What I'm saying is there's no comparison when you talk about hypothetical putting a controller-player vs a mouse-player - of course the mouse player will win. Aiming with a mouse is just more intuitive. The whole point is that the game plays differently on both platforms. On PC much of the metagame takes a backseat because the shooting is so much snappier. The community split because of the PC version's shortcomings. Halo Xbox was hosted in MLG back in 2004 and the PC version was already out. When it comes down to it, the console version's metagame evolution had a few years' head start on the PC version's. And the game has certainly been played competitively on a more consistent basis than on PC, with LANs across the US bringing together all the top players year after year.



Ok it was an assumption on my part. I may be out of touch in regards to who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't, usually it's the latter.



That all sounds lovely and I hope it works out, truly. But I haven't seen anything yet that suggests this stuff is possible. Then again, I don't know much about that stuff. If the game can finally break free of its network issues, well it's better late than never.



I'm not parroting the cries of borked netcode, I've been playing this game on PC since launch and I know exactly all about its issues. The console LAN experience is incredibly solid and the PC version was a missed opportunity to make that polished experience accessible to the masses. Instead of optimizing the netcode for broadband speeds (which would likely be very close to LAN), it's a known fact that they coded it so that it would still work with then-popular 56k connections. Compromises were made and the gameplay suffers from it. Again, the two communities grew apart because of this.



It's still not the same experience, even if you prefer the more accessible PC version. That's a matter of opinion. But saying that the game isn't played competitively at least on console is just wrong. There are still high-level games being played and recorded all the time, and the metagame is still evolving. Just because it's not being taken seriously on PC doesn't mean the console guys ever stopped.



I can't argue with that, and that's why I have a server for the PC version and play it regularly, along with MCC. I just have trouble taking these versions seriously because the gameplay is limited by netcode issues. Which is why I hold the Xbox version on a pedestal.

It still doesn't stop me from hosting the very same MLG gametypes and maps on my own server. I try to bring that play style to PC in my own way. But the vast majority of PC players seem to be turned off by the fact that players can actually use the tools at their disposal, including spamming grenades and using powerups and heavies. But I can't blame them - the two versions don't play the same way at all after over 10 years of evolving apart from each other.

I'd say that while most players in your typical scrim didn't bother, the ones at the higher levels of play did. There are a number of timer programs floating around from back in the end that were fairly popular.



I'm thankful that competitive PC players generally played 'no heavies' on smaller maps. Shame that didn't always apply to the FRG on larger maps too.

HAC2 actually has a timers with a team broadcast option but they were disabled before release. If anybody ever compiles it from source, there's a bonus feature.
Edited by Btcc22 on Nov 22, 2015 at 06:22 AM
Edited by Btcc22 on Nov 22, 2015 at 06:26 AM

I think broadcasting it through server console would be easier than digging through your code xD

I spent about 2 hours running around those mazes son, not going down that path unless it's absolutely necessary lol

Obligatory bump

I will discuss this project with SBB Mike to see if we can do a staggered release of the maps, since some are farther along than others. No promises.

Since these were originally made for and released on the OG Xbox, are you going to be including the remade Xbox HUD with it, or keeping it classic PC? (personal pref would be the Xbox)

My Xbox project is separate from the h1.5 map project. Again, I need to discuss with SBB Mike, but I assume that the h1.5 maps will release with the same tagset as Downrush & Zerohour.

That being said, I will be making Xbox versions of these maps, complete with Xbox health bar, removal of hit sound, active camo buff, etc. I'll make a thread about it when I have everything worked out, as I'm still looking into things and I don't want to make a WIP thread.

It's almost done. I made a beefy thread detailing all the fixes on Team Beyond, because it would be lost here: http://teambeyond.net/forum/topic/11775-current-state-of-halo-pc-the-xbox-experience/

I'm releasing the best stock maps' Xbox versions this weekend. Early builds are already available on my server (don't look at the IP in my avatar, I need to update it).

To anyone that is thinking of joining the Discord group: I'll ban you if you start spewing memes. It's for setting up matches on my server and discussion of the project. If you can respect that, you're welcome to join.
Edited by stunt_man on Jan 21, 2016 at 02:42 PM

Thanks for the video and for bringing my attention to the issue. I replied in the TB thread.

Projectile mechanics need simplifying.

Here is how a Russian would do it.


You shoot at Capitalist. Capitalist does not move. Capitalist is die.

You shoot at Laggy Capitalist. Laggy Capitalist does not move. Laggy Capitalist is alive but kicked by ze motherland server ping committee.

You shoot at Capitalist. Capitalist moves. Capitalist is alive still. Your family is imprisoned.


The end.

This is why I don't look to this forum for answers.

Hey, i would like to a see a deep tutorial about this to improve my maps

About spawn placement? Height measurement? Weapon time values? Ripping geometry?

All of the above?

I've never made tutorials before but I may consider it. These are concepts that any serious map maker should be made aware of...

I don't have much time until after I get my projects out the door, but when I go back to working on my own maps I'll see what I can do.

EDIT: For spawn placement at least check out http://halospawns.com/ in the meantime, there's a great write-up about the way the spawn system works.
Edited by stunt_man on Jan 29, 2016 at 12:55 PM

Thanks, i hope this works

Well, we now have Decidia and Doubletake ingame thanks to the "Good maps ya ****s" servers. I personally can't wait to play Leeve and Outbound.

Indeed you can catch them on my servers, but they are special Xbox versions (hit sound disabled, active camouflage buff, 4 starting grenades, etc). I am hosting these versions first to ensure there are no bugs that slipped by me, then I will release standard versions (same stock tagset with minor improvements - see Downrush_h1.5 and Zerohour_h1.5).

Xbox versions of Imminent and Levee were recently added, and more will come over the next few weeks. If you're a server host, feel free to use the maps, just keep in mind that 1) they are the xbox versions, 2) there may still be bugs, and 3) you will have to re-upload the final versions once they're released.

So I was just watching some Downrush vids and then I came across this. It's what looks like a beta version of Downrush, nothing majorly different, just more rocks, different weapon spawns, an extra ramp and river that got replaced by a small pond by the waterfall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_QmG4TKrXw

GOD that res is superb!

Original Xbox Master Race

Yeah someone (SBBMichelle?) posted that vid in our Discord group the other day, always interesting to see early builds of maps.

Here's an early version of Madhouse: https://youtu.be/8_h0F-Nt0TY

Test version (Xbox-style) of Hotbox should be available tonight or tomorrow on my servers, by the way. Madhouse will follow shortly afterwards.
Edited by stunt_man on Feb 29, 2016 at 04:55 PM

+5

Can't wait for Madhouse and Redshift. Really action packed maps, great on FFA too.

Sup m00kz,

As discussed in Discord, can't wait to see this in action. Would like to hear what other members of this board think of your theory (I'm not so well-informed when it comes to fancy tag work like this).

I've been inactive for the last couple weeks because I'm going through a move. Just got my PC plugged back in yesterday and can't wait to try some ideas that have been thrown my way. Lots of big plans coming soon guys.

Yup it works like a charm. Descope every time. Still need to test at high pings