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A multipurpose map has multiple purposes (woah, I know right?!), not JUST spec.
A multipurpose map HAS the specular information when you compile it, you're far better off just making the entire bitmap an actual decent multipurpose map.
And don't get any of these confused with normal maps, which are different things entirely.

E: Skipped Moses' post. -_-'
Edited by Spartan314 on Sep 15, 2014 at 01:40 AM

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Multipurpose maps serve "multiple" purposes. This is a quick rundown. They have nothing to do with normal maps.

A bitmap is composed of 3-4 channels, Red, Green, Blue, and Alpha. For Halo Custom Edition the color channels in multipurpose maps are used as follows:
Alpha: Color Change
Red: Detail
Green: Self illumination
Blue: Specular\Reflection

If you think of each channel as a black and white image with more color meaning more white and less color meaning more black then this will be easier to explain.

Alpha: The more white the alpha channel is the more the texture will be tinted whatever color it is being tinted. This is used on the player's character to change their color.

Red: You can apply a detail map to a model which will tile the detail map across the main texture(the base map). This can be used to add more tiny details to a texture without making it really high res. The more white the red channel the more the detail map will show up on that area of the texture.

Green: This one is simple, the more white in the green channel the more that area will glow whatever color you have the shader set to glow as.

Blue: Simple as well, the more white in the blue channel the more the reflection will show up on an area.

Take a look at the cyborg multipurpose map and you'll see how these work. ALSO, guerilla says that the channels are actually in a different order. DON'T LISTEN TO IT. Those are the order for Xbox multipurpose maps. I would know, I mod xbox and part of a tool I wrote has the specific purpose of swapping the channels to and from xbox and pc arrangement.

EDIT: Yes I understand you are using open sauce to add normals to your models and specular COLOR to the models, but a multipurpose map does FOUR OTHER THINGS as I have stated above.

Also, the specular COLOR in an open sauce model shader only allows you to change what COLOR the model is tinted when light reflects off it. You still NEED a multipurpose map to make it actually shiny.
Edited by MosesofEgypt on Sep 15, 2014 at 12:42 AM

I no all this .. but as I did say some things just don't need Multipurpose maps and some things do as well as making the map to big

now what is this

what map is this pic form

Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:34 AM

If its a biped, it almost definetely needs a multi.

If it's a biped it needs a multipurpose to change the color when you switch teams or change the color of your character. It also NEEDS A MULTIPURPOSE TO MAKE THAT SPECULAR COLOR MAP YOU APPLIED TO IT DO ANYTHING.

Look, if you're gonna act stubborn then you're not going to accept help when you really need it. I used to be exactly like you back when I was modding Halo in 2006, but I got over myself. I'm done trying to help you though, cause you already know everything. GL mate and let teh force be wit joo.

im not stubborn you just do not read a thing I say do you it dose not need a multipurpose map to change color when you switch teams or when change the color of your character... see that biped it's green and it's can go all the color's

this is what ill do as so not to start a WAR I put a new video showing you are way off
gave me a bit

here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UI5Ag_gDvg

the biped is using normal map as well as SPEC maps no multipurpose maps
however some things need multipurpose maps not all of the biped use multipurpose maps but you can see what is using os textures and what's using multipurpose maps

Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 08:37 PM

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im not stubborn you just do not read a thing I say do you it dose not need a multipurpose map to change color when you switch teams or when change the color of your character... see that biped it's green and it's can go all the color's

this is what ill do as so not to start a WAR I put a new video showing you are way off
gave me a bit

here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UI5Ag_gDvg

the biped is using normal map as well as SPEC maps no multipurpose maps
however some things need multipurpose maps not all of the biped use multipurpose maps but you can see what is using os textures and what's using multipurpose maps

Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 08:37 PM

No one said you can't have color change without multipurpose.

Your shaders could look so much better if you had multipurpose maps.
But no, you refuse to accept that multipurpose maps are necessary.

