Waiting is a lot easier than making a game, even though you would be waiting for many, many years.

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 21, 2014 at 08:45 PM

Sprinkle makes a good point. Plus, isn't PC hardware basically the same way?

i have tried contacting people from gearbox, and asked buddies from microsoft and bungie but no one seems to have it. the only bit of code left is the stuff that Sawnose has on the build pc under his desk. but its not complete. only little bits and pieces from old patches

Already got the source code, not sharing though.

On a completely different but related note : Your effort is valiant, but sadly not needed nor in the scope of possible things that Microsoft ever would give us.

Okay, let me clear all this up for you all.

1. All files included in the development of Halo Ce are still in use and can be used today.

Why? It's pretty obvious isn't it? Continuation.....ever single piece of work used or unused for halo is stored in one of 3 known Protected HDD's. I say known since it is highly probable that bungie and co decided to make back ups of there backups, and who knows perhaps a rogue worker stashed some stuff on his usb without being detected?

(it;s happened before)

2. Source code is still available, but only as a back up. Bungie, 343i, gearbox have already improved upon the stability, flexibility and durability of said code. So although it isn't in use any more it still is available, locked deep in the bowls of a pentagon rated security HDD.

And if you are wondering why nobody has released it well, the answer is simple:

Competition.

The game industry is rife with start ups each trying to stake there claim on the Video game market. It wouldn't make much sense for bungie 343i or whoever currently holds the files to give what has been the sole provider of there success to the world so someone else can reign over them.

I mean, if you leave a door open a rat will move in.

I don't want to spark hatred upon 343i it's in one of Microsoft's contracts not to release any form of utility to the mass public. I mean can you imagine if people started building better and more popular games than what micrsoft flogs at obscene prices?

Especially, if those "better" and more "popular" games are simply free DL games or DLC content. Nobody would think to buy anything from the owners of halo again save just to keep up with the social trends e.t.c

3. Is it even possible to crack the source code?

Of course but you need to be Kornmann x a 1000 to be clever enough to crack and locate the code. Even then however it doesn't mean it would spark better content for custom edition.

Engine related scripting, if you are a 1 man army takes a whole lot of time.


Now I hate to crush any dreams, but the only conceivable ways I could think of source and maybe another editing kit being released could be.

1. 343i loses mass profits, after popularity dwindles, in such 343i might move to release all of it's content through individuals who wanted to "jump the ship"

Or they could grow a heart and realize there isn't no come back, so why not release everything we know it won't be of any use to use later.

2. The Halo Saga ends, no more games. It's pretty much the same scenario as above we can't do anything with halo anymore so why not give it to the public?

3. Some billionaire mapper (alits94 hint hint) lay's down 900k on the table for an editing kit order, I'm basing this scenario on the money making machine micro soft is. If they could earn money from it they might sell it.

4. Rogue 343 programmers who feel our pain and decide to secretly release special content to us humble folks.

Ya, I didn't mind at first, but Halo: Ce's engine limitations and editing kit are starting to bug me a bit now. Don't get me wrong, this is one of the most user-friendly editing kits out there, but there are better. And trust me, I'd much rather mod Halo 2 or Halo 3. Or both, but mainly Halo 2, but that's just my thing.

the halo 3 and up version of the "HEK" is amazing from what i have heard. geurilla and sapien supposedly have a bunch more useful features. some of the features existed in the halo 1 hek but gearbox broke them when porting to pc

Unless it's already been in development for many years vOv.


Same here :D, high five.


The code isn't really the reason why the halo games are successful, they did something first, that impression has lasted for generations. There really isn't anything anyone could learn from Halo 1's source code that would give them an edge or profit especially in today's bloated market. Doom 3's source code was released, if it helped anyone get a profit it would be amateur/future game developers that were able to see the source of a production level game engine. Let's not forget UE4 is open source right now as well, it's probably benefited them more than having closed source, as they now have people working for them for free to fix bugs or add features that they so desire. If anything a better reason would be microsoft doesn't want to invest the money it would take to make the source code open source compatible. Maybe they are using a proprietary library that isn't exactly open source compatible (such as Havok that every halo but 1 uses).


See above, halo's brand is more popular than anything some no body can scrounge up from halo 1's source code. There already are a bunch of halo clones out there, i don't really see them making more cash than halo 4.


What's a kornman measured in? In any case i bet my kornman is bigger than yours :P.

I'm kind of struggling to think of a good reason why you'd *want* the source code anyway.

As was said in the thread before, Halo runs mostly fine under WINE so can be ported to basically anything with PC hardware without even touching the code.
From an academic standpoint, there are some awesome examples of game engine code already out there, such as Carmack's work with Doom and Quake, a lot of Ken Silverman's work, and a ton of other stuff for if you're ever curious about making your own game engine.
And from the perspective of extending Halo's engine to do things it wasn't originally capable of, that's basically what OpenSauce does anyway, and that WILL have source code available when they're finished with it. Sure, it's not going to make Halo look and perform like it was released yesterday, but very few community engine rewrites do anyway.

That doesn't change the question at all.

Kornmann all by him self is like worth 50 of us mappers.

To translate that into monetary terms, a mint condition kornmann unopened and no nasty crinkling on the box package could be worth upwards of $30000.00000

The average mapper was recently appraised by sotherby's @ $-75

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Kornman isn't a mapper though, just like he isn't a criminal master mind to try and steal the halo source code. He probably couldn't create a decent map if his life depended on it. It's a different skillset. You're worshiping someone too much.

You don't know that, who's too say kornmann like us hasn't created his own box map and then evolved to the secret contributor of lumoris.......

Theres a secret contributor to Lumoris?

Please, tell me more

Shhhhhh, the Halo Bureau Of Investigation maybe listening!