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Nickster5000 Joined: Dec 11, 2010	Posted: May 15, 2011 04:23 PM Msg. 1 of 11 C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Halo Custom Edition2>tool structure levels\f00 f00 Couldn't read map file './toolbeta.map' building intermediate geometry... building collision geometry... reducing collision geometry... building collision bsp... ### WARNING found nearly coplanar surfaces (red and green). reducing collision bsp... verifying collision geometry... verifying collision bsp... building portals... ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). EAX: 0xFFFFFFFE EBX: 0x0364C301 ECX: 0x0012F2C8 EDX: 0x000002CC EDI: 0x0012F2C8 ESI: 0x00000000 EBP: 0x0012F1A0 ESP: 0x0012F190 EIP: 0x7C90E514, C3 8D A4 24 ????? EXCEPTION halt in .\import_structures\build_portals.c,#616: plane_index!=bsp->pl anes.count C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Halo Custom Edition2> Here is what i get in tool. Some pictures of model errors: (If you see the magenta lines, that is where im erroring) I dont know what this means: ### WARNING found nearly coplanar surfaces (red and green). I have been getting this error for a while, and i am portaling for the first time, and i have read the HEK tutorial, asked some friends, and now im at my last resort. You guys. Any help will be appreciated, any trolls will not. Thank you.

UnevenElefant5 Joined: May 3, 2008 its been fun yall, i'll never forget this site :')	Posted: May 15, 2011 04:52 PM Msg. 2 of 11 The coplanar error is when you have two faces that are almost planar but not exactly. Imagine you had 2 perfectly flat pieces of paper. They would be planar. Now, if you crinkled one, it wouldn't be planar anymore. The error basically means that you have a vertex that like, 0.01 units higher than the others. You can either move that one vertex down, or find the faces, select them, and then hit "make planar" (you must be in editable poly mode). Usually for me, making planar doesn't work, so I just move it very slightly in one direction. Small enough that the difference isn't noticed ingame, but big enough to make the error go away. E: and sorry I don't know anything about portals :S what did the HEK tutorial error section say about that error? Edited by UnevenElefant5 on May 15, 2011 at 04:53 PM

Nickster5000 Joined: Dec 11, 2010	Posted: May 15, 2011 04:56 PM Msg. 3 of 11 Quote: --- Original message by: UnevenElefant5 The coplanar error is when you have two faces that are almost planar but not exactly. Imagine you had 2 perfectly flat pieces of paper. They would be planar. Now, if you crinkled one, it wouldn't be planar anymore. The error basically means that you have a vertex that like, 0.01 units higher than the others. You can either move that one vertex down, or find the faces, select them, and then hit "make planar" (you must be in editable poly mode). Usually for me, making planar doesn't work, so I just move it very slightly in one direction. Small enough that the difference isn't noticed ingame, but big enough to make the error go away. E: and sorry I don't know anything about portals :S what did the HEK tutorial error section say about that error? Edited by UnevenElefant5 on May 15, 2011 at 04:53 PM There's an error section in the HEK tutorial? >_> And thanks btw E. Just fixed the planes, and now my errors just dissapeared, except for this last one im about to find out: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Halo Custom Edition2>tool structure levels\f00 f00 Couldn't read map file './toolbeta.map' building intermediate geometry... building collision geometry... reducing collision geometry... building collision bsp... ### WARNING found nearly coplanar surfaces (red and green). reducing collision bsp... verifying collision geometry... verifying collision bsp... building portals... ### WARNING unearthed edge (magenta boxed lines). EAX: 0x0000096C EBX: 0x07E1A401 ECX: 0x07E1A428 EDX: 0x00000001 EDI: 0x0012F2C8 ESI: 0x00000000 EBP: 0x0012F1A0 ESP: 0x0012F190 EIP: 0x7C90E514, C3 8D A4 24 ????? EXCEPTION halt in .\import_structures\build_portals.c,#616: plane_index!=bsp->pl anes.count C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Halo Custom Edition2> Thanks elephant! Edited by ODST_Nick on May 15, 2011 at 04:56 PM Edited by ODST_Nick on May 15, 2011 at 05:04 PM

bobbysoon Joined: Feb 1, 2007	Posted: May 15, 2011 09:56 PM Msg. 4 of 11 Try simpler portals. 2x2x2 or 3x3x2 for starters, but not 16x16x1. You don't need to divide the +sky that much Be sure there's no duplicate faces, that your verts are welded, and that your outer portal edges (open edges) are out of the boxmap

DarkLord0912 Joined: Jan 17, 2009 Works on bigger and better things	Posted: May 16, 2011 11:16 PM Msg. 5 of 11 You must redo your portals,also make sure every edge od the portal comes out of the skybox slightly on the sides bottom and top.Make sure every box or cluster in the portal is sealed at all it's edges. And a note to many portals are bad also. And are they +portal or +exactportals. If there not +exactportals wait until you start them there way harder to setup.

Nickster5000 Joined: Dec 11, 2010	Posted: May 18, 2011 05:59 PM Msg. 6 of 11 Quote: --- Original message by: DarkLord0912 You must redo your portals,also make sure every edge od the portal comes out of the skybox slightly on the sides bottom and top.Make sure every box or cluster in the portal is sealed at all it's edges. And a note to many portals are bad also. And are they +portal or +exactportals. If there not +exactportals wait until you start them there way harder to setup. the boxes are grids, the exactportals are on the tunnels. i know how to portal correctly

OpsY Joined: Feb 19, 2007 Frobisher Bay	Posted: May 18, 2011 06:22 PM Msg. 7 of 11 Obviously you don't if you're getting this error. For +Portal, it divides the loose parts of BSPs. Making so many is kinda pointless. You can do 5 x 5 and be fine... There's a limit on the amount of portals you can use ( not sure if it's Hard limit or ''Average'' limit). I think it's around 200 portals... not sure. If you have an exact portal that's 30 triangles, count it as 30 portals for this limit. RPG_Beta6.2 sits on this limit. I even had to delete a few portals to have it compile

bobbysoon Joined: Feb 1, 2007	Posted: May 18, 2011 08:01 PM Msg. 8 of 11 Keep it simple until you have success with it

UnevenElefant5 Joined: May 3, 2008 its been fun yall, i'll never forget this site :')	Posted: May 18, 2011 09:21 PM Msg. 9 of 11 Someone really should make a video tutorial on portals. The original HEK tutorial is okay, but it helps if someone walks you through it.

bobbysoon Joined: Feb 1, 2007	Posted: May 20, 2011 07:44 AM Msg. 10 of 11 I've found this method to give the least hassle: Make a plane, wider than the boxmap, segmented about 5x5 for 25k tris, and above the terrain, but in the boxmap. It divides most of the sky from the terrain. Convert to mesh. Select the inner, aka: closed visable edges, extrude to below the map. Delete duplicate faces using Ignore Backfacing, double-check using Show Normals (adjust normal length, 200+). Apply +portal & link to frame. Tool, and if there's errors, they're probably unearthed edges. If a portal edge passes thrue the bsp, it should only be at one point. So some invisable diagonal edges may be in and out of some slopes. May need to move some verts up or down, may need to turn edges, may even divide edges. Could also snug down the horizontal plane. If a cluster is hidden behind a hill, it wont be rendered. Tip: Hold your breath for a long time and then read it and it'll be like a video tutorial. Edited by bobbysoon on May 20, 2011 at 07:47 AM

Nickster5000 Joined: Dec 11, 2010	Posted: May 20, 2011 01:28 PM Msg. 11 of 11 Thanks guys, i appreciate the help ^_^

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