so like the tittle suggets what is the max number of weapons you can have in a map? is their a limit?



edit: the topic of having 78 different weapon/vehicle tags has been moved to here http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm%3Fpage=topic&topicID=32376
Edited by leyuen on Jun 16, 2010 at 03:29 PM

there really no limit... but you can only have so much tag space.. just keep it balanced

If you have let's say, an assault rifle. You can add that same specific assault rifle as many times as you wish (i think the rendering limit is 200+) but if you want to add many different weapons, you will find yourself being subdued by tool and it's tagspace limit.

im saying different kinds of weapons like custom weapons.

no limit except tagspace.

tagspace?

Self-explanatory.

a map cant be any bigger than what, 120 MB? 160 MB? otherwise tool wont compile it. so the more different kinds of weapons you have, the closer it gets to the maximum map size limit

Actually... you haven't played the unfinished SPv2 yet, have you? B40 was 349 MB.

Let me explain. Tagspsace is, like we said, the amount of tags that you can put into a map. But there are some things you might want to remember. These are, however, in my own experience.

1. When you put in, say, a Wraith, and place say, 5, those 5 don't contribute much to tagspace. They just make the .scenario file a little larger. This is because you are just placing more instances of one tag.

2. When you add the same tag twice, because with my PC it has a delay when you click the "add' button and when it actually appears on the list, and you click it a second time because it isn't there yet, that, from my knowledge, adds up to tagspace. Regardless of what the tag is, even if they're exactly the same, it will count as two separate tags. Though, if they're in the same directory, and have the same name, that's different.

3. Save it up, don't put one Scarab that you want to rampage through the city with its main gun, and put in another Scarab tag that would fire at you with its secondary gun. Just make the Scarab's weapon have a primary and secondary trigger and projectile. This is obvious enough.

singleplayer. dir.

i was talking about multiplayer maps, which he is probably making.

If i remember right tag space in sp maps scaled with the size of the bsp's

Tool_pro has no tagspace limit

so does vehicles count as the tagspace? and if so what else counts as tagspace?

does doors, teleporters, portable turrets, breakable object that are found in halomaps.org for download are tags?
Edited by leyuen on Jun 12, 2010 at 05:35 PM

everything counts as tagspace. every file that makes the map has some size, so it counts as tagspace. some arent very big, some are huge.

so lets say i wanted to put 42 different kind of weapons/vehicles tags into bloodgulch. out of the 42 tags only 28 tags are weapon and rest, 14, are vehicles. will this work or is it too many tags?

that will work just matters how much mb the tag is.... also your gonna have to script 8 of those vehicles

ok i been doing some thinking and some research so now their have been some changes to the tags i want to put into my map im going to make, their are a tottal of 78 tags which for now is not final... might change depending on how halo community is willing to let me use their tags or how halo reach gonna turn out and the halo reach stuff people are trying to recreate for CE gonna turn out.

also i know some of the tags i listed have not been created yet or has been created but not released yet... i would be asking the halo community if i can borrow their tags or if they could create it for me, and those who would help would be given their credits

all these tags will be placed into bloodgulch... but blood gulch would be a bit larger and two extra bases would be included behind the orginal bases and maybe a bridge like narrows would be added and some water. and if i change my mind the map would notbe on be on blood gulch

first off here are a list of weapons i am going to try to get into the game, their are a tottal 39 tags for weapons:
H1 Assault rifle, H3 assault rifle, and maybe Halo Reach Assault Rifle
H1 Pistol, H3 Pistol, H3ODST silent Pistol, and maybe Halo Reach Assault Rifle
H3 sniper, and maybe Halo Reach sniper
H1 shotgun, H3 shotgun, and Halo Reach Shotgun (shotgun might turn out to be only H3 and halo reach shotguns)
H3 plasma rifle
H3 brute plasma rifle
H1 needler, H3 needler
H1 Rocket launcher, H2 Rocket launcher, H3 Rocket launcher, Halo Reach Rocket launcher
H1 Fuel rod, H3 fuel rod
H1 flame thrower, H2 flame thrower, H3 flame thrower
H2 battle rifle, H3 battle rifle, Halo reach battle rifle
H3 SMG H3 ODST silent pistol
H3 plasma pistol
H3 spartan laser
H3 energy sword
H3 carbine
H3 gravity hammer
H3 brute shot (spiker)
H3 brute grenade launcher
H3 mauler
H3 sentinel beam

