&sr=8-3&keywords=xbox+controller+s+type

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Controller-PC-USB-Adapter-Cable/dp/B000RT2868/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455407723&sr=8-2&keywords=xbox+controller+to+USB

(I used to make my own Xbox-to-USB cables, but you can buy them now)


Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
Quote: --- Original message by: cippozzo
tried xpadder, it sucks lmao


I think it depends which version you use. My cutoff is when you started having to pay for the program...

And also, I only used it for the ESC and WASD key emulation.



Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
Quote: --- Original message by: stunt_man

AFAIK there's nothing that can be done about the right stick's deadzone.

Also it's player_magnetism 1, not reticle_magnetism 1


Unless you use a controller with drivers that allow for the changes. The only ones I know of are the XBCD and DS4 drivers (original xbox controller and PS4 controller)



Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse

Quote: --- Original message by: stunt_man
Have you tested the original Xbox controller? How do you get it connected via USB? Did you make your own connector?

This is of great interest to me, I have a bunch of Xbox guys in my Discord group that would love to be able to play with the controller they're used to, and correct the deadzones for both sticks :)



http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000RT2868/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?qid=1455916496&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=xbox+to+usb

I originally made mine by cutting the original controller's cable extension thingy (the removable one) and wiring it to the end half of a USB cable (that supports data transfer, not just power).

Basically just splice the red to red, green to green, black to
Black, and white to white. The xbox adapter has a yellow cable that is unnecessary in this case.

Here are the parts if you want to build your own (I'd be willing to provide better instructions via PM if necessary)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0064QNH68/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1455916776&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=original+xbox+controller+adapter

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NH136GE/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1455916938&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=usb+extension+cable

Any USB extension cable that transfers data will do fine, I just linked one for a visual reference.


Don't forget the drivers: http://www.redcl0ud.com/xbcd.html

Turns out (after some quick reading) that this driver may support the 360 controller

http://vba-m.com/forum/thread-668.html

I haven't tried the XBCD driver on Windows 10, so good luck if that's the case. Do a little research and you may find out a lot.
Edited by Jesse on Feb 19, 2016 at 04:24 PM


StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011

https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:58 AM    Msg. 8 of 26       
Use one and beat your friends to make them feel bad. (From personal experience)


MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016

When life throws rocks, get a nuke.


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 06:59 AM    Msg. 9 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Use one and beat your friends to make them feel bad. (From personal experience)


Man U rite!


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 07:02 AM    Msg. 10 of 26       
Would be interested to see a scientific analysis of the pros and cons against both hardware.


stunt_man
Joined: Sep 22, 2009

GMYF - Now hosting proper MLG gametypes!


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 07:46 AM    Msg. 11 of 26       
Yeah basically you want to use Xpadder for left-stick (assign to WASD and edit deadzone), and XBCD for the right stick deadzone only. At least that's what I do with my original Xbox S controller.

Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
Would be interested to see a scientific analysis of the pros and cons against both hardware.


When you put a mouse/keyboard player against a controller player, the mouse/keyboard player always has the advantage. Even with player_magnetism, the precision and speed that is achieved only with a mouse makes for manoeuvres that simply aren't possible with a controller. Rockets and sniper are extremely dangerous, and the speed at which you can turn around means that players aren't always punished as hard for making bad plays.
Edited by stunt_man on Jul 18, 2016 at 07:51 AM


Masters1337
Joined: Mar 5, 2006

halonaminator's unfortunate idol


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 08:56 PM    Msg. 12 of 26       
The controller is handled by the game differently in MP and SP. In SP I suggest using it, but not for MP.


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 10:48 PM    Msg. 13 of 26       
I've been using controller in MP since 2013, without any outside programs, Idk why i have never had an issue with using it, I guess you just get used to it over time.


Halonimator
Joined: Dec 15, 2014


Posted: Jul 18, 2016 11:26 PM    Msg. 14 of 26       
I prefer to use the x360 controller
Edited by Halonimator on Jul 18, 2016 at 11:27 PM


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 04:09 AM    Msg. 15 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: stunt_man

Yeah basically you want to use Xpadder for left-stick (assign to WASD and edit deadzone), and XBCD for the right stick deadzone only. At least that's what I do with my original Xbox S controller.

Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
Would be interested to see a scientific analysis of the pros and cons against both hardware.


When you put a mouse/keyboard player against a controller player, the mouse/keyboard player always has the advantage. Even with player_magnetism, the precision and speed that is achieved only with a mouse makes for manoeuvres that simply aren't possible with a controller. Rockets and sniper are extremely dangerous, and the speed at which you can turn around means that players aren't always punished as hard for making bad plays.
Edited by stunt_man on Jul 18, 2016 at 07:51 AM


I also sorta want a scientific study of the toll and effect both have on the operator.

I.E:

How much energy is exerted.

