it seems nice... and people you shouldn't be so bad with this, cause right now halo 4 might look bad and all and in sixmonths it could be far better than halo 3... and though i agree with that elites look weird and that Spartans IV are weirder we don't really now how it might end
so until it gets released none will be right and halo 4 might succed and
im with jaz if it not pc im not gonna play it

Oh, and before people shout at me for making a dumb comment about PC.

I'm not saying I won't buy it because I hate Xbox! I loved Reach!


I just know that if Halo 4's on PC and allows modding, I might be able to fix 343's 'changes' myself. And even if I can't change the core gameplay to revert back to the Halo 'style', other modifications like adding the great maps from the CE community will make it worth it.
If it's on Xbox and doesn't allow modding, then it's just not worth it. Halo 4 just doesn't look like the kind of game I'd enjoy unless custom maps are allowed.

what jaz said, i agree with him

You people are just butthurt about looks. Seriously, you have no idea how the gameplay will go, and I for one am excited. The Spartans look epic, and the elites are looking cewl as well. Sure, the Grunts are fugly, but they're always fugly.

343 is trying to make their mark, and you're bashing on the new company because it isn't ripping off Bungie. Get real. If you don't like it, don't be so butthurt.

@everyone who thinks we are ignorant haters, we may not know for sure what the gameplay will be like, but we're also not idiots, it's not unlikely that we can successfully speculate what the gameplay will be like to a degree, I mean COME ON, it's not rocket science. I was pretty much dead on about what would and did kill reac's multiplayer. there's no way they can gut halo's gameplay enough to make things like random weapon drops and x ray vision work in the game, THAT I know. so chances are they WILL gut the gameplay to make it work. I know they're definitely going to change some aspects of the DMR and battle rifle to make them coincide efficiently. Therefore I can speculate it's going to be a very different halo from what we're used to, and considering that I for one am USED to halo's generic gameplay, there's a good chance that I'm not going to like the new halo. You can't call me a faggot for that, and if you're stupid enough to hate on me when I have completely fair concerns, you should probably have your mental stability tested. Or grow up, one of those two.
Edited by Delicon20 on Apr 7, 2012 at 08:59 PM

Quick bit of info for you, nothing killed Reach's multiplayer, it is still going strong with a good 100k players on at the peak of the day. You don't know that anything they do will kill the gameplay because you haven't played it yet. It is obvious to anyone that the gameplay will be changed but that is to be expected with a new company at the helm. Just stop all this random whiny speculation about it sucking. WAIT UNTIL THE GAME ACTUALLY COMES OUT!.

@Delicon

"USED to"

The exact words that explain exactly why changing Halo's core style is a BAD IDEA.

Halo doesn't get sales from it's adverts alone. At least 40% of Halo's sales come from the... FANS.

So, seriously, if 343 does change 'halo's generic gameplay', then they can look forward to lower sales and less fan support than ever before.

They can look forward to lower sales and less support from older Halo fans, but they also can look forward to higher sales and more support from other people who are more interested and or like the new gameplay style.

you keep saying it wasn't a failure, but you don't realize that compared to halo 3, reach is pathetic, halo 3 kept a huge fan base from 07 until reach was released, and even then a large amount of the players went back to halo 3. absolutely no one I know plays halo reach, even if they were halo junkies. I still DO however know people that play halo 3 often. Just because a game is successful compared to the generic idea of what makes a game successful, doesn't mean it's not a failure in comparison to its predecessors

I keep saying it wasnt a failure because it wasn't a failure, compared to H3, yes it wasn't hyped as much and the changes threw off some of the fans, but it still isn't a failure. It is in no way a failure compared to any of its predecessors.

no firefight, really?

I agree with, like, everything you just said.



I keep saying to people on waypoint why changing core gameplay concepts is a bad idea, but it goes over the kids' heads, ya know?

Hmmm... My thoughts on Halo 4; We'll see....

It looks like Boarderlands and Halo Reach had a baby.... and an ugly one too.

Completely agree with you guys on this. If Halo Reach didn't throw off all older Halo fans that have been with bungie since the beginning, Halo 4 will finish that job. Forerunner vision, random weapon drops...come on, who gets paid to invent these crappy ideas...

Halo 4 looks like an attempt to ride off of the ideas of other popular games. CoD, Mass Effect, Dead Space to name a few. I am very displeased with how the elites look, it's like Jar Jar Binks cut off his ears and threw on a huge metal backpack. The DMR has a happy-colored green scope and screen. The only thing that is keeping me from going and burning down 343I is the episodal mission extensions and Cortana.

Hmm. Let me explain why I think half of the people who complained in this thread are going to buy it anyway:

I once believed Reach sucked. Not just a little bit, like Halo Wars, but sucked tremendously. I believed Bungie had sentenced Halo to death with it, that they had gone form the people I loved to the people I hated. I believed it so hard it was true to me. Then, I got an Xbox 360 and Halo 3. (Yes, I know, I only got a Xbox 360 after Reach. Don't judge me.) I played Halo 3, but something was nibbling at my mind all the time, the promise of epicness. I knew it couldn't be Reach, surely; it had the worst story evar and it sucked. But, the thing was persistent, I started to believe it was Forge World, because that seemed to be the only good thing about it. It still nibbled, and finally, one day, I submitted to the pressure. I went to Gametraders and bought Halo: Reach.

And I liked it. The Inner, righteous Halo Fan had come out and shouted "THIS IS HALO!" It had kicked the doubt off the edge of the circular chasm that has no place being there. And I finally learned:

Halo 3 ODST was actually the worst Halo evar.