second is the vehicles which has a tottal number of tag of 16:
H1 Rocket Warthog (destroyable), and maybe halo reach rocket warthog
H3 chain gun warthog
H3 Gauss warthog
H3 elephant
H3 hornet
H1 scorpion, H3 scorpion
H3 mongoose
H3 banshee
H3 ghost
H1 wraith, H3 wraith
H3 Anti air wraith
H3 brute chopper
H3 brute prowler

third is gernades their is a tottal of 5 different gernades tags, but i dont know if u can hold up more than 2 kinds of gernades might change depending on how many different kind of gernades you can hold:
H3 frag grenade
H3 plasma grenade
H3 spike grenade
H3 incendiary grenade
H3 trip mine

next are the stationary turrets their are about 6 different kind of tags for the turrets, which might change depending if i can find someone who can make it detachable for me:
H1 Shade, H2 shade, H3 shade
H2 machine gun turret, H3 machine gun turret
H3 missile pod

and then their are 5 equipment tags:
H3 bubble shield
H3 deployable shield
H3 portable grav lift
H3 power drain
H3 regenerator

and then the powerups and so on stuff, their are a tottal of 7:
H1 over shield, H3 over shield
H1 camouflage, H3 camouflage
H1 health pack, H3 ODST health pack, and maybe halo Reach health packs
Edited by leyuen on Jun 15, 2010 at 06:42 PM
Edited by leyuen on Jun 15, 2010 at 06:43 PM
Edited by leyuen on Jun 15, 2010 at 06:52 PM

OH GOD NO!

This.

its gonna be a mismash of all halo1, some what halo2, halo 3, MP/Sp maps but gonna be placed in bloodgulch... plus im gonna try to put halo1, halo2, halo3, halo 3ODSt, and halo reach armor including the armor abilities which will retain the original huds

^This. Don't do bloodgulch,we have ENOUGH bloodgulch mods.
Do something like timberland,deathisland,or dangercanyon.
You only can have 2 types of grenades.
Edit: Hmmm....this might work,then again,might not.
Edited by FtDSpartn on Jun 15, 2010 at 07:39 PM

im only using blood gulch because their is a lot of open space and not alot of stuff blocking the way... but most of the stuff u c in blood guclch wont be their... like the two basess would be gone and then stuff from other official halo maps would be put into the map

I HIGHLY DOUBT THIS WILL WORK WITHOUT USING TOOL PRO, other impossibilities aside, such as decent armor abilities and getting your hands on Reach weapons...

or if you optimized every bitmap to 128x128 or something.

Plz don't use Bloodgulch. Use infinity or something. It has lots of open space.

Bloodgulch mods make me :'(

dont worry... im just using bloodgulch as a test map first... the one im gonna release is not gonna be in bloodgulch.... i first need to see if i can add all those 78 tags and other stuff into one map first

Edit: can someone suggest a small map where its open space where i can put 78 different tags into it for testing? and can someone do it for me, because i never made a map or put tags into a map before.. please and thank you.

Edited by leyuen on Jun 15, 2010 at 09:59 PM

well once you have removed the bases can you send me the BSP? cause the bases arent scenery you have to remove them manually

yea that would be a problem... as of rite now... im looking for people to help me do that.... cuz this is my first time fiddling with maps.. or moding.

Read my post...

i have but im still gonna try it by asking very skilled modders from the halo community to try doing it for me. if i could actually find someone to do this for me , if not the project would be dropped, because i just started to fiddle with modding maps... 5 days ago so i dont have any skills rite now
Edited by leyuen on Jun 16, 2010 at 03:02 PM


edit: the topic of having 78 different weapon/vehicle tags has been moved to here http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm%3Fpage=topic&topicID=32376
Edited by leyuen on Jun 16, 2010 at 03:30 PM