I could show you how good they could potentially look. If you think what you have looks good, they will be amazing with a multipurpose map.

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:57 PM

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no that is for MosesofEgypt if you read his post it say this could not be done

but if you think multipurpose are good then show me
but the point of this os stop some things form working all well all no..

but in the and I just don't have the space to add most of the multipurpose maps that I have taken out... I think this best way I can say it
Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 26, 2014 at 01:14 AM

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blah

here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UI5Ag_gDvg

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Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 08:37 PM

blah

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:57 PM

Do what you want. I can't change your decisions. All I can really do is try telling you some things.

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 26, 2014 at 01:46 AM

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blah

here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UI5Ag_gDvg

blah
Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 08:37 PM

blah

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:57 PM

Do what you want. I can't change your decisions. All I can really do is try telling you some things.

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 26, 2014 at 01:46 AM

I would like to see some awesome shader work, please show, I am bored and prnhub is down.

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blah

here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UI5Ag_gDvg

blah
Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 08:37 PM

blah

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:57 PM

Do what you want. I can't change your decisions. All I can really do is try telling you some things.

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 26, 2014 at 01:46 AM

I would like to see some awesome shader work, please show, I am bored and prnhub is down.

here is a update

prnhub is down nooooooooooooooo ...haha naa im kiding

Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 26, 2014 at 07:19 AM

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blah

here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UI5Ag_gDvg

blah
Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 08:37 PM

blah

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:57 PM

Do what you want. I can't change your decisions. All I can really do is try telling you some things.

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 26, 2014 at 01:46 AM

I would like to see some awesome shader work, please show, I am bored and prnhub is down.

here is a update http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/doom8999/bimerife_zps49b4fca4.jpg

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/doom8999/os_zpsbea85ac8.jpg

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/doom8999/neer_zpsff1e8504.jpg
prnhub is down nooooooooooooooo ...haha naa im kiding

Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 26, 2014 at 07:19 AM

Add a detail map in your shader env to that floor.

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blah

here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UI5Ag_gDvg

blah
Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 15, 2014 at 08:37 PM

blah

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:57 PM

Do what you want. I can't change your decisions. All I can really do is try telling you some things.

Edited by Dumb AI on Sep 26, 2014 at 01:46 AM

I would like to see some awesome shader work, please show, I am bored and prnhub is down.

Add a detail map in your shader env to that floor.

there is a detail map in the ground shader environment do you mean put a better one in it? ... I would love to put a normal map in it but I cant

and the biped will not the look same even if you die you will get a new look
and IM just testing some normal maps so the next update will be better

and im thinking of making a new test map
Edited by DOOM899 on Sep 27, 2014 at 07:32 PM

Hamana hamana hamana BONER.

it has been some time. but now im back in to working on halo ce
so im a min you well get a update

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Did you start using multipurpose maps?

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Did you start using multipurpose maps?

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Did you start using multipurpose maps?

im not using them I don t see it as a big deal so stop making it big deal of it.. man now the update I was working on how too get the textures too look good using os just os and if I don't need multipurpose maps im testing and so far multipurpose maps looks bad on 16bit textures as multipurpose maps 4bit
so here is what I was working on

ok the 1st pic is of the gun as the biped had the fix for something I did off

so

Just asking, but do you realize that the reason the rubber parts on your spartans are being tinted green/red/yellow is because they don't have a color change map? If you want to make the rubber not be the same color as their armor you can use a multi with a color change channel to mask off the rubber.

Understand that we have been a part of this community for far longer than you and if we try to offer advice then you should at least consider what we are saying. I've been modding Halo CE since 2006 so I've got about 8-9 years of this under my belt.

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Just asking, but do you realize that the reason the rubber parts on your spartans are being tinted green/red/yellow is because they don't have a color change map? If you want to make the rubber not be the same color as their armor you can use a multi with a color change channel to mask off the rubber.

