ok sorry about the confusion... thanks Hr3shy -_-

this is zteams :/ i didnt know it was

Edited by forum ninjas on Sep 3, 2010 at 09:03 PM
Edited by Hydrogen on Sep 3, 2010 at 09:20 PM

i know its to big i just was showing the sientel beam for him :P if he likes it

I like it. We have to arrange when you're sending this. If I'm on xfire at any point, you can give it to me then. Or you could just PM it.

they do now :P

I think I'll just make two kinds of grunts: flees for the early waves, badass for the later ones.

I'd say badass all the way. Early waves become way too easy when they just flee when one grunt is downed. That's the flaw with many of the firefight maps, the grunts always flee more than they fight.

Why is that bad?

It becomes boring in the first levels, and most people don't like that. It's like writing, you want to draw people in to play your map.

Uhh... you have a plasma pistol only, and no points. I think you should be able to punch or overcharge some flee grunts. But I see what you're saying, and I'mm make sure to put badass grunts in wave 2.
Badass grunts move around more, overcharge, and increased damage. however, their bursts are about the same.

1. It's a firefight. Who cares?
2. It's a firefight. Who cares?
3. It's a firefight. Who cares? Also, dual wields.
4. You're right, except they also use the sentinel beam.
5. Sentinels shouldn't be put in until wave two, right? Same with elites, or no? I mean, it doesn't really work firefight-wise to have you face an elite without better weapons.. So "we'll just see" about the grunt wave, okay? Something tells me you're right.

Also, I think we should all take another look about my previous points system proposal.

1.Fine, start with PP (and contradict the remaining canon), but if you do that give the player some starting credit, enough to buy a PR or a Needler twice over, so they can choose what to fight the first wave with. A player can easily take down and elite using a needler, PR, or PP.
3. Elites dual wield PRs as well, even when dual-wielding they seldom use pistols.
4. Oh yeah those too.
5. Sentinels are flying enemies. Put those back until at least wave 3/4, where you will have them supporting the infantry from a range. Sentinels by themselves are easy, but combined with elites and grunts, are a major pain. And something tells me I'm right as well.

1.You guys have to stop this number list posts.

2. It lets us discuss 5 topics at once.

1. Yeah, sure, I think I'll give starting points. Just remembered that you can buy an smg in FF portent pretty early.
3. But the player can dual the pp, ne, or pr in any combo if he wants to. The AI won't dual pistols unless you give them a pistol dual.
5. Wave one won't be so boring once I introduce low-cost dual-wieldable weapons. So yeah, the grunts are less boring in wave 1. Mainly because they were too easy, but also because playtesting a firefight is boring.

6. Anybody care about the 'points pool'?


7. Heretic grunt shaders, as I've heard, are 'crap'. The beachparty heretic elite ones too. I think the grunts are ok and the elites are bad. There's an xfire link somewhere....

we can always redo the shaders for the grunts and elites.

When you say we you mean who?

I think that's a good idea. The grunts are too bland and the elites are very sharpened.
If anyone wants to actually help with shaders... meh probably not.

Anyway, the firefight gameplay is better now, and I guess I'll put a video up soon.

This looks fun.
It's great to see this community working on fun projects.
Soon, halomaps will have a great original firefight selection, using custom bsp's.

WAAAIIIT, one question about this map even though it proly wont get answered, will the arbiter have camo you can turn on and off

I doubt it...besides, the camo lasts 5 seconds with a 15 second recharge I believe.

Lolwhaaaaat this was bumped? Updates for this Work in Progress can be found in my update thread. However, I hope to release this bsp soon. Probably in a few weeks, once I get around to finishing the sky.
Sorry guys.

I've got the elite biped. Just not the grunt one.