Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
^This. Community's continuously gotten worse and worse. Now, it's a place where people show no respect for others, not only by ripping, but by using all means possible to get what they want.

Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
I've never said tags were all that they wanted.

Quote: --- Original message by: Nexus Halo
Sigh, why must we always have this conversation? It's a no brainer, Rippers are idiots and Creators are skilled. That may sound immature but it's true, people who rip either aren't smart enough to learn themselves or too damn lazy to learn. We're lucky we have people who still make content because if we didn't we would just have rippers ripping each others maps that we're ripped before.

Quote: --- Original message by: Nexus Halo
Sigh, why must we always have this conversation? It's a no brainer, Rippers are idiots and Creators are skilled. That may sound immature but it's true, people who rip either aren't smart enough to learn themselves or too damn lazy to learn. We're lucky we have people who still make content because if we didn't we would just have rippers ripping each others maps that we're ripped before.

Quote: --- Original message by: Nexus Halo
It's not as if when people make tutorials they leave out stuff like that. If someone wants to look at the tags I know the author would rather send them the single tag instead of having the person rip all of their work.

Quote: --- Original message by: Polamee
Why is it that in the past 3 threads about protection, the same argument on the ethics of ripping tags has popped up, in a new form each time?

Quote: --- Original message by: Polamee
Why is it that in the past 3 threads about protection, the same argument on the ethics of ripping tags has popped up, in a new form each time?

Honestly, I support the rippers. Sure, the tags are people's hard work, and they've put lots of effort into it, but its just a damn game! Yes, I'm using this argument. Unless you plan to become a professional game designer and you take everything in HCE seriously, your 'hard work' should not be of great importance to you. If it is, then seriously, 'get a life'.

Besides, what loss do you suffer from people ripping tags from your map? Perhaps the tags get used in one or two of their own maps, or perhaps even released publicly. And some noobs might use the tags in some random Blood Gulch mod that will never be recognised as most experienced mappers know that he ripped the tags.

xsonder argues that ripping, and using the ripped tags in maps, is just a big banner to say "hey! I'm a lazy a*****, and I don't bother to create my own tags!" Some people, such as myself, lack sufficient resources and time to create these tags, so instead I use ripped tags from protected maps to fulfill the primary purpose of mapmaking: to entertain. Which brings me to my next point.

The main point of mapmaking is to enntertain. Its not a competition on who can create the most complex maps, but the most fun to fight in. Thus I use ripped tags to create a better experience for players.






note- this is what I said. "The work we put into our art is time consuming and personal. The term Ripping means "rip off" another persons hard work. If you have an open map, knock yourselves out but when you hack encrypted,, that just shows some assh*%le went out of his way and put more effort into being a thiief then trying to be a creator"

This is not an argument.
If lazy is the response than read my responses agian.
Takes effort and time to learn ripping. If half that energy was devoted to the actual work, People would'ent have to rip, they would already have what they need. I also talked about courtesy, and ,I also said this is microsofts and bungies stuff. The artist should lock his maps if he feels. This is why that option is there. We all love making maps and sharing or Ideas and once it's out there ,hey, it's to the people.
I skip locked tags simpley because I know how long and how much thought go behind the work, I did not use to think that way until I really started trying to build my own thing. NOT EASY.
Last thought and I'm done in this one.
Some of use don't sit behind the screen all day, some are in school learning animation and computer science, like my son, as well as alot of others here, some of use are diabled (med retire) and don't have much elese, cuase leaving this home would be death for me so, raising my boys and game mapping, animation are my life now. Point is, if you don't know someone don't assume. Peace bro and lets all get along. Rip all you like we'll keep making more.
Edited by xsnoder on Jan 2, 2010 at 03:00 PM