and some people should learn to keep their mouths shut, and keep that 'criticism' directed at one person to PM's.

If you have some kind of problem with how my attitude can be at times, I'm sorry I'm just more mature and expect higher standards to be met by people. I can't help it.

In terms of me "slandering" Hayabusa, I think I have the proper experience and right to say what I did. He's been animating for I dunno, ~3 years? And I've yet to see something inspiring and original come from him.

I am going to offer some to you as well. Your are free to your opinions and it is fine if they maybe in direct contrast to others in this forum, however your method of stating has been often time highly argumentative and confrontational. Starting with your selection of a username, as we both know is designed to be confrontational, others will perceive anything you post as negative even if not, be that as it may you would do well to tone down your responses, as other should as well, to be less confrontational.

You have technically not violated any of the rules of the forum however you are clearly not playing nice, and in this matter your opinion of whether you are or are not is irrelevant since mine is the only one that matters on this subject.

My suggestion is that since you have already taken a contrary stance with your username you keep your rhetoric civil and polite. Feel free to disagree with people but do so in a less provoking manner.

I couldn't agree more, ODX...

I am the same way...

so you're justifying having an attitude, telling people to kill themselves, and often times not offering proper criticism by by saying you're more mature than everybody else. you do realize that part of being mature is being civil and not having an attitude towards people, right?



I apologize if I rub off as a dick sometimes. if you haven't noticed, I'm an opinionated individual. I'm not ashamed to express my opinions on a subject. however, it seems that whenever I do, nobody knows how to respond without resorting to personal attacks, cursing, and name calling. my confrontational name seems to bring out the worst in people, and the grudges that go around this place don't seem to help that at all.

I guess I can attempt to tone it down, but something tells me there won't be a significant decrease in these childish arguments that break out.

By "mature" ODX means mature in the ways of animation rather than his disposition. He tends to be as heavily opinionated on animations as you are on the various topics on these forums, and tends to express his exasperation in... creative formats. He isn't justifying his attitude; rather, he's explaining his reasoning behind his attitude.

I suppose I must have read it wrong. I read it as "I'm more mature than everybody and have higher standards, so I have an attitude" which in itself is a direct contradiction. still, I find it odd that he would go and tell other people they have atrocious attitudes, and can't take critique when he himself has an equally bad attitude and often offers a horrible excuse for "criticism" that is often morphed into personal attacks because of the attitude

are you Zira Vadum?

no dude, I'm apparently floyd according to some people.

Lol, if he was, that would just about make my day. XD

Actually I'm stating outright that I'm just more mature than others; more-so...admitting that my expectations of people are just high and hard to meet so a lot of the times I'll get angry if someone does not understand something I find simple, or posts a horribly stupid topic. Nonetheless though I believe I do my best to answer their questions.

Where are you pulling this out of? I don't recall ever critiquing much as of before maybe 2 days ago when I started posting more often. Who else have I said to have a terrible attitude also, and who are you to judge my opinions which have clear backing (2 years of putting up with him)? I don't recall mud slinging at people either because I'm much better than that. If you notice now, I'm politely responding to your outrageous comments and terribly false accusations of me without saying anything mean about you in general. Heck, I supported you for a bit because you would bring up valid points but now you've just become a hypocrite of extreme levels.

If you've noticed of late, I've been pretty polite and well-mannered towards nearly everyone. Only few feel my wraith and have my utter disgust thrown upon them; you are nearing this.
I do not believe I have ever told someone to go kill themselves either. Any times you dig me up saying that, are probably of me being terribly sarcastic. If I must admit things to you as to why I never would then please PM me and stop derailing my topic.
Edited by ODX on Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM

ODX's criticism has always been helpful and 'correct' to some extent. The animation video's I see on the internet almost always have him giving some sort of suggestion or tips, which can and will improve the animations he's critiquing on.

Only sometimes does his criticism take a roundabout and start becoming negative and/or hurtful. I don't think I've ever heard him tell somebody to kill themselves though...

Oh, so what is gonna be animated? I'd like atleast a textured weapon to work with >.>
Edited by AGLion on Nov 29, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Partly the reason I brought this back up (idea of an animation sort of "contest") is because I'm up for getting back into the groove of things and helping other animators get up-to-speed for when I really leave for good (though I doubt I'll ever "leave" since I can always check in with a few clicks).

When I think about it though and kind of look around, also taking what ICEE said into consideration...I'm really not too sure what to do or how to do it >_>

you told m00kz to kill himself on those smg animations he made a while back for having a "bad wrist." can't dig it up because you hid your comment, but it was these animations: http://www.xfire.com/video/157d6d/ overall your run ins with him were less than admirable on your part.

now that I'm giving you a piece of my mind about your actions, you think I'm a hypocrite. all I'm saying is work on your attitude.

that's all. done here. either consider what I've said or disregard me as a "hypocrite troll." all you

Know your audience. This forum's demographic is primarily 13-17 year old males who "really" like the Halo game. When a contrary opinion is expressed it is wise to do so in a factual and sometimes overly explanatory way. Especially since you have already already selected a username that explicitly runs counter to the mindset of the forum. Unlike a rose a name does have meaning. Tread lightly.

This does not let anyone else off the hook for making personal attacks because he has a differing opinion. If you differ explain why without name calling or insults.

halo is officially rated m by the ESRB, which means 18+. seems to me that the userbase should act as such, not like a bunch of mindless children who can't handle the outside world, which is filled with people who have conflicting opinions and different ways of life who are somehow, magically capable of managing just fine.

just my two cents

ESRB is optional and is not enforced by law. I don't see people necessarily acting like children, only the occasional mindless argument which are mostly instigated by trolls, but all forums have people like that.



even though we have war, violence, gangs shooting each other on the streets, innocent people dying for no good reason, amirite?

Hmaps is nothing like real life.

In an attempt to get this thread back on track i shall post.

This contest seems interesting, i saw the one that teh lag had and i liked seeing everyone's various styles of animations, i think his was a fuel rod cannon reload with the odst fp arms.

oh so that makes it perfectly acceptable for this forum to be filled with mindless fighting then?

Please... please... please... do me a favor and never ever say this again. I'm not going to deny that it may be true, but I will tell you this: a truly mature person does not need to assert his maturity. Think about it for a moment. You're on a forum full of children.

I am also going to directly state that I am in no way taking sides with anyone in this little argument.

I'm not even trying to bash on you ODX, if it might feel that way.
Edited by ICEE on Nov 30, 2010 at 01:17 AM

I know you're not taking sides, but I couldn't agree with you more icee. from what I've seen of you around here, you have my respect.

Debating maturity? really?

Believe me or not, but I did actually try to find a better word that wouldn't be asinine to say, but nothing really fit what I was simply trying to get across.
Understood, although you do always seem to give off a bored or annoyed sort of vibe in your posts har har.

If a flame war can be avoided, avoid it.End it. Please. /flame war.
we KNOW there are immature AND mature people here. ODX was not trying to start ANYTHING. please, just go back on topic.

I don't think you're listening to Dennis's advice like you supposed you would.
The mediators are correct; flame war is derailing topic.

ESRB ratings are a guide it is up to the parent or guardian to allow/disallow their child to play it. The fact remains that primary bell curve for this forum demographic is 13-17 year olds and when responding or posting you should tailor your message accordingly. Your opinion of whether people of that age belong in this forum is irrelevant.