So I am making a firefight map that I will release to the public hopefully. However, I am making it in the multiplayer format.

Why:
1. I like multiplayer format better than sp format
2. You can respawn
3. Easier to make
4. Possibly allow different Slayer variants to be played

The map will only be playable in Slayer. I hope however to still allow gametypes such as Classic Snipers, Classic Slayer, etc. which would allow the player to play firefight with snipers as starting weapons for example.

I hope to put 20 waves of Covenant goodness. And will include crappy spirit dropships to drop enemies and maybe even vehicles.

The player will also have spartan AI as allies, and the map will have custom weapons.

Do you guys have a problem with it being a multiplayer map? All of the other firefight maps are sp, but I want to make this one mp. Just wondering if the community has major problems with a multiplayer firefight map?

A multi-player format firefight wouldn't work because:

1) AI don't sync online.

2) multi-player maps have a much lower tagspace limit.

3) I'm pretty sure that most scripts that work in single-player wouldn't work in multi-player

Yes, I know that AI don't sync online, and yes have a lower tagspace limit, and it seems like some of the sp scripts will not work.

However, of course the main ones that I am using will work

for example
(ai_place)
(ai_magically_see player)
(object_create)
(object_destroy)
(cinematic_start)
, although i don't think hud messages will work, but that's fine
(i could just use sv_say or not use hud messages)

I'm talking about do people want sp format instead of mp format? because i personally like mp. (i hate loading maps with console, it's awkward)

MP was made for MULTIPLE PLAYERS, SP was made for SINGLE PLAYER, hence their naming conventions. Thus, a map made for a single player on a multiplayer format cannot end well. You'll be heavily limited by scripting and such.

Well, but there are lots of "bloodgulch variants with ai bots," out there, take The Great War for example. They work, though they don't have scripting, but just about all of the scripts that i want to use work in mp. So basically, just an sp map that you load as a Slayer map, that's all, but plays exactly like an sp map.

You just stated the reason why we hate mp maps with bots.
Edited by IcePhoenix on Jan 14, 2011 at 03:40 AM

Well I'd rather play with people using GuiltySpark than pure aimbotters. At least they're silent once in a while.

This is precisely what I despise. If it's played "exactly" like an SP map, why limit yourself? Why not just make it an SP map? It'd be much easier to script and such...

Everything done in MP can be done 10x better in SP. Make it a SP map.

sure is opinions in this post

people, if he wants to make it that way, let him. its his decision. instead tell him what you think should be put in the firefight.

Not really. The menus you gave me worked flawlessly, and the naming of the map can be hexed. Postponing reasons are due to many other life-related issues.

If you want I can send you my loadouts script, it's a bit easier to implement than mooseguy's.

Eh? For what hes trying to do (A Firefight), then yes sp would dominate mp in this. Not sure how its an opinion, its a proven fact that single player type things work better in well, single player.

Well, this is going to be my first firefight release to halomaps. This is actually like my fourth time remaking a firefight on the map, because I had a ton of fatal crashes thanks to trying to put ASP tags in for some reason. I decided to give the map up and say "ah whatever," but I'm back, and redesigned the map, and am ready to make an awesome firefight like Bungie!!!

So anyways, to the point.
Perhaps I should make an mp firefight beta to send out on e-mail or something. Because everyone else has made sp firefight, but in my frustrating early attempts at making a firefight, mp seemed to work great. Do you guys think that's a good idea?

Whatever you find to work best for your map design.

You can respawn in sp maps.

And how would you script that?

I think he meant to be smart and actually meant that certain MP things cannot be replicated in SP, such as the obvious no more than one player :P

Ur gonna need tool++ to make it decent on mp. But i would go with sp cos u can use better tags and do more things without having to worry about the very limited tag space in mp. Just get Mooseguy to help you out with the life script.

Why would anyone ever "need" tool++, it's buggy, unstable, and unreliable. Just use regular tool. Or were you referring to using the HEK+ to rip BSPs?

Search is your friend.

