EDIT: Totally forgot to include the description:
This is a working one-biped tag with two model permutations. Halo-3 style. One is a modified cyborg and the other an elite. In halo 2 and 3 you have the option to play as an elite. Works almost the same way the different halo 3 helmets work in some halo-3-CE maps.


I'm gonna 'release' these to show it's possible. Note that these are beta rigs and collision, so I'll be working on better ones. I also have a new script that incorporates backpacking and selecting elite or spartan form a menu.
Credit to h3mt's narrows spartans and CMTSPv2's elites!!!11!1!!!one! Both are modified a little. Feel free to expand on this concept, but remember I did it first. Includes bitmaps and shaders, but needs a little fixing.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ng8tuqxgg921zp
Have fun everybody.
Edited by SlappyThePirate on Feb 6, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Are these one biped tag or two?

What exactly are they? I dont understand description

Uh the CMT Spv2 Elites from the release I already found way to get it work. I mind as well post how fix it. In steps.

1. Download this tags http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5319
2. Extract to C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Halo Custom Edition\tags\cmt\characters\elite_v2 or C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Halo Custom Edition\tags\cmt\characters\elite_v2
3. Then delete Icee.model anamations.
4. Rename one of the tags to Icee.model anamations.( you may have do with ofter tag.)
5. And see if work in sapien.
I hope this help.

Sorry, sorry, I'll explain more.

This is a working one-biped tag with two model permutations. Halo-3 style. One is a modified cyborg and the other an elite. In halo 2 and 3 you have the option to play as an elite. Works almost the same way the different halo 3 helmets work in some halo-3-CE maps.

And in the future: different spartan and elite helmets.

In the black: What ups with the elites?

In the Red: What ups with his hand?

The hand? I know. Bad rig with the rifle. But you gotta see it drive the goose. It's just really cool.
Also, it's possible to have an elite AND spartan in mp. If you don't believe me try it out.

this is actually pretty cool. So they have the same anims, but do they have different collision?

or is it basically like they are exactly the same just they look different?

also download doesn't work
Edited by Delicon20 on Jul 19, 2010 at 02:19 PM

Question, can you filter it based on team or is it just a random perm that allows for this, or are you just joshing us? If you would, please post some ingame videos of you and another as spartan and other as elite. I would like to see this.

I don't think it's unfair to say that this doesn't look very good right now, but I am a bit more concerned about what will be done for the FP arms. Given that permutations in FP are not possible - much less setting them at will - I get the feeling that this won't really be able to be more than an incomplete novelty (and one of questionable quality at that). You could always, I suppose, do some external modification (OS or similar) to allow FP permutations, but at that point it would seem like it's more logical to just allow multiple bipeds for the player. The effort is appreciable though.

If I may pop in a suggestion, I would experiment with giving the biped two sets of bones and loading animations from the Cyborg and Elite bipeds onto each (needless to say, this would be tedious). The two permutations would be rigged to different sets, allowing you have a slightly more manageable presentation in 3p. Of course, this would be limited by the number of bones you can have working in a model and might not end up working... but I think it would be worth a shot if you want to get serious about this as a project.
Edited by teh lag on Jul 19, 2010 at 02:57 PM

There is a method which i have devised which seems to work which i will attempt to use for my upcoming map. Although it is not completely foolproof, it involves the player having a gun which they pick up from the floor in a sealed room. Once fired, the gun releases an invisible reflecting server-side sticky projectile which will bounce around and eventually hit the player. Upon hitting, it creates an effect which destroys a door which the player then walks through to a teleporter to a spawn point on the map. The sticky projectile emits a constant damage effect.

Now for the weapons. There are two varients of each weapon- one with spartan arms modelled in, one with elite arms modelled in. In contact with a damage effect from the gun spawned in the elite room, the spartan gun will destroy and spawn the elite varient, and vice versa. This can be achieved through different material damage modifiers.

There can also be a script checking which weapon a player has, and changing permutations accordingly.

Of course, it messes up if say a guy is whacked in the back and wep stolen really quickly, but it is unlikely with Halo's netcode.

It seems to work fine from my tests, and i have been able to create the damage effect so it does not interfere with shield charging or using a scope.
Edited by Koo294 on Jul 19, 2010 at 03:05 PM

to get this to work properly you need to have two sep. bone sets,one for each mesh. for example the elite bones will have the elite prefix and the spartan bones will have the spartan prefix,then the animations have to be edited so that each mesh's bones has different animations that are in the same animation file.So when you switch to the elite,it'll use the elite bone set and if your a spartan,it'll use the spartan bone set.However this may be a little tricky and such.

That's basically exactly what teh lag just said.

I didnt read what he said,I just hit the reply button after reading the first post..

Can we see some footage or an image of this?

Not yet, no. Maybe next week if i get round to it. You can't really show it with an image and i can't be bothered making a vid yet, especially since the project remains secret until CE3.
Edited by Koo294 on Jul 20, 2010 at 04:13 PM

CE3 was moved?

23rd, or 24th in my case.

Everyone's wrong.
Fp arms can have permutations. (You still can't control them, though.)
Two different bipeds for the player is NOT POSSIBLE.
Two different bonesets in the same permutation is NOT POSSIBLE.
Unless you do the arms modeled with the weapons, elite FP and HUD are not possible. I don't even think this is a good idea, because I meant this model to be used with halo 3 stuff, and I don't think people will take the time to model in the fp arms and do the stuff that goes with it. As for the script you mentioned, it won't snyc the amount of ammo in weapons unless you redo the netgame equpitment with _named weapons_ through scripts.
I hate doing any kind of rant like this, and discourage others from ranting. I just wish people would appreciate this for what it is, not what it isn't.