The point is, I reckon you will have an annoying little nibble in your mind in the months to come. Seriously, get it when you first get the nibble: I wasted five months of my life trying to beat the nibble. Nobody can beat the nibble.

Halo 3 ODST had some of the best story telling in the series. Cant say the encounters were bad or anything, but they werent spectacular.
Edited by Higuy on Apr 8, 2012 at 09:09 AM

Sigh... I shall not explain to you padawan... I shall not explain. My opinion, which happens to be that Halo 3 ODST sucked, also happens to be fact.

But, we do not debate the truth that is obvious here.

I have one last thing before I leave you by yourself, padawan. *Lies down and starts dying, grabs Higuy's hand.* Don't- Don't let her go.Don't ever let her go.(Coughs) Send me out-with a bang.*Dies, epic music plays, Higuy listens to a crazy AI lady console him, Higuy activates a gigantic ring-shaped world weapon that will destroy Ark, Higuy exits building, Higuy climbs convenient ice ramp, Higuy walks along cliff, Higuy enters door surrounded with flood, Higuy enters another door, kills lots of flood and sentinels, Higuy opens door, Higuy kills flood, Higuy opens another door, Higuy goes through hallway, Higuy kills bunch of infection forms, Higuy opens door, Higuy steals warthog, HIGUY DRIVES WARTHOG THROUGH AN AWESOME OBSTACLE COURSE REMINISCENT OF THE LAST SEGMENT OF THE MAW WHILE LISTENING TO A CRAZY AI LADY, HIGUY DRIVES THE WARTHOG IN THE FOWARD UNTO DAWN, HIGUY PUTS AI IN, HIGUY WATCHES AND HOLDS ON AS AI STARTS ENGINES, HIGUY LETS GO, HIGUY HOLDS ON, HIGUY CLIMBS BACK UP, HIGUY REASSURES CRAZY LADY, HIGUY'S NUMBER IS SCRATCHED ONTO THE SIDE OF A MONUMENT, HIGUY TALKS TO CRAZY AI LADY, HIGUY GOES TO CRYOSLEEP, HIGUY WAKES UP, HIGUY GOES THROUGH EXPLODING SHIP, HIGUY STARTS A NEW TRILOGY OF HALO GAMES!

Yeah, I spammed. Deal with it.

I am pretty cool, as you can tell.

I stopped reading there. Deal with it.

Higuy starts a new trilogy of Halo games?!

Well, good. At least Higuy knows how to make a 'Halo' game more like 'Halo' and less like 'Call of Duty' and 'Crysis'. ;)

I think the campaign will be badass, as I've said, and will be just as good as any before it.

I like what they're doing with the MP; I've never been fond of the Halo MP as it's been, and I've always thought Halo would be a lot of fun if it opted for a more COD type MP armory pre-game. While COD notoriously suffers from exploitables, if the loadout mechanics which I like were combined with the stable MP that Halo has always had, I think we have a winning combination.

Really with the "they're ruining MP because it's not exactly like the original" comments? QQ moar. Making the same game over and over with no big changes is never fun.
Edited by The Cereal Killer on Apr 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Change isn't always good.This is a bit too much,if you ask me.The setting and concepts are fine but it's too different.The current gameplay features aren't too good.The armor alone needs some changes. Crysis + Halo = Spartan 4's

However it is logical to give them armor abilities. It just doesn't feel halo 1-3 style, you say, well this is halo 4. Prepare for changes and if you don't like them, then too bad. Personally I hate how Masterchief looks but I'm still looking forward to the 'new' multiplayer 'experience' and the storyline along with spartan ops.

Can't believe I ever thought the Elites were handsome.

Now they're just.. gross.

A battle rifle, AND a DMR in the same game? O_o

ODST had the best AI of all the games. They were intimidating, fit their characters, and actually interacted with their environment.

As far as Halo 4, I'm loving the direction they're going in. I'm only sad we won't be able to play as Elites in matchmaking and that the multiplayer maps currently lack some aesthetic originality (as far as textures and shaders go), but otherwise I'm really like the way it's looking.

if anybody is curious "infinity" is an oni project/ship. it is suppossed to be a ship with all the upgrades and advancements that the humans have learned from both the war with the covenant and their forerunner discoveries. not to mention the substantial amount of hurogok or engineers the unsc currently has at onyx. the unsc infinity also houses the spartan IV program and thus the reason why its called infinity -refs n00b? glasslands.

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Edited by Dennis on Apr 11, 2012 at 09:48 PM

i agree but i think theres a good reason for it. the elites were almost your exclusive enemy for most of the war, in recent years they have gotten weaker without the prophets and alot of infighting. they for the most part can barely support their own planet. also they WONT be your primary enemy in the game so it makes sense to me logically that they would nerf them so to speak. but agian, i agree they look weaker... but gotta admit more scary

LMFAO :p

Very true though.

All we've got is this article to discuss. To be perfectly honest I don't think we can really have a true opinion of the game until we play it. I will be buying halo 4, if it is good, then I have hope for 5 and 6. If it is bad, we can simply ignore the fact that 4,5, and 6 exist/will exist and move on with our lives.

I'll be starting a new mapping team, it is called "The Real Halo 4 Mapping Team" AKA TRH4MT, and we will make a better Halo 4 then 343 ever could! Whos in?!?!

I'm not.

I really don't understand why we're criticizing a game that hasn't even had any extensive story or gameplay previews. Also, to be perfectly honest I could give a crap about multiplayer, I buy halo for the story, not the screaming children. The story looks promising from what I read so far. I'll keep posted.