@Kozaku

Okay, so let me get this straight, you are perfectly okay with 343 significantly altering the designs of weapons and other vehicles, but for some reason the design of the frigates can't be altered?

I concede that the design has changed, but still is there something so sacred about the forward unto dawns design that dictates that it cannot be changed?

Why didn't they just make a short movie instead of a live action series?
Look,there're limits for change like that.A ship that has been drifting in space for 3 years isn't going to miraculously change it's shape and design.
Edited by Dumb AI on Aug 17, 2012 at 04:12 PM

consistency? having a somewhat consistent style throughout the game would be nice. I mean even the assualt rifles still look very similar, along with pistols, pr, pp, etc... they didnt really change much on those, but the FOD ship looks radically different.

The designs aren't altered, they're NEW weapons NOT seen in Halo 3.
The Forward Unto Dawn IS seen in H3 - How can it be different in H4?

This is really not that hard to understand.

Don't even start with the condescending tone there buddy, you seem to be forgetting the massive redesigns on weapons like the shotgun and battlerifle, redesigns that had people foaming at the mouth when the first little previews of the weapons came out months ago.

The bottom line is this, regardless of the changes in design, its still the same ship, that was melted in half in Halo 3 regardless of how it looks. 343 saw fit to redesign it, and in the spirit of making Halo 4 have an art style that is unique to them, instead of re-treading what bungie did, I applaud their efforts. If that takes ignoring aesthetic changes, then so be it. If you really can't get past the fact that they are making the designs their own for their own set of games, then you are incredibly short sighted.

P.S. Also, great job overlooking the fact that the Chiefs armor has been completely changed down to pretty much every nook and cranny (Yes I know cortana made modifications, but she doesn't have a physical form with a plasma cutter/welding torch and a bunch of titanium alloy plates lying around to make massive changes to his form whilst he sleeps away in his cryo chamber. If you are going to get nit picky about aesthetic changes...)
Edited by Bobblehob on Aug 18, 2012 at 02:52 AM
Edited by Bobblehob on Aug 18, 2012 at 02:58 AM

I'm not trying to be condescending - This is a discussion where I'm trying to make you see my point of view.
The weapon redesigns are totally irrelevant due to the fact they are not the same weapon. In H3 the BR55 HB SR is used while in H4 the BR85 HB SR is used. These changes are justified and I am fine with them. The frigate (and yes chief's armor) are not justified however.

You are incredibly short sighted if you can't understand the concept of something looking the same after it has already been seen.

Well, then drop the condescending tone and we wont have a problem :)

First off, you would be best to wait until the game comes out before you make the decision that they haven't justified a change in design in either of those areas, specifically the frigate(and the chiefs armor to a lesser degree).

But regardless, I understand your point of view, I understand that you expect them to emulate the bungie design because to you that represents continuity. In the end it is a question of whether or not they as a different company want to be tied by the exact designs that Bungie left behind, or if they want to come in to the series that they now own, and make it their own. From what is visible so far the ship went through a pretty massive visual overhaul, but even then I can recognize portions of it from the old design. I would be more concerned if it was a completely different design that did not incorporate any of the design of the old.

you think that's bad? you should see the new storm jackals

horrid

in the face they look like locust (grenadier elite imo) from gears of war, but then again, so do the grunts
Edited by Delicon20 on Aug 18, 2012 at 01:24 PM

Ooooooh, my mistake. I was thinking of Infinity, that's why I was so confused.

Hey guys, her'es a better look at the Forward Unto Dawn redesign as a whole.



It's like they took what was there and mixed it with a crocodile, and made it have a tiny hangar area.

Didn't the Dawn break apart? I thought Chief was only on a piece of the ship.

Yes, it was cut in half by the portal, one half with the Arbiter in it made it back to Earth, and the other with the Chief and Cortana was shot out into space. 343 redesigned the frigates, so what you see there looks odd, its just the back end of the ship that the chief was in, but the design change has made it more difficult to recognize.

FTFY

i believe in the books, he always had one. it isn't the kind where you shoot off the ground and fly, it's the kind of jetpack that's supposed to give just enough force to move through space, which would explain why we've never seen it (because the chief never had a reason to move through space quickly).

No need to move that quickly.Just use the laws of physics(that apply in space) to your advantage.

Agreed. I saw a comic (which was then animated by a person on youtube) where a female spartan was descending from space to a (desert?) and im pretty sure she used a "jetpack" to properly land... I think? I'm not THAT sure since I last saw this like 2 or 3 years ago.

Just a quick question...

What is this and will somebody make it?

the warthog or the mammoth?
CMT is making a warthog called the puma thats similar to the M12 FAV but the mammoth
i just dont know maybe look around.

personally i think 343 might ruin the series all together 343 hired OTHER musical composers other than martin and micheal they might have been removed from the game all together.
they changed the APPEARENCE of the dawn.
honestly if they had BRAINS in the head they would keep the old and introduce the new other wise introducing the new already. its like the future you came back and asked you what the weather would be like tomorrow. i could go about this endlessly but im on the other side of the world so for me its midnight so goodnight and farewell

Marty is with Bungie. They couldn't get him

This.

Plus, I think Marty was starting to get a bit lazy when he did the music for Halo Reach. There's no music piece in there that "sticks" for me like certain pieces from the other Bungie Halo games.

I think Neil Davidge may be able to make it feel fresh. I loved the music that I heard in the most recent ViDoc/trailer, while some of the music may be a bit too orchestra-ey, I think the grinding beats make up for it. We will just have to wait and see when it comes out.

i agree if you notice on the sountrack one particular track is a combination of two or three pieces the beginning sounds like earth city the rest sounds like halo one main theme
the piece is called tip of the spear.
the music devils.....monsters is one of the greats. it is one of my most favourite themes
in music
Edited by john117 on Aug 23, 2012 at 09:41 AM