U'd need tool++ if you go over the tag limit

Believe it or not, it seems I will be able to add a ton of actor variants and a lot of stuff, the tags are unusually small:D

(script continuous life_lost
(set cheat_deathless_player true)
(sleep_until (<= (unit_get_health (unit (list_get (players) 0))) 0.01) 1)
(player_enable_input false)
(fade_out 1 0 0 60)
(sleep 60)
(set lives (- lives 1))
(object_teleport (unit (list_get (players) 0)) hide)
(fade_in 0 0 0 60)
(set load_available true)
(sleep_until (= load_available false))
(object_teleport (unit (list_get (players) 0)) spawn)
(object_create_anew skull)
(object_teleport skull spawn)
(player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) ball false)
(sleep 30)
(player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) none true)
(sleep 30)
(if (= loadout 0) (player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) loadout1 true))
(if (= loadout 1) (player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) loadout2 true))
(object_create_anew skull)
(fade_in 0 0 0 60)
(player_enable_input true)
(sleep 10)
(object_create_anew skull)
)


(script continuous gameover
(if (= lives 0) (game_lost))
)

(global short lives 7)

Ignor the stuff about loadouts.

Alright, well what I'm worried about for making it MP format is how the player will select the map. (I'm totally fine with the tagsize limit, I have a lot of extra space despite having added pretty much all of my bipeds, weapons, etc.) Because the thing is that if I make it MP, then if the player plays it on oh say, "Classic Rockets," then none of the covenant will have weapons. That's a problem. Also there will be time limits, unlimited lives. etc... Could I script these out???????? Anybody really good at scripting who can help????????

Xoronatus

I doubt the covenants weapons would be affected.

Well if u have the lives script, why not make it sp?

But it seems that using the lives script, you would have awkward fading in and out.

I just came up with a great idea, I like multiplayer, so for my own personal use, I'll have a mp version for me on my computer, but I will release an sp format one like everybody is used to. :D (duh) Alright, so about that lives script?
Edited by Xoronatus on Jan 21, 2011 at 08:26 PM

I had an idea for the retarded fade. Spawn a biped, attach it to the player, detach it from the player set the camera offset to the biped, kill the biped meanwhil teleport the player away to the starting location. Then it would look like you died. Then fade out and fade back in again as the player. Might take too long tho

And i don't really get the lives script. The command at the very end isn't part of a script. Its a stand alone command: (global short lives 7)

Also i'm not sure what to cut out to make it suit my firefights and other peoples firefights (without the loadouts is what i mean) but i'm not sure what stuff about the loadouts to keep in the script

Although, if worst comes to worst, the easiest method would just be having only 1 life like in most of the firefight maps that are out there, but I would just scale the difficulty and do some stuff to make it less likely that the player will get pwned.

Hello out there
Anyways, it'll just be a first firefight, so it will be somewhat simple (not actually lolz)
Edited by Xoronatus on Jan 25, 2011 at 01:41 AM
Edited by Xoronatus on Jan 25, 2011 at 01:45 AM

I'm actually starting to think mp might be allright apart from the size limit cos u don't have to worry about the lives. If u do an mp and sp version, could i have an mp?

sure, in my opinion mp is easier, but for the release to everybody im gonna have to make it sp, it would be way too confusing for people otherwise.

Here's my attempt at fixing the script to make it without the fading thing so that when you die and respawn, it is like it would be in multiplayer.

(script continuous life_lost
(sleep_until (<= (unit_get_health (unit (list_get (players) 0))) 0.01) 1)
(sleep 60)
(set lives (- lives 1))
(object_teleport (unit (list_get (players) 0)) hide)
(set load_available true)
(sleep_until (= load_available false))
(object_teleport (unit (list_get (players) 0)) spawn)
(object_create_anew skull)
(object_teleport skull spawn)
(player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) ball false)
(sleep 30)
(player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) none true)
(sleep 30)
(if (= loadout 0) (player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) loadout1 true))
(if (= loadout 1) (player_add_equipment (unit (list_get (players) 0)) loadout2 true))
(player_enable_input true)
(sleep 10)
)
(script continuous gameover
(if (= lives 0) (game_lost))
)
(global short lives 7)
Edited by Xoronatus on Jan 25, 2011 at 06:58 PM

cool mooose explained that you have to mod the skull to not have an fp animation and stuff so it looks like u spawn with no weapon then u draw ur primary. Thats the part i didn't understand

This really never worked before and i wont be suprised if it dosen't work again, But hey i'm always up for new projects go for it.

I really didn't like gephy firefight but then again that had crappy tags and stupid stuff