Understand that we have been a part of this community for far longer than you and if we try to offer advice then you should at least consider what we are saying. I've been modding Halo CE since 2006 so I've got about 8-9 years of this under my belt.

yes thanks for the info. but yeah the 1st pic has tinted too red for the rubber
I hoping too keep it:/ as for the 2nd and 3rd pic had the fix;\ I don t no do you like the look?
so im going to test all the colors too see if this looks good or bad

Edited by DOOM899 on Dec 3, 2014 at 06:16 PM

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. I mean this with no disrespect, but is english your native language?

Also, I've never been a fan of the undersuits being colored. I've always thought Halo 4's undersuit coloring was fugly and if I were to ever play it I would keep it a default gray.

If you want an EASY way to control how much color goes where on your spartans then use a multipurpose texture with an alpha channel. Here's the original spartan as an example.

See how only the armor parts are white and everything else is black? The more white you make an area the more that area will be colored.

Multipurpose maps do other stuff too. You see how the bottom left half of the spartan's back has more detail than the rest?

That's because it uses a multipurpose that only applies the crusty metal detail to where there is red. The more red, the more the detail shows up.

Blue controls how shiny an area is and green controls how much it glows.
Edited by MosesofEgypt on Dec 3, 2014 at 06:18 PM

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I'm not quite sure what you are asking. I mean this with no disrespect, but is english your native language?

Also, I've never been a fan of the undersuits being colored. I've always thought Halo 4's undersuit coloring was fugly and if I were to ever play it I would keep it a default gray.

If you want an EASY way to control how much color goes where on your spartans then use a multipurpose texture with an alpha channel. Here's the original spartan as an example.

http://s7.postimg.org/r0wfbbwp7/test.png

See how only the armor parts are white and everything else is black? The more white you make an area the more that area will be colored.

Multipurpose maps do other stuff too. You see how the bottom left half of the spartan's back has more detail than the rest?

http://s8.postimg.org/tk6lnol2t/cyborg_test.jpg

That's because it uses a multipurpose that only applies the crusty metal detail to where there is red. The more red, the more the detail shows up.

http://s17.postimg.org/oo6ljautr/multi_red.jpg
Edited by MosesofEgypt on Dec 3, 2014 at 06:17 PM

sorry about the spelling part you can pm me about it?
ok so this look nice but what I was asking is if it looks good or if you like it\
2nd I can take it off and not need a multipurpose map if you lot don t like it
3rd thanks for the info that will help for the things Im making for the next map
Edited by DOOM899 on Dec 3, 2014 at 06:27 PM

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Did you start using multipurpose maps?

Aussies + fosters + halomaps.org = incomprehension

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Aussies + fosters + halomaps.org = incomprehension

man that's cold how dare you just be cuz im Aussies man what racism;{. just for not doing what it your way
and yes MosesofEgypt ill see if I can take the tint off
Edited by DOOM899 on Dec 4, 2014 at 05:21 AM

Looks great ! Keep up the good work

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Looks great ! Keep up the good work

omg bourrin posted i must nao post about hao his so unoriginal and neva maeks tags from scratch and keeps on ripping

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Looks great ! Keep up the good work

omg bourrin posted i must nao post about hao his so unoriginal and neva maeks tags from scratch and keeps on ripping

http://www.wallpaperhdworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/monkey-thinking-hd-wallpapers.jpg

for a start these are a port that zteam did 2nd I don t need to rip..

bourrin33 thanks is good to here something nice

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Looks great ! Keep up the good work

for a start these are a port that zteam did 2nd I don t need to rip..

bourrin33 thanks is good to here something nice

You're welcome ! Your persistence will pay

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Looks great ! Keep up the good work

for a start these are a port that zteam did 2nd I don t need to rip..

bourrin33 thanks is good to here something nice

You're welcome ! Your persistence will pay

yes it will
o did you see the biped in the back he didn t have the tint form looking at the old halo 3 form xbox there is not tint so ill have too take it off