Total strain.

Positive and negative side effects of lengthy play through's.

Psychological impacts.

e.t.c


stunt_man
Joined: Sep 22, 2009

GMYF - Now hosting proper MLG gametypes!


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 08:41 AM    Msg. 16 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
I also sorta want a scientific study of the toll and effect that reading my posts both have on the reader.

I.E:

How much energy is exerted.

Total strain.

Positive and negative side effects of lengthy read-through's.

Psychological impacts.

e.t.c


Fixed that for you fam


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 09:28 AM    Msg. 17 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: stunt_man
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
I also sorta want a scientific study of the toll and effect that reading my posts both have on the reader.

I.E:

How much energy is exerted.

Total strain.

Positive and negative side effects of lengthy read-through's.

Psychological impacts.

e.t.c


Fixed that for you fam



Ahhhhh GG!


StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011

https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 12:00 PM    Msg. 18 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: HyperAlex
Inb4 console peasant yer suck you should not be playing Fps games Kb + mouse FTW PC master race !!!!!

Controllers are an insurance to when this happens:



Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 12:09 PM    Msg. 19 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: HyperAlex
Inb4 console peasant yer suck you should not be playing Fps games Kb + mouse FTW PC master race !!!!!

Controllers are an insurance to when this happens:

http://i.imgur.com/kSy1ylh.jpg


Damn storm you fell for the diamond ruse too?


StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011

https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 12:43 PM    Msg. 20 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: HyperAlex
Inb4 console peasant yer suck you should not be playing Fps games Kb + mouse FTW PC master race !!!!!

Controllers are an insurance to when this happens:

http://i.imgur.com/kSy1ylh.jpg


Damn storm you fell for the diamond ruse too?

It was worth it though. I found my old 2014 Brazil postcard I tried to sell.


lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 02:37 PM    Msg. 21 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: HyperAlex
Inb4 console peasant yer suck you should not be playing Fps games Kb + mouse FTW PC master race !!!!!

Controllers are an insurance to when this happens:

http://i.imgur.com/kSy1ylh.jpg


Damn storm you fell for the diamond ruse too?

It was worth it though. I found my old 2014 Brazil postcard I tried to sell.


Is that actually you?


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 02:42 PM    Msg. 22 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: lolslayer
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: HyperAlex
Inb4 console peasant yer suck you should not be playing Fps games Kb + mouse FTW PC master race !!!!!

Controllers are an insurance to when this happens:

http://i.imgur.com/kSy1ylh.jpg


Damn storm you fell for the diamond ruse too?

It was worth it though. I found my old 2014 Brazil postcard I tried to sell.


Is that actually you?


Yes it is. I know what you are thinking why don't I wax?

Well waxing is:

A) expensive.

B) painful.

C) weird.

I might get this though for christmas.


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 03:04 PM    Msg. 23 of 26       
I literally started getting jitters when he adjusted the waist band of his boxers.


StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011

https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 05:15 PM    Msg. 24 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: The Master
Your skin is soft like a baby's butt. That or you're morbidly obese, anyway what happened to your finger?

Norwegian Formula is a top notch cream. You've heard of on-the-table machines that crush steel components? Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh...... :'v

Quote: --- Original message by: lolslayer
Is that actually you?

What stays in Brazil, stays and sambas.


OrangeJuice
Joined: Jan 29, 2009

Documentation and debug.txt


Posted: Jul 19, 2016 05:26 PM    Msg. 25 of 26       
Is nice to be proficient with a controller for a night out .


MonkeyBuggy
Joined: Jul 12, 2016

When life throws rocks, get a nuke.


Posted: Jul 20, 2016 06:10 PM    Msg. 26 of 26       
Quote: --- Original message by: The Master
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
Quote: --- Original message by: lolslayer
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: HyperAlex
Inb4 console peasant yer suck you should not be playing Fps games Kb + mouse FTW PC master race !!!!!

Controllers are an insurance to when this happens:

http://i.imgur.com/kSy1ylh.jpg


Damn storm you fell for the diamond ruse too?

It was worth it though. I found my old 2014 Brazil postcard I tried to sell.


Is that actually you?


Yes it is. I know what you are thinking why don't I wax?

Well waxing is:

A) expensive.

B) painful.

C) weird.

I might get this though for christmas.
Real men don't shave



Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: The Master
Your skin is soft like a baby's butt. That or you're morbidly obese, anyway what happened to your finger?

Norwegian Formula is a top notch cream. You've heard of on-the-table machines that crush steel components? Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh...... :'v


Nah. Good old Irish formula is the best. Cured my sandal burn from the beach in a jiffy.
Edited by MonkeyBuggy on Jul 20, 2016 at 06:14 PM

 

 
Previous Older Thread    Next newer Thread







Time: Thu January 19, 2023 1:20 AM 172 ms.
A Halo Maps Website