well? wat can i say? u people r sooooo poor having to buy windows vista just for halo 2! i cant do this without your help, but if youre interested, please help me create a compatibility fix for windows XP... PLEASE!!!! IM DESPERATE!!!!

i would help but im to busy rigt now!

Vista is just an excuse to try and squeeze more money out of the consumer. I know that when H2 comes out and if it's only for vista i won't be buying it for awhile. I did not buy HALO till after it had been out for many months.

Change is hard to deal with but inevitable nonetheless so deal with it. People said the exact same thing about Windows back in the days we used DOS and CPM to run computers. Sheese, I would think that you guys would be chomping at the bit to play with a new operating system. By this time next year Vista will be the operating system of choice.

yea and who says you have to go Vista right away just to play H2. Hell i am going to wait till H2 is cheeper i am in no hurry to play H2 as their are plently of games i still want to play before playing H2.

i would never buy vista or a new operating system for 1 game, it's just not worth it. Halo is a good game but honestly all the hype of h2 coming to PC does not got me excited about H2. There are other games i would play over H2.

will u have h2 campaign in it?and all this things that u can do in h2?like whenn hog is blowing and small details?

yes!so will anything be done?

trying to make a total conversion of HALO CE into HALO 2 is not an easy undertaking. It might be possible but H2 could be out before the conversion could be compleated. There is going to be a HEK for H2 PC and i expect it might actually be a little easier. infact i think their might not be a H2 CE, i think H2 will just be able to be edited. One can't know this early in the game but that is my take on what they are making.

Don't u think that would be kinda hard and take along time to make a fix for Windows XP?
i mean really? your gonna take all your time and make a fix for xp...I just don't see it happening

i can!nothing is impossible!

It's all depends on what their business goals are. It can't be denied that H2 would make more profit and revenu if it would also work for XP and Vista. there are alot of people that will either not be able to afford to buy vista or are unwilling to buy vista when it comes out. I myself am unwilling to buy vista right away as i can't justify spending the cash just to play H2 PC. My mind will only change if others games will be comeing out that i want to play. There are also lots of games i still want to play for XP.

If their goal is not so much of profit and more on getting people to go Vista they will keep H2 Vista only. In some cases business are willing to scarifice more profit for the next innovation. I think that is the case I think thats why H2 may stay vista only.

Vista is an operating system so no you would not have to buy a new computer. At least i did not when i went from windown 2000 to XP.

i highly doubt Vista will be free. You will probably have to spend some money to buy Vista.

Im just going to get a pc sometime in the nest year, to me the Halo 2 story line is rather awful. I was using a 95 pc befpre i got this one 4 years ago =P. I am only excited about the physics annd the rendering capabilities in halo 2 pc, which should prove to be nothing less than awsome.

H2 would be fun to play, i would like to learn more of the storyline but i am in no hurry to play it. For now Halo CE is good enough for me..some of the custom content some of the HALO CE community has created is really quite awesome.

eventually i will probably have to upgrade to Vista but i won't be buying a new computer just for it. Right now i am happy with my Dimension 4700.

Halo is a great game and H2 will be good as well but right now there is plently of games i still want to play on XP. Starwars battlefront 2 is one of them

I need to get a new PC, neither my desktop or laptop has HW T&L capability.

i could see that being a problem.

i however doubt i will have to get a new PC.

i am glad that my compy will run vista just fine when i choose to upgrade to vista after it comes out and drops in price.

That will take awhile, Remeber what happened when XP came out? The shelves seemed somehow empty of the product for how many weeks? They sell fast.

see i don't care when i get vista..i am in no hurry to upgrade to a new operating system.

I would upgrade my PC only when i see a reason too, there are going to have to be more games coming out for me to go Vista. So far i have seen nothing exciteing other than H2.

$200 is kind of alot but eventually people will have no choice but to get Vista if they want to play the latest games.

damn microsoft and all their upgrades

So, what would be the "better" deal in the long run, upgrading to vista on my current pc, or getting a new pc altogether with vista already installed?

it would not infrenge if he made everything from scratch...everything that would mean cut scenes, weapons, every single multiplayer and single played map. If every thing was done from scratch it would not infrienge upon copyright laws what so ever.

But trying to make a HALO 2 CE from scratch is highly unrealistic...i do not think it's possible.

Bacon this is a very huge difference here that you have not considered. True if someone made a replica of Windows Vista it would be illegal; however, Halo is a bit different...because of Bungie's and Microsoft decision to release the HEK and Halo CE.

When Bungie and Microsoft made windows CE they are giving people the rights to make custom content. Thus anyone making custom content has freedom to create whatever they wish. If someone recreated in HALO CE every Halo 2 map and single player level it would be totally within law. As long as someone wasn't somehow riping content from the Xbox Halo 2 they could do so without legal action being taken against them. As long as you were not getting money from recreating H2 content on Halo CE nothing would hold up in court.

If everything was recreated from scratch the person would be doing a legal act.

This is a true statement (assuming you meant Halo CE)
However this assumption does not necessarily follow and in fact, legally it does not. Although you are licensed to create custom content Bungie and Microsoft holds ALL THE RIGHTS to every bit of Intellectual property for the Halo game including the images, likeness, play, features or more simply everything and anything created from the licensed software game or editing kit. The determination to exercise those rights or control is at Bungie's and Microsoft's discretion.
They would not. As I said above MS/Bungie holds ALL rights to the Halo Game and or likeness.
This is also incorrect and your assumptions are founded on an mistake in understanding Intellectual property laws.

I don’t claim to be an expert in IP (Intellectual Property) legislation but my company's law firm is. Before I started these websites I conferred with them on the possible liability over hosting other people's content and although it would seem that you would have control over your Halo CE maps tags and machinima, legally Bungie/MS holds all Intellectual property rights to them not you. The bottom line is, by the law, according to the ELUA you have no rights to the creations made with the editing kit. Only Bungie/MS does. They just don’t exercise those rights very often as they did with Halogen.