Here's a scipt for blue team elites in CTF. If you know what you're doing with spawn points this is not a problem.

;;This script will make the blue team player spawn as elites.

;;Make sure you've set the player to be the spartan-elite. The elite permutation should be named 'leet', but you can change that at the very end of the script.
;;Check the 'cannot be chosen randomly' flag on the elite perm in the gbxmodel. (using guerilla, obviously.)
;;Place trigger volumes over every blue team spawn point. Don't worry if you make them too big...
;;As long as they don't touch red spawn points.
;;Make the volumes BLUESPAWN1, BLUESPAWN2, BLUESPAWN3...
;;You can even put one volume over SEVERAL blue team spawns.
;;Needless to say, this only works for ctf.
;;Advanced scripters could add to this, making several elite perms, or flip this to be the red team.
;;More instructions are in the script, below.

(global short plyrnum 0)

(script continuous increase_plyrnum
	(begin
		(set plyrnum (+ plyrnum 1))
	)
)

(script continuous reset_plyrnum
	(if
		(= (> plyrnum 15) true)
			(begin
				(set plyrnum 0)
			)
	)
)

;;Okay, that's it for stealing from the backpacking script. Now for my parts:

(script continuous team
(if
	(<
		(unit_get_health
			(unit (list_get (players) plyrnum))
		);;Slappy did this
	.001)

(begin
(sleep_until (= (unit_get_health (unit (list_get (players) 0))) 1))
	(if
	(or

;;Add the name of all the blue team spawnpoint trigger volumes here...
	
	(volume_test_object BLUESPAWN1 (unit (list_get (players) plyrnum)))
	(volume_test_object BLUESPAWN2 (unit (list_get (players) plyrnum)))
	(volume_test_object BLUESPAWN3 (unit (list_get (players) plyrnum)))

;; ^^     Copy and paste those lines right there for more trigger volumes.    ^^
;;EVERY and ONLY blue team spawn volumes should be listed there.


	);;/or

	(object_set_permutation (unit (list_get (players) plyrnum)) "" leet)
	);;/if
);;/begin
);;/ big if.
)

;;"If a player dies, wait until he is alive and check to see if he's in a blue spawn point. If so, change him to be an elite.


;;You should know how to compile scripts. Copy this into notepad, save as, and save this into Halo custom edition\data\levels\yourlevel\scripts
;;Make sure that's the directory.
In sapien, go to file>compile scripts, save.

Edited by SlappyThePirate on Jul 21, 2010 at 09:05 AM

Problem with that is it doesn't sync. If i were to join a server using that script, from my point of view, until everybody died, permutations would be random. Thanks for pointing out the flaw in my method though, i guess i'll have them respawn with half or so ammo, the only way you could cheat with that really is if the blue and red team have traitors in them.
Edited by Koo294 on Jul 21, 2010 at 09:14 AM

Actually that's true. Until the first death everyone would be random. You could restart your server or something, though.
Oh, and everyone's NOT wrong. Yoko R is totally right and I didn't realize it. I'll get started on the new model/animation tag RIGHT NOW. Thanks!

He didn't say they weren't, he just said there was no way to choose permutations for FP arms.

Yes and no. You would have to do the whole method just for the fp arms, and you can't have two HUDS, really. (Or maybe you could have "two huds", but either through two weapons sets for the weapon_hud and through the flashlight for Unit_hud.... but still after that there are parts of the hud in globals that just don't match between the SPARTAN and elites)

EDIT: If you want random elites in slayer, and spartans vs elites in ctf, DONT check the cannot be chosen randomly flag and make a similar script for red team/spartans.
Edited by SlappyThePirate on Jul 21, 2010 at 07:34 PM

if you want I could donate some elites once they're done

Thanks both, because I've realized that the 3p CMT elites are not entirely accurate to Halo 3. It would be great, actually, to get some OTHER permutations, like other helmets/plating perms for the spartan and for the elites.
I've looked over the animations process defined before, too... and it looks like it will take a little while.

Don't have one, I'm not online 'all the time'.

I'll check back in that other topic, asp, for the script, too. Thanks.

So far I've rerigged the elite, now he's more hunched and stuff, but doesn't fit in the banshee.

Will the new release be out soon? Or should I put the first one in my map?

The new elite rig isn't that good, and I don't have the time to finish new animations or anything. Go ahead and use the one I released above. Have fun!

Cool are you able to do it with these tags?these are multiplayer version and contain all the tags not like the missing tags that were rips and just uploaded to halo maps this was the actual release
http://www.mediafire.com/?jz60hw5iq3hbrlu

What tagset do I need to download to get these to work? The biped is asking for tags I don't have. Whats the fastest way to obtain them?

PICS

Er... I'm a bit busy. These tags could really be improved one, but anyone could do it.
As we call it, a proof of concept.

Here's the tags I think you'll need:
http://www.mediafire.com/?nxlon6nqh0d6n51
Please be careful NOT to overwrite your halo 3 spartan shaders if you value the ones you have. Just be careful... mine are not optimal.

To use each design individually create two gbx's, one for the elite and one for cyborg.
In each, for other one, make the permutation "cannot be selected randomly" and voila, just make separate .biped tags that refer to an elite one, and a cyborg one.

A note to this is the elite may need parts of its animation IK point namings changes in the .animation tag if one wants strictly elite performance since it's been created for both styles.

Is the elites hand with AR fixed with this one?