I don't think that Jesus was born when they say he was, because there was a different calendar system back then, and it would be very difficult to have specifically recorded the date upon which such an even occurred. I do believe, however, that he was born and lived. Whether he followed through the events of the Bible is under personal belief (although I do believe it).
But, that said, I hope you all fill your stomachs to bursting with succulent food!

^this. plus a thousand more reasons.
it cant be proved that astrology, the whole subject itself, is accurate.

STOP FIGHTING! Your gonna make my pet grunt cry! he is already in a corner saying: its back.... the demons back..... for me!!!!
just stop fighting guys! its Christmas! we need 2 be nice 2 each other! btw, i was jk about a pet grunt crying. but i want a pet grunt.

OMG YOU SHOULD SAY HAPPY HOLIDAYS >:CCCCC
Just kidding, I feel like people who do that should be crucified (lol)
Wow, you guys can't go two pages in a thread without causing an argument...

lol @ Tartarus skin
Edited by ThetianSoldier on Dec 19, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Great pic bungie. I spy the Legendary mugs, UNSC banner, and nade ornaments.
I'm also surprised that we can't even say happy holidays without starting a religious argument or whatever. I didn't read the whole flame war, so I don't know what it's about.
Happy Holidays and keep tl;dr-ing.

Maybe he meant astronomy? Astrology is believing our lives are determined by the position of the stars.
What a load of bullcrap

MERRY CHRISTMAS!


Edited by yayaplols on Dec 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM

But that was the original celebrating of Christmas.
We've been hiding it as a religious thing because the pope would get mad if we didn't act like it.

No seriously, Christmas was celebrated as a get drunk and have sex in America since it was first introduced. That's because it's always been that way.

We hide it behind religious fanatics because, they like it too.

And a very random Merry Christmas to you too =p

either way. you cant use astronomy to predict when life's things happen. im not talking about physical things, like the creation of the earth, im talking about when things happened to people.

Yes, sorry i did mean Astronomy, it was early, and i wasn't thinking clearly.
And where did i say "Predict" i said it was used to CONFIRM that the "Star Of Bethlehem" did exist, and how, giving a more accurate date on which Jesus was born. Good try though.

you said confirm. im saying predict.
there is no proof that astronomy itself is accurate. Everything we know about the universe, except for our closest stars and planets, is based on theory and guesses, And even if astronomy IS accurate, there is a ridiculous amount of factors that could interfere. one, for example, being the amount of time it takes for light to reach us. It takes 8 minutes for light from our own sun to reach us (thats proven, based on multiplying the distance by the speed of light) so how long would it take from light from the star of Bethlehem to reach us? of course it exists (according to christian and jewish beliefs)- its in the bible. because it would take a ridiculous amount of time for its light to reach us, no one in their right mind can make an accurate reading of its position.

And looking around the internet, we dont even know if it IS a star. it could just as well been a phenomenon for that occasion.

har har! so hilarious and believable! I didn't know you were joking till you said.

Where in hell did i say it even was a star? I swear i said something about it NOT being a star in my first post. And quite frankly, where did this PREDICT crap come from? *begins to lol at the incoming 1up attempt from abkarch*

everything we know is based on faith. faith in other people, and faith in greater beings. scientists have faith in their beliefs in astronomy. Christians have faith in god. Faith is proof. i have faith that im not hooked up to a computer. faith doesnt always connect to religion. without faith, there is no proof.

@ amazingcuziam.

i suppose predict isn't the correct word. calculate is better. The point is there are so many factors in astronomy dealing with light and positioning that it is nearly impossible without written reference from the past to discover exactly when Jesus was born. He (the guy in that movie or whatever) cant prove anything to everyone. faith is proof. you have faith that he is correct, which, to you, means he prooved it. to me, i have faith that astronomy is inaccurate, which prooves to me that he is incorrect.


I am realizing that people here dont understand logic at all, so im hoping to leave this thread. hopefully.
Edited by abkarch on Dec 19, 2010 at 10:22 PM

No it isn't. You mean to tell me that EVERYTHING i know is based on FAITH? To say that there is no proof without faith is somewhat incorrect. Whatever though, i won't get into beliefs.

thats exactly what im saying. did god appear to you and tell you directly that everything that you are looking at right now exists? I highly doubt it. So while its extremely likely that it all does exist, you have to have faith to believe it does.

Wow this thread really shows the shining characters in this community. Sad that there are so many bitter trolls just waiting for a good argument no matter the context.

Merry Christmas everybody
if you're anything like me, you're celebrating this POS year being nearly over!

BRING ON TEH NEW YEAR'S EVE PARTY!1

i was using that as an example at first, but since no one got it, i clarified.

I'm sorry, but i can honestly say, I do not need to have faith and believe this world exists. I will believe this world exists, until proven otherwise. Please though, try to prove your theory correct.

Zomg people, just enjoy the stupid holiday.

I'm not trying to be, I'm just telling someone else who's trying that he's failing miserably.

belief and faith are linked. you are proving me correct. You believe it exists. you cannot be 100% certain. its impossible. your belief is your faith that it exists.

Yes, i am "feeling" my keyboard right now. I don't have faith that i am pressing keys on it, I KNOW i am pressing keys.

But, i KNOW that i am feeling something. I may not know what, but i know its something. Which is essentially what you just said, don't go contradicting yourself in your next post please :)

Regardless of whether you are Christian, Jew, or Muslim, it is accepted by each of these three faiths that Jesus Christ existed as a historical figure. Depending upon which of these faiths you may hold, Christians believe Jesus to be Immanuel or "God with us", the Son of God who was born into this world to die for our sins. Jews and Muslims believe that he was only a major Prophet of God, but is to shown honor and respect.

If one is an athiest, or of some other faith, the fact that Jesus Christ existed is in my opinion beyond doubt. In accordance with my personal faith, I believe with all my heart that Jesus was Immanuel.

nvm
Edited by abkarch on Dec 19, 2010 at 10:46 PM

typical halomaps.org, a merry christmas wish from someone turns into a war about beliefs...

Just Gotta Love this Forum!!!

u shoulda expected it.
before i leave this thread:

"As a Christian I have to say that Christmas was a pagan holiday originally. And Jesus wasn't born in December . Christmas was a ploy for the catholic church to please their new Roman converts just like how god is portrayed as an old bearded man wielding a thunderbolt."

I agree, and from what I have read, his birth was most likely spring time. I believe there is some connection with Ceasar calling for taxes to be collected that points to a different time than Winter.
Edited by Mysterion on Dec 19, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Woohoo! now that, thats over with. Merry Christmas everyone! If your British, Happy Christmas! Have a great time, doing whatever it is your doing for the holidays! Oh, and just consider the argument my gift to you! :P!