Make your own sky tag. Set the inside light up in the tag.

i have'nt made sky tags yet. I want the lighting to be very low anyway. Could i just make tags for lights built into the map to light hallways and shed a little light (very little) on the main ground surfaces? Like light posts on the bridge and near the main road and hall lights on the walls.

You could do a little bit of both. But it still needs a sky tag. Just make the light weak on it.
Once you see the sky tag, it's pretty simple to understand how it works.

basically for the sky since i need it. Just put it on the outside maybe?

for the big lights outside, how do i insert a lens flare. Never done this before.
Edited by eliteslasher on Jun 17, 2009 at 11:13 PM

You need a sky tag, you do not need any +sky faces. Sorry if I didn't make the clear enough.

or, if you give a material the name of light in gmax/3ds max, in sapien it will appear white and will emit light once radiosity is run

That's called adding a material that emits light in sapien.

It's just like any other material. Make a plane, give it a light texture. Make sure it's render only.
Go though the HEK tutorial, it shows you how to make lights.

still can't seem to get light
i tried making a flag pole and it didn't really work. I labeled the light as "light!"
was i supposed to make it a different type of shader other than environment?
like i said i am really new to lighting

You want to use shaders that emit light.

The HEK tutorial shows you as well.
http://hce.halomaps.org/hek/index.html?start=references/level_design/mp_level_design/mp_ld_level_creation_part_02.html
Half way down the page.

it should work. the material light is the material used for the lights in a10. In what way did it not work?

Also, materials that emit light only emit light when you do radiosity in sapien. That means using tool for radiosity won't work.

so when i do use these types of materials and put them into my map, i won't immediately see the lighted result. I will have to run radiosity again right? I see that i have to make it render only, but i made a render only material and it isn't emitting light like i specified in the shader_environment. Does the bounding radius have anything to do with emitted light, or is it that i am just using the wrong shader type? I did not see how to configure the shader in the tutorial. And yes, i know i have to run radiosity again.
Edited by eliteslasher on Jun 19, 2009 at 06:25 PM

Scroll up the page, click on the link I posted. The HEK tutorial clearly shows you how to.
It's only render only if it's raised off the face it's on. It could be a wall, but depending on how the shader is set up, you might have see though parts on it. A light in a map is just like any other material on a map. Also, materials don't have bounding radius, unless you made a scenery with lights?

it is a scenery with lights, well, at least my test light post was. But it should render if i put the (!) tag at the end and make it emit light then? i just labeled it "light!" and gave it a high power and a white color of emitted light.

you shouldnt have to make a new shader for it, its already in a10

Don't make it scenery, make it part of the BSP.

Ok, i'll try just testing it on a crap map then. And i see that the a10 shader (Flourescent.shader_environment) is turd quality. For a light i assume that is best right?
Edited by eliteslasher on Jun 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Why are you only listening to him? Look at the link I posted...
If your map is human themed, you'd use lights from a10.
If it's forerunner themed you'd you ones from other levels.

not flouresent.shader_environment. Light.shader_environment. Yes, for light thats the best quality, because lights dont use lightmaps, they make them. yea, and listen to chris and the link he posted
Edited by Koo294 on Jun 20, 2009 at 02:56 PM

SUCCESS!!!






well i think i have it all figured out now. Thanks for the help guys. Look forward to my new map coming in a few months. Trying to put lots of detail and custom content into it.
Edited by eliteslasher on Jun 21, 2009 at 07:51 PM

Your map look more forerunner, you should use forerunner lights.

oh that was just a test. Don't worry about it too much. I played around with it a bit and i think i understand how most of it all works for lighting now. I just threw that together in a half hour.

I want to play around with fog and weather palates now. That is going to be interesting. I think those are explained more in the tutorial though. Snow, rain and fog are the main things i would be wanting.
Edited by eliteslasher on Jun 21, 2009 at 09:02 PM

Snow underground?

Message me on Xfire if you need help with fog and weather (or anything else). chrisk123999

the snow is for a different map i worked on a while ago and want to improve a lot.