...wut.

Well, CMT was formed to remake things that they didn't like about the Halo game or just to improve stuff right? So when Masters said that people pick up stuff and expects it to work the same, then it would sort of remove the purpose of the mod for some. You know. For different gameplay and such. But what ever...

does anyone realize that in multiplayer, when you hit a gun with an explosive, it flies 4000 miles a second? bullets should tremble in fear to the mighty flying guns

What Masters is trying to say is, even though CMT can touch things and customize them so that they think it's better than the original games, they can only do so much before it's no longer Halo.

Remember, at the end of the day, CMT is modding a Halo game.
Whenever contents in it no longer "feel" like Halo, then CMT is no longer creating a custom version of a Halo campaign; at that point, they're making their own, non-Halo game... and that's NOT their intention.

(yeah that's a really vague and subjective term to use, but it's still an important part to the project's integrity)

I think that's why Masters wants to keep some of the mechanics the way they are now; because this is a Halo game still, every single content -the guns, characters, vehicles and all- carry certain styles and expectations around which CMT has to bow down to.
No matter how realistic or original you want to be, as long as you're making a loyal Halo game, you have to adhere to those standards.

What I am saying is that if you pick up a BR/SMG/Sniper in this mod, you expect it to perform the same in every map. It shouldn't have a slight visual difference and silencer, and then perform differently in it's accuracy and it's damage.

If this is so... Halo 1 magnum. 1 shot kills any level difficulty hunter in the back for all Halos to get the Halo 1 hunter battle feel. Nah jk. I was just starting an argument out of bordem. Continue. :)

The intention of the SP projects, from SPV1 until now, was always to take the things that didn't exist in the halo universe, and mesh them with what made Halo 1 feel so great. You can debate if we did that well in SPV1 (which was really more of an experimental thing without a real good focus on gameplay),or SPV2 where we started to experiment with new areas without any prior experience in scripting or the like, which in turn ruined the flow and introduction of content. I like to think in SPV3 we have finally gotten the right mix of what we wanted to always do, and it does play like Halo 1, with features and content from the beta's of various games, the books, films, and all the games themselves. More so with SPV3, we have expiremented more with our own custom take on covenant weapons, such as the Particle Carbine being a meshing of the Beam Rifle and Carbine, the Focus Carbine being a shorter range non-sniper replacement of the Focus Rifle, and a few other things we haven't shown. Then you have stuff like the Brute PP, which is our own take on a variant of the regular plasma pistol but more suited towards the brutes and major jackals for combat.

In the end, the weapons honor their halo 1 counterparts, with the Pistol deeply resembling the Halo 1 pistol, the SMG being a slightly more accurate AR with recoil, the shotgun having the same power but more consistency, the PR having slightly lower damage to some forms of flesh, and the PP only gaining slight bloom (rather than being 100% accurate like it was in stock). Things like the needler haven't been changed at all gameplay wise, while the rocket launcher now has an extra boost in damage for any direct impact.

In short, ours is an evolution of Halo 1, not a throw the baby out with the bathwater approach that every official game seems to follow.

Sali, why are you so incredibly butthurt about everything?

why t3h...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJgBYbCNMGw

WHY D:
Edited by UHWArby on Jan 22, 2014 at 01:48 PM

what? -_- i don't even know how to respond to that [cries in corner]. i never understood why the AAA developers thought it was pure genius to make guns that are terribly inaccurate, shoot slowly, and deal minimal damage, its like "why do you hate yourselves?". i really enjoyed bioshock infinite, and wish bungie could have done things differently. also for those who played halo 3, the ar was clearly more accurate than the smg.

also about t3h lag's video, now all the latino h4 maps can have floating forerunner weapons without the need for crappy new anims [laughs]

Soooo.... there gonna be a new MC biped?

In Halo 2, there was no assault rifle, because the assault rifle in Halo: Combat Evolved performed almost identically to the submachine gun introduced in H2. I don't think the SMG should be more accurate, though, considering how short its barrel is.

like to this guy

SMG is not so accurate because it's like a portable machine gun and also goes awry when used

Sorry, I should have clarified, our SMG resembles the H1 AR, not the later ones. It's a slightly more accurate Halo 1 AR with recoil.

only there will be a version of the SMG? because release TaR came out a secret version of the smg and I would be smg with/without silencer

The only other variant of the SMG is the Specops one.

