Well thats the exact reason he needs good topology then. Otherwise his cage will be really messed up.

Can you tell if its good or not without a wireframe?
i cant but im not a great modeler by any means.

He posted a wireframe dude :|

You all act like a couple more thousand pollies will decimate a model. It doesn't matter. Chill out. Seriously, it's not like there aren't higher poly counted weapons that work okay in this community.

Nice model Hunter, although there are multiple wasted pollies on the stock extend and on the grip. Just thought I'd share that.
Edited by DarkHalo003 on Mar 29, 2009 at 09:17 PM

Oh yea, sorry never seen that wireframe.
Edited by Maniac1000 on Mar 29, 2009 at 09:29 PM

Seriously grunt, if people think BG mods are awesome, then let them mod BG.

I modded BG once... people cried.

Then I made a bad ass TC map pack in Halo CE.

It was pretty sweet.
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Mar 29, 2009 at 09:43 PM

To be honest all other communities are like this, if not worse. Right now it might not be a issue for you but later on you will see how important good topology is.

The same can be said about ripping models, but you seem to have a very strong opinion about that don't you? I would thank you to hop off your highchair and join us back here in humble town, I liked you better that way.

You should quit to crysis, I have both, and get more FPS in crysis than I do in halo. halo just isn't optimized for PC. And halo 2 never goes above 12Frames.
Edited by OrangeJuice on Mar 30, 2009 at 05:03 PM

Halo 2 runs at 37 fps for me.

Hey guise I get 60 fps locked in Halo 2 and Halo 1 OLOLOLLO
Both at max settings, and at a res of 1980x1800
Edited by Higuy on Mar 30, 2009 at 05:16 PM

Well woop-dee-doo for you mate. No I'm not jealous at all. Just because I'm running on 17 fps...

And I don't see why people care so much about poly distribution. Yes in organic models it is probably crucial, but if you are making low poly models for halo, who gives a flunk. It's not as if you are seeing the gun in wireframe as you play.

However Hunter, Wesman does have a good point. You hate ripping models with a passion because you feel that people doing it are too lazy to learn to model themselves, but that is the same as being too lazy to improve your modelling techniques. As far as I am concerned, nobody's modelling is perfect, so everyone should strive to improve. I'm not saying you have to take my, or anyone else's advice, but you should see the matter from another point of view.

Sign up for a crysis mod dev team then you will find out how to model and how good you think you are.



http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=62114




high res models are only like this because of good topology. If you continually reject our opinions you will never improve.

I'll get more pics of models that are only possible because of good topology if you wish. THere are thousands to millions of them.

Even on low poly models you want good topology.


Edited by Disaster on Mar 30, 2009 at 05:32 PM

SparrowHawk/Hawk in Crysis? cool.

Convert Sparrowhawk to CE plz? I'll learn to do it if you give me the model.lol.

cmt already did that brosef.

If I modeled that high poly, I would be shatin my pants. If crisis was anything like tool, then I'd shoot myself. The problem with high poly models, is there are so many places to go wrong with errors. The guns are fine, because it doesn't matter about errors..
Edited by Newbkilla on Mar 30, 2009 at 08:02 PM

They use the high poly models to bake onto the low poly models (with good topology) to generate a normals map and its generally this way for any next gen game. The errors can be avoided if you model with good topology and is why you want to have it.

Well I beg to differ.. Some errors cannot be prevented, from my experience.

And what's this baking normals thing?

you mix the normals with chocolate chips, 2 eggs, and a cup of milk. then throw it in the oven at 350 for 30 minutes. pull it out and cool for 5 minutes, and TADAAAA fresh baked normals. :)

its the process of rolling a joint, and having normals smoke it
tada the normals are now baked.

i lol'd

Baking is basically taking a model, like a normal poly one, and then adding a lot of detail. It doesn't matter if its separate objects or not.

Then you render that high detailed skin and texture it. From there it fools the person into thinking the first object is detailed.. when really its just a baked fake map. :P

Then instead of jumping down the throat of anyone who tries to help you improve, how about you listen to them.

Well you rejected the first step of it. Good topology. If you don't have that you will never get baking right.

You will have all sorts of wierd smoothing errors on the bake.
Edited by Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 at 04:18 PM

that baking normals thing is really awsome, so i can take (very super simple example) a disc or cube, make a second version with alot of stuff on it in detail(but still reatin shape) render the high poly one, and stick the texture/normal map on the low poly one?...any tuts, cause taht sou nds totally awsome :P

http://www.game-artist.net/forums/spotlight-articles/43-tutorial-introduction-normal-mapping.html
Really simple example but it gets alot more complex.

second attempt at a weapon model:
think a chaingun but more beefy!(think m134d[i think tahts the right number] thats mad...
design:
200round clip box
arm clasp thing(to help hold it)
two versions, reaglar bullets, and explosive rounds(the explosive one be more reddish). the explosive munitions one will spin at about 75% speed of normal rounds.
maybe be turned into a turrent as wll?
***note im still working on mpar. if anyone wants the model u can have it, just give me the credit at least for model/design :D

BTW! barrels are seperate from main body, adn so is box clip. so 3 parts. thats good right? tnx for any feedback. yall pros compared to me so its helpful :D
possible tweaks?
longer speration between barrels and body
open box clip,and some kind of motor system, istnead of those thngy at the top where u grip with one hand :P
Edited by Geared on Apr 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM

i think ur gu looks cool, but seems to have enough polys to amde for liek crysis or sumthing. im sur eu can reduce polys alot...(im not supporting either side, i hate fighting on forums lol)...but ja its cool...makes me think of a ump mixed with a halo gun iv seen(dont know where)

haha funny dude...except not

"it duz luk coolzz, needsz mor nuke luncherz. ad sum sorta liek robo arm relod ting man."


u be makin fun of my post m8....not cool not cool at all....lol

well I dont give a feck what you conformists say, im a fecking badass that goes by my own established rules! feck topology i went trough hell becuase only 1 girl likes me and i am going 2 be a famous interwebz halo mapper!

Always a fight about who is the best..Will this ever end?*Sigh*