You can rail about it, call it unfair, kick and scream but by installing and using the software you agreed to it. And that is what would stand up in court.

With Halo CE you are given freedom thus are excluded from much of the IP legislation. They could not go after someone if a person created using CE; H2 levels/content. Now they could ask sites not to host the content but in the end it would not stand up in court. They would have no power to stop the user for making the H2 content as long as it was from scratch. They made the means to make custom content thus they are in many ways giving up some of their power to the users.

This is the truth of the issue.

its obvious wombat581 just wants to get banned..look at what it says under his avatar.

LOL, I will be glad to stack up my $175.00 an hour attorney fees against your assumptions any day. I am guessing that you haven't even read the ELUA (End User License Agreement) becasue if you had you would see that nowhere in the agreement does Bungie/Microsoft relinquish any rights to the Halo IP. As a matter of fact it implicitly strengthens the IP rights within the copyright statement:

Your presumption of the "truth of the issue" does not actually match the reality of the situation. Because if it did then by your logic Microsoft would not have been able to issue a "cease and desist" order to the Halogen team nor would they be able to prevent a Halo Machinima to produce, sell and distribute DVD's of their shows. Ask "This Spartan Life" about that issue and how long it took to get Microsoft's approval for him to create the Spike TV web spots (He still can't sell DVD's). So far ONLY RVB has obtained a full release. You can not mistake the lack of enforcement or apparent disregard with the absolution of their rights to the Halo IP. After all the Halo IP is Microsoft Game studios largent and most profitable franchise and one of Microsoft

Just so you know as a software developer and small business owner whose primary work is involved with Intellectual Property issues, I actually did do the research and consult with my law firm on this and many other issues involving IP rights and copyright. I suggest you do the same before you represent your opinion as "the truth".

Dennis there is still no way they could stop a user from making H2 content with Halo CE. In fact people have already created H2 content..some you can find on halomaps.org. This goes to show you that Bungie and Microsoft are concerned or are not able to go after makers of H2 content on Halo CE. Courts would not be on Bungie's nor Microsoft's side if they tried to sue someone for making H2 content.

As long as the H2 content was within CE..IE a total conversion they could do nothing.

And Dennis it seems to me you're talking about your profession to try and impress people. I do not care if you call yourself an Attorney as i have no way of believing you. Nor can I in my right mind take anything you say about your profession seriously. Too many people try to bring up things like that when in a debate..lets cut the bull and leave your so called profession out of the mix.

You are operating from a very basic misconception. You do not own the software used to create Halo content and you have no legal rights over any Halo content regardless of how it was created. Microsoft owns all the rights to everything Halo regardless of how it was created. Because they own the rights to everything Halo they absolutely CAN exercise those rights in anyway they wish: Including stopping people, via lawsuits, from creating H2 content.

You are assuming that because they have NOT stopped anyone from creating H2 content it means that they do not have a right to stop people. And that is a misconception. Legally they have the right to stop anyone creating anything Halo. The just choose not to because the benefit of having people create content far outweighs the potential backlash of exerting strict control over their Intellectual Property.

Since Microsoft owns the rights to everything Halo then the opposite is the case. The courts would side heavily with Microsoft on any actionable lawsuit. It is highly doubtful that Microsoft would actually bring a suit unless the content was damaging in some way but that does not mean that they give up the right to do so.

Once again you have missed the point. From the outset of this conversation it has been obvious that you have absolutely no background or experience in Intellectual Property issues and your misunderstanding of the ramifications of the ELUA, which I am still guessing you have not fully read or understood, has led you to make erroneous statements. In my "profession" I actually have had to investigate and deal with the IP and Copyright issues and though no expert and never once did I even suggest that I was an attorney, I know enough to explain to you your misconceptions.
Explaining that I am the owner of UXB Internet the company that developed and owns all of the Halo Maps websites is a simple way of qualifying my statements and is a way to attest to their veracity.

As the owner of a website design and development company dealing with copyrighted content, and I am not referring to these gaming websites but to the my clients content, I have had the need and occasion to consult with our retained law firm about these issues in the past. In December of 2004 when I started the game websites I specifically asked our lawyers about the Intellectual Property rights issue of us hosting custom created content and the short story is simple: Microsoft owns it all regardless of where or who made it or how. If its Halo related legally they own it and control it. Period.

The Halogen cease and desist order is a perfect example of Microsoft's control of its Intellectual Property and directly refutes you assertion that they can not stop someone.

If you don't believe me, that's fine I can't make you, however, do the research or consult with an actual legal authority and you will see; Because until you can offer precedent for your assumptions I will be more than happy to continue correcting your misconceptions.

all i can say to that is at least im not cutting people down when i disagree with them. We are here to get along Bacon not call each other names. If you feel the need to try and bring people down in a debate then so be it.

Bacon why are you suggesting that i dislike Dennis, if indeed you are suggesting that. Correct me if i took you wrong.

We are indeed very lucky to have an active admin like Dennis. I have been on countless forums where the admins are not active and really throw their weight around. Just cause i am in a debate with Dennis do not mistake that for disrespect. Dennis is a great admin and the fact that he is willing to debate in a cilivised manner and not ban someone for disagreeing with him..that to me is very respectable. Becon please cut the degrading comments, i do not mind if you do not agree with my point but i would grealy enjoy you not to throw out insults.

I would also like to see proff of him doing his idea for a conversion as well. I do not believe or think it's going to happen but if he is indeed working on it i agree with Bacon i would like to see evidence.

lol with what, what computer you gona get i have alienware...hahahaha sry had to laf