Just throwing this out there, but has the team considered making a Halo-styled automatic or semi-automatic shotgun? Like the AA12 or Jackhammer. There is a definite overabundance of rifles in the Halo universe, but barely any love for shotguns. It could have greater accuracy, less damage, higher ROF to give it a tactical advantage and actually play a unique role in the weapons set.

Well there's the Mauler, which sort of fits this idea, but I forget whether or not CMT will be including it.

Well, we have the Brute PP with it's 3 round shot which is sort of like a shotgun. We've toyed with the though of doing a sawed off double barreled shotgun based on what SOI showed in his thread, and its in our roadmap of things to explore for Part 2 of campaign, but we haven't even prototyped anything for it with our existing content.

In theory, the thing would fire 60 pellets at once, and have to be reloaded after the shots are fired. It would be twice as inaccurate as the normal shotgun, and be able to pierce multiple flood targets while taking down any covenant target with one point blank blast.

In the end though, a shotgun is a shotgun, H4 didn't need too shotguns that were so similar, I doubt we ever will want that too.

thanks for clarifying about the SMG, faith in CMT restored. also if you're looking to make a shotgun variant, why not use something like the one from reach, 6 shot single mag tube and a tighter spread (more recoil due to the extended shells and only slightly more damage if u prefer). though to be honest i'd prefer a shotgun with a clip (like in vietnam) they don't make them like that anymore though because it was too practical (and because bumdashery).

An interesting idea, but 60 pellets is a bit ridiculous, unless you're using birdshot (which doesn't have any combat applications that I'm aware of). For comparison, a modern day 3" 12 gauge shell of 00 buckshot can hold fifteen pellets. The shotguns used in most of the Halo games are said to utilizing 3.5" 8 gauge shells, while the Halo 3 shotgun apparently uses 3.75" shells. This would give you a bit more capacity to work with, allowing for more pellets, but it would probably be closer to ~20 pellets, rather than 60.

If you did ever decide to follow through with introducing a sawn-off, double-barreled, break-action shotgun, I think the best way to do it would be to make it look like an older (by 2552 standards, at least), civilian weapon that one of the Marines brought along. Probably a one-off weapon; might even be something you could show Sergeant Johnson having, and you'd pick it up in the room where you find Jenkins's helmet recording.

or h2 pistol and mauler.

The regular shotgun shoots 30 pellets, up from the stock 15. Each does half the damage though, with this having 2 barrels, the plan is 60.

I don't really want to talk to much about it, as it is months away from even being used in a flood map, and there's no point working on it further than the concept with no real environment to test it in.

Everyone hopes to try the shotgun, or at least to see it in action once more.

maybe they should make a comparison it

and about the floods... is popped into my head that maybe as they were in halo were infected the odst and I was wondering if there will be more types of floods to see (carrier, sangheili, spider that makes you Tickle, and human marine/ODST)

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sounds good...
Edited by UHWArby on Jan 23, 2014 at 01:10 PM

Could you show me the fields you edited in those AI tags? I'd love to make a sneaky elite with an invisible energy sword.

Will their be a sprinting animation instead of just a speed boost and will the survivors be changed as in model.

I do not think that they can do that by the graphic engine

They've said in the past that they plan to update the spartan model.

They've said in the past that they plan to update most everything.

They've said in the past that they plan to update everything, then update it again, then completely redo it. Think the assault rifle, but on a global scale.

It helps to be accurate.

And by the end of all that. I would most likely be well in my 20's maybe in my early 30's! Then they will continue to remake the remakes of the remakes, and make SPV4 so that the number would be even! :)
(Seeing how they released something in 2011 and we still got nothing in 2014, the time span for them to finish this is about accurate. If they release something in 2014 that is. Not including SPV4 though, because that will increase the time of them before they quitting, meaning that i would be around my 40's when they finally conclude there epic remakes that will rival Crysis 4 or 5, but will still look like crap compared to games of that time of there retirement.)

in the future:
CMT SPV4 leaked:


(yeah CEA beta)

Our current biped still looks better than that.

Are you talking about the SPV 2/ A50 release one?

u think they will